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John Lear is Agent Condor - CIA?

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posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
How 'bout just asking John straight out...........John are you presently working in any way, shape, or form for the CIA?

Peace


As if he will really answer that truthfully




posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Hey, but it gives us a starting point.


Sometimes the best way is just to ask the simplest question.

Peace



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love




How 'bout just asking John straight out...........John are you presently working in any way, shape, or form for the CIA?

Peace





No. In no way, shape or form. My last load of arms was out of Athens, Greece to Johannesburg. October 22, 1981. Interesting date. Look it up.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Hey John, I've heard there's an old saying in the CIA which is something like "Once CIA, always CIA", what say you about that?

Peace



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love




Hey John, I've heard there's an old saying in the CIA which is something like "Once CIA, always CIA", what say you about that?

Peace




I don't think that is true for guys that just flew contract flights.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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No. In no way, shape or form. My last load of arms was out of Athens, Greece to Johannesburg. October 22, 1981. Interesting date. Look it up.


Anything to do with The Seychelles affair?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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hehe poor john
Although I think he kind of enjoys this sometimes.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by tomra
Very interesting, thanks for posting!

If there exists such a list as "top ten people to be discredited" i would expect John Lear to be on it. He obviously tries very hard to maintain his reputation among the "ufo_masses" as a tad nutty because as long as the comunity reads what he says without giving him too much credit he remains safe.

Assuming his "wild" theories regarding secret space flights, bases on the moon etc. is true, the minute people really start to pay attention in numbers he becomes dangerous and so forth closer to termination or serious discrediting.

Just thinking out loud here but i would be very surprised if serious attempts at discrediting him will NOT take place. Should be considered in the context of the posted article. Personally i don´t know what to think and whatever John add´s to this thread is probably not gonna help much in finding the truth either. Few believe his theories regarding the moon so why should anything else he presents be true.


This was more along the lines of what I was thinking, as well. I've weighed it all in my mind, trying to come up with a reasonable answer to why he would lie about things like advanced tech and moon civilization, and there's no logical, political, scientific or social reason that would be so pressing as to require lies in this instance. Alot of what he discusses is what we would commonly refer to as hearsay - he knows alot of astronauts and big wigs in the industry, personally, and they've confided to him, off the record. How does moon civilization effect our culture in a way that would require disinfo of the magnitude referred to here?

Use deductive reasoning.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
No. In no way, shape or form. My last load of arms was out of Athens, Greece to Johannesburg. October 22, 1981. Interesting date. Look it up.


What is the function of Athens, Greece? I would like to know for personal reasons.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:07 PM
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Lear could well believe himself and others, but i believe it to be a huge operation, on/off since the 40s to completely discredit UFO research circles..
I believe Lear is basing all his findings on purposeful wrong information, that went towards making the UFO scene become tarnished by ridicule for all time.
I also believe it serves a second purpose to create fear into peoples minds, to destroy people by inflicting Paranoia and other negative phsychological issues..
Look what happened to the guy who told Lear...
I think people should consider the safety of their minds and i also believe that people have to be responsible for what they say, no matter what the disclaimer.

Bill Moore says, "I know that this whole body of information is false, be-
cause I was in a position to observe much of the disinformation process as it unfolded. And I can tell you it was effective, because I watched Paul become systematically more paranoid and more emotionally unstable as he tried to assimilate what was happening to him. He had guns and knives all over his house, had installed extra locks on his doors, and he swore that `they' (meaning the aliens) were coming through his walls at night and injecting him with hideous chemicals which would knock him out for long periods of time. He began to suffer increasing bouts of insomnia.

I knew at that time that he was not far from an inevitable nervous collapse. His health had deteriorated, he had lost considerable weight, his hands shook as if from palsy, and he looked terrible. I tried to counsel him to drop the entire UFO thing before his health was completely destroyed. Not long afterward I heard he had been hospitalized and was under psychiatric care."


The disinformation campaign was also effective because it insured that no one in the mainstream media or scientific community would pay any attention to the outlandish claims that Paul Bennewitz made. Thus the elements of truth that were conatained in his experiments became lost to the public forever.






[edit on 30-6-2007 by Fowl Play]



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:35 PM
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This is complete and utter non sense.

You guys are telling me that John Lear who randomly met Bob Lazar while having his house appraised was all along working for the CIA? The same John Lear who broke the Area 51 story with Bob Lazar and George Knapp? Do you think a CIA agent would take part in revealing such a huge secret as Area 51 was?

This is just stupid. John is not a dis info agent for the CIA besides if he was he surely isn't doing a great job at it. I mean if I was working for the CIA on ways to spread dis info I would do the whole Isaac thing and confuse people so much that they didn't know what was true if anything.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 03:02 PM
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I believe Mr. Lear to be telling the truth. A man with such a strong background wouldn't tarnish his reputation with lies.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 03:40 PM
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I listened to john lear 12 part radio interview on coast to coast off youtube.
No offence john but there is a reasonable doubt in my mind as to some of your theories about the gas giants and the outer planets being all habited
by alien life forms, who are like us. You claim there are 600 000 000 people living underground on mars and that they are advanced in technology just like us, do you have thing to support this claims.
You said that there is a civilisation on the other side of the moon, and this civilisation is very advanced. I believe this is a possibilty.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:08 PM
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i believe john lear is a string of text and sound bytes. like the rest of us.
we are all stuck in the android meme's artificial reality. it's a hard lesson even when you know it's true.

the 'android meme' is the collective effect of all media throughout history. it interacts with itself, a lot, kinda like a round table of yes men.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by DJMessiah
I believe Mr. Lear to be telling the truth. A man with such a strong background wouldn't tarnish his reputation with lies.


I agree but then again John is only human and there is a thing called "ufo sickness". John certainly is in a position prone to catch it as he gets a lot of attention in the "ufo field".

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John, have you catched the "ufo sickness"?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:22 PM
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Hmm after reading all..leaves me the question..

How do we know or not know that the ones calling someone else out as "dis info" isn't the "dis info agent" themselves?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Dr Love




How 'bout just asking John straight out...........John are you presently working in any way, shape, or form for the CIA?

Peace





No. In no way, shape or form. My last load of arms was out of Athens, Greece to Johannesburg. October 22, 1981. Interesting date. Look it up.


Interesting date indeed. That was shortly after the last time it snowed in Johannesburg... it just snowed again for the first time since.

Shall I roll out the welcome mat?


What, pray tell, were you up to in Joburg?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 05:19 PM
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I'm curoius to know that if, as John has stated, the solar system is teeming with life much more advanced that us (yet they are humanoid), why have they chosen to neglected there obviously 'dark age' brethren?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 05:35 PM
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Personally, I don't believe a word John says about mars, the moon, and other planets teeming with advanced extra-terrestrial civilizations.

And the 'soul-catcher'? ......



But I do think that he is possibly right when he says that HUMANS have been travelling back and forth to mars, etc, for the past 40 years without anyone knowing about it.


That sounds credible.


But these are just my personal beliefs. And I would be interested if John offered up more substantial proofs of his claim, rather than just his word.


I don't think that John is a C.I.A disinfo agent. I see him more as expounding his own personal beliefs in a lot of what he says, much like David Icke.

Sorry, John. Don't mean to offend you in any way. But real, concrete evidence would help


[edit on 30-6-2007 by Old Man]



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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Hearing John Lear's interview on Youtube, with his amazingly incredible claims, was what actually brought me here to ATS two weeks ago. I've found lots and lots of information on this website and visited many of the outgoing links, thanks everyone.

I also transcribed Dr. Michio Kaku's video on theories of the multiverse.
ATS posting on Michio Kaku
In those "multiverse" realities, it would be possible to have many different "outlandish" (e.g. bases on the moon) things happen.




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