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Originally posted by WhiteOneActual
If you don't have the training to fix it on the fly, it isn't much use in combat. All you need is to kick down a door and have the thing jam up and not know how to clear it.
Its just good fun.
You would be amazed at what soldiers (or anyone for that matter) will do when they're bored. Mounting some kit on an old machine gun is childsplay. Just some boys with a new toy. Likely as not a few guys took turns at target practice until they ran out of ammo and turned it in to be destroyed or shipped to some museum somewhere.
If they did keep it I would bet they would be more likely to use it as a "drop weapon" than actually fire it at someone. If you don't have the training to fix it on the fly, it isn't much use in combat. All you need is to kick down a door and have the thing jam up and not know how to clear it.
It's a little hard to imagine the Soviets developed a jam-prone weapon in the height of WWII. The design team would be immediately executed by the Stalin regime if there was a slightest hint of that.
Also, if somebody is willing to tell me the deal with the caliber. I remember the few of these babies I cleaned were 9mm standard ammo. Not conversions. Now I learn about 7.62x25. Wow.
Originally posted by iskander
You have never fired a gun, and I bet you don’t even know what forward assists (sic) is, and why PPsh does not need one.
Army 1896 Mauser was chambered for 7.62X25, while the currently standard 9X19 derived from the less powerful police round, 9mm Kurtz.
The C96 Mauser was originally designed for the 7.63x25 mm Mauser cartridge NOT the 7.62x25mm Tokarev.
Army 1896 Mauser was chambered for 7.62X25
TT-33, cutaway diagram
Chambering: 7.62x25mm TT (7.63 mm Mauser)
One of the most popular foreign handguns, purchased in numbers during 1920s, was the famous Mauser C96, and the Red Army really liked its powerful 7.63mm cartridge, which, in slightly modified form ,selected for its future pistol of domestic design.
There has been much (and often acrimonious) debate concerning the advisability of
firing milsurp 7.62x25 ammunition in a C96. The simple truth is that most 7.62x25 will
feed and fire in a C96, and much of it is within the pressure of the 7.63 Mauser. But
some 7.62x25 milsurp *is* too hot for a C96, or even a Tokarev (the Czech loading of
the 7.62x25 for their Vz-52 pistol is one example of such a cartridge).
and the 9x19 was derived from the 7.65mm Luger Parabellum NOT the 9mm Kurtz.
while the currently standard 9X19 derived from the less powerful police round, 9mm Kurtz.
Originally posted by iskander
My bad, naturally I meant that Kurtz derived as a less powerful police round from 9X19 to 9X17 in the standard issue Walther ppk, or Polizeipistole Kriminellmodell.