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all canadas highways an railways to be shutdown june 29th

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posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 10:05 PM
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my bad, regarding the personal attack against the retards.......oh man - no offense against any real retards





posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 11:09 PM
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Cynic my comment wasn't referring to your post but the use of terrorist to describe today's protests. There were mostly peaceful protests today. I actually agree with you about Shawn Brant. I don't agree with his methods at all.

I also agree with you about the money being put into the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Most of the problem's our First Nations people face is because of the gross mismanagement of this money. And yes, the states would operate like that. The low estimates I've heard about missing money in the Defence Department is 1 trillion, the high end 10 trillion. We can't compete with that but we are trying.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
Cynic my comment wasn't referring to your post but the use of terrorist to describe today's protests. There were mostly peaceful protests today. I actually agree with you about Shawn Brant. I don't agree with his methods at all.

I also agree with you about the money being put into the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Most of the problem's our First Nations people face is because of the gross mismanagement of this money. And yes, the states would operate like that. The low estimates I've heard about missing money in the Defence Department is 1 trillion, the high end 10 trillion. We can't compete with that but we are trying.





Thanks, I was beginning to think that I was totally mad. Instead, I was simply pissed off....LOL

Truly, the entire debacle is a sad reflection of both sides inability to see the forest for the trees. Most Canadians that I know are in favor of fair play. But we are tired of the sham that has been perpetuated on us as well! For all the billions sunk into this issue, what has either side got to show for it? SFA, that's what!

It's time for accountability. Real change cannot be accomplished any other way. I am of the opinion that some Natives actually favor the status quo, because if the problem was resolved, they might actually need to do something productive with their lives. (Read idiots like Brant)



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by reptilianslayer
hey all im from six nations ontario right beside caledonia where all this protest about the land settlement claims have come from six-nations is the largest reserve in all of canada there have been no set in stone solution yet after all thesse months not only has that errupt ATF alchol tobacco and firearm police are in six nations ontario to come down on natives who have firearms an sell tobacco for living tobacco is are econmy right now its the work for over half the reserve i see with thesse 2 issues just a hole lot of drama an anger and harsh behavior comming soon .. hope it dosent come into the army comming down .. things will get real ugly ill keep you all updated since im right where things started an errupted an will probably be the very first blockade in caledonia again


I live in ontario myself and honestly this has gone way past the tipping point. The government isn't doing anything to resolve the situation. It's almost as if they think the problem will go away on its own.



[edit on 30-6-2007 by leafer]



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 09:29 AM
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The problem is who do we hold accountable? This systematic abuse of funds has been going on for a long time. I'm sure that in the past, and present, there are a select few getting rather wealthy from the lack of openness. I mean we would have to scrutinise every politician and band council member from the last 50-75 years. And it doesn't seem that Harper is interested in facing this problem head on. The Native community only makes up about 3-4% of the population of the country so they don't have the voting power to give him his majority. But I agree Cynic, it needs to start now. There also needs to be some independant inquiries into where all the money has gone. As taxpayers of this country, that is our money that is missing and I think we have the right to know where it went and why. Since 2000, thats approx. 60 billion dollars spent with no discernible progress made on most of the issues facing Natives today.


I've looked at this morning's news and can't find any mention of Brant turning himself over to the OPP. He said that he would at midnight Friday after his"protests" were over. Anybody find a link?



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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you call them terrorist because they are shutting down vital infrastructure i.e. the highways and railways. why are they doing this is it because their shamans are telling them that great grandfather spirit says do this to white man because his way is wrong no its because the GOVERMENT is threatning their lively hood so they won't be able to feed their children



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by proteus33
you call them terrorist because they are shutting down vital infrastructure i.e. the highways and railways. why are they doing this is it because their shamans are telling them that great grandfather spirit says do this to white man because his way is wrong no its because the GOVERMENT is threatning their lively hood so they won't be able to feed their children



I'm sorry you feel that way. The problem here is that we have a failure to communicate. Mr. Brant flouted the orders of his own Grand Chief, and shut down the railroad and the 401 Any normal person would be in jail for that, or worse, dead on the side of the road because someone ran them over!

The governemnt is NOT THREATENING anything. There is no livelihood for them to lose, they have no jobs! What we are asking for is a straight forward accounting of the money that's been spent. 10 billion per year for several million people goes a long way to eliminating poverty, fixing water supplies, and constructing decent accomodations. So tell me just WTF they are doing with it? Building casinos???

This subject is contentious, and for every comment about someone's Great Grandfathers' spirit, there is another about fully developed land, with new homes on it, that has been occupied as Native owned. The trouble is, there is no compensation to landowners and they are essentially screwed over. Why did the First Nations wait until the property was completed in Caledonia before they took it over? There is somethign equally not fair about that process is there?

Where does it stop?? As the famous line goes in Jerry MacGuire "Show me the money!"



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 12:24 PM
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Ah the term 'terrorist' means nothing anymore does it? When people can claim their neighbors to be terrorists depending on what property they own, and their will to keep it.

No, these guys aren't terrorists. Maybe if they took a hostage or two... then we can start calling them terrorists. Right now they are negotiators, who have clearly been backed into a corner.

We do need to settle this, and we do need to settle it diplomatically. This is what Canada is, a free nation, where we are all permitted to voice our concerns.
We Canadians are proud of existing for so long without having to wage war with our own Citizens. To me, Canada really began when the British and French decided to co-operate, instead of continue fighting... then we watched the US try to break off from Britain, they even tried to bring us down with them, but we prevailed through Co-operation between the British, French, AND Natives. Meanwhile, neighbor vs neighbor war was going on below the border.
Then they did it again. lol.

No, if we want to continue to feel proud about calling ourselves Canadian, we must settle this diplomatically.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by johnsky
Ah the term 'terrorist' means nothing anymore does it? When people can claim their neighbors to be terrorists depending on what property they own, and their will to keep it.


Johnsky, I was the guilty one that said "terrorist". I posted before educating myself on the subject. Now that I am up to speed I am ashamed for using that term. I am sorry for offending the good people in this forum and pledge to do better in the future. Keep us updated on this issue because the US news is not reporting it to clearly. Thanks again.......



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 01:15 PM
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Johnsky, are you smoking something in an extremley small teepee?
Brant and his followers ARE terrorists as defined by Wikipedia -

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or the perception or threat of imminent violence. Terrorism expert Walter Laqueur, in 1999, counted over 100 definitions and concluded that the "only general characteristic generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence". Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target "non-combatants".

I think that definition is accurate given they were blocking public roadways, and railways and that he reminded the media the police should not interfere because they were armed. Canadians, unlike Americans, don't use weapons on a regular basis to back disputes.

If you are, as you describe yourself, a writer, perhaps you could research your topic better in the future. Enjoy the long weekend!






posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering

Originally posted by AccessDenied
your alcohol jokes are not appreciated.


Who's joking, Canada has the best beer ever. I just did discovered this too.



[edit on 28-6-2007 by ConstantlyWondering]


your kidding right?


We Germans still make the best beer on earth.

back to Topic: Lets hope this goes through peacefully as the Natives do have a right as it is their land, about time the Goivernment settled the dispute.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Fett Pinkus


your kidding right?


We Germans still make the best beer on earth.

back to Topic: Lets hope this goes through peacefully as the Natives do have a right as it is their land, about time the Goivernment settled the dispute.


I hope that the situation gets resolved quickly and in favor of the Natives. This has gone on for to long. I would be livid if my families burial ground was used for a golf course.

ALSO: Fett, I need your input about beer on this thread---> www.belowtopsecret.com...'

Your input would be welcome their, thanks.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
your kidding right?


We Germans still make the best beer on earth.

back to Topic: Lets hope this goes through peacefully as the Natives do have a right as it is their land, about time the Goivernment settled the dispute.


He is right, being a Canadian, I have no shame in saying the Germans make FAR superior beer than we do.


The Americans want to drink Canadian beer... Canadians want to drink German beer... for the most part.



posted on Jun, 30 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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My fellow Canadians.. I'm a longtime lurker here but I just HAVE to butt in.

You have forgotten the bigger picture. You are so focussed here on one little band somewhere in Ontario(?).

Please don't forget that ALL of the native land claims in Canada amount to claiming 110% of Canada. Yes, I mean 110%. This means that the natives themselves can't agree to who owns what.

Have these people in Caledonia really proven their case? Or is it still in the courts? Is this band trying to force the issue, thinking that we will capitulate just to shut them up?

What do you suppose will happen should all the land be settled amongst the natives? Where do you suppose the rest of us are going to live? And we've all heard of the excessive 'land use' fees that are imposed on people who have lived in areas for many years.. We have cases here in BC where trailer pad rentals went from $300 a month to over $3000 a month after the natives won their case. I am not convinced of the altruism of the natives saying that nothing will change.

I apologize if I have offended people. I can go back to lurking...



posted on Jul, 1 2007 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Cynic
(1) Johnsky, are you smoking something in an extremley small teepee?
Brant and his followers ARE terrorists as defined by Wikipedia - ....

(2)....Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or the perception or threat of imminent violence..... Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target "non-combatants".


1 - Ahhh, Scopenhaur's 38th is alive and well I see. Bill O'Biley - is that you ?

2 - Anyways, by that definition of 'terrorist' it appears that all the 'civilized' governments fall into that category too, as well as the isreali crowd.....I guess that is true enough though, so that's a moot point on my part.

But personally I shudder when people cite Wikepedia as a source, for it appears to be a 'dictionary' based upon public opinion - ie, anyone, it seems, can go in and edit it - and public opinion has proven to be not a very good criteria of what 'truth' actually is, as far as I know any 'truth' to be anyway.

Oh ya, I don't think I ever met a beer I didn't like.......

[edit on 1-7-2007 by effinlunatic]



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