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all canadas highways an railways to be shutdown june 29th

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posted on Jun, 28 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering
When 2% of the population tries to stop 100% of the commerce in Canada = terrorism

case closed.

Time for military action to prevent terrorist and save the rest of Canada and the USA from their threats. I am proud to be fighting the good fight that stands up for freedom RockPuck. I am sorry you feel like personally attacking me but I won't ignore you. You seem to be well versed and studied no matter how much we disagree. And Guiness is aweful. Try a Canadian Blue Moon. It has a great fruity aftertaste.
Sorry I tried to be nice, but you can get off your soapbox now.And your alcohol jokes are not appreciated.If you can't take this matter seriously, move on.The Six Nations are not terrorists.At present they are protesting in one area, not 100% of Canada.You clearly do not understand what is going on nor do you wish to learn.These people are no threat to the US.They want their own land not to take over yours.All they want is the rights we took away many years ago.Maybe in the US you deal with this kind of situation differently, I don't know.However, not everyone is a terrorist.




posted on Jun, 28 2007 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
your alcohol jokes are not appreciated.


Who's joking, Canada has the best beer ever. I just did discovered this too.

But back to the thread. "all canadas highways an railways to be shutdown june 29th"-----Not to be allowed. This is a terrorist threat that must be stopped. I will stand up for your country event if you don't because I love Canadian products. If these terrorist shutdown the railways that bring those products to me and my people we will suffer and that CANNOT be allowed. I am sorry AccessDenied if you are offended by my point of view and I sincerly hope you accept my apology. I am not attacking you.


[edit on 28-6-2007 by ConstantlyWondering]



posted on Jun, 28 2007 @ 08:09 PM
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Ok so apparently the only thing you are worried about is your supply of Canadian alcohol being blocked?
That is what offends me.This issue is not about our exports of products to the US.It is not the route from Toronto to Niagara Falls that is being blocked, but Toronto to Ottawa and Montreal.It is the route from Toronto through my city that is being affected.It is the tractor trailors carrying my food that will be detained.I want a quick end to this.In fact I wish our government had settled this long ago.For land claims to still be an issue is ridiculous.Our government needs to stop dragging this out.Of course I don't believe violence and threats are the answer.Do you have any suggestions on how better the Natives could get their issues noticed? Protesting in front of Queens Park does Nothing but get you Arrested.

[edit on 28-6-2007 by AccessDenied]



posted on Jun, 28 2007 @ 08:34 PM
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Access my friend!

I see you've been quite busy over here in this thread! You're holding your own quite well. Good for you.


I've been keeping up with this topic, not only throughout the day in here, but ever since the news first aired "Crisis in Caladonia" when it first started. I'm in Burlington, and we get the CH11 news from Hamilton.

Let me try to set people straight here.

READ my lips...Native Americans are NOT terrorists.

People just cannot lump Natives into one stereotyping catagory by saying: 'You're with Canada, or not', 'governments way or the highway' or better yet bring up some ludicrous assumption that the brewing industries will fail miserably based upon important events in Caledonia. How the heck does booze tie into this? Gee whiz...*sigh*

I would encourage people to hold their tongue until they've done adequate research into this 'delicate matter' that Access aptly pointed out.

It's misconceptions about the legal title surrounding the Grand River area that is being focussed on - between Crown and Natives.

Let's do our homework and not provide ANY more misconceptions in here.

We all need to put out the fire's of contention on both sides. Either we are holding a can of gasoline or a pitcher of water over the whole matter.



posted on Jun, 28 2007 @ 08:51 PM
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The word terrorist has been used in this thread openly, and improperly.

Members of the First Nations communities, represented by Phil Fontaine DO NOT SUPPORT the actions of the lone Mohawk Shawn Brant. They are actively engaged in discussions with the federal government, and recently agreed to a new and independant board to expedite land claim issues.

The so-called warrior Shawn Brant however, is nothing more than a domestic terrorist, inciting a small number of his followers to commit acts of agression disguised as "being heard" or "being noticed" or some such bullsh*t.

His methods are unacceptable, and he is going to find out that the rest of our great country are sick and tired of the whining and bitching he and his are perpetrating in the name of aboriginal rights.

He can block the rail lines, and plug the 401 with children and school buses all he likes, but in the end, his own people will see him as a coward, and a loser, setting back Native rights another fifty years.

BTW, if a school bus is parked across the tracks, and a 200 ton locomotive is driven at a speed of 10 km per hour, into t, my money is on the train every time.

Bring it Bryant, the rest of us are waiting.




posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 05:41 AM
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Thanks for your contribution Duckster.Needed a bit of Clarification here.

[edit on 29-6-2007 by AccessDenied]



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 05:50 AM
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Here is an update from the Toronto Star this Morning- www.thestar.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 06:52 AM
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Another update with images from CTV- www.ctv.ca...



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 08:26 AM
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Today's actions are by no means terrorism. Note that all blockades are on corridors going through reserves. The point being made is not "look what we did", it's "look what we could do". It's saying that the natives are not quite as impotent we comfortably suppose And Brant? OPP wants him for mischief. Ohh, scary stuff...guess they're not quite as worried about the flow of Canadian beer as some of our posters. Good thing they have the guns instead of our pal Constantly Wondering. Good thing Fantino is smarter than Harris, too.

It's a one-day pain in the butt...if we start paying attention to what should be a no-brainer. Indians are getting screwed, and are entitled to the same (relatively) good health and opportunites as the rest of us. Period. I know I'm not boiling my water...



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
Here is an update from the Toronto Star this Morning- www.thestar.com...


Finally a link to study the matter. Do you have anymore links that could provide me insite into this matter? I won't make anymore assumptions until I have read what you read and know what you know because frankly I haven't been provided with material that would make me second guess myself. Please help me understand...........

How about it JohnnyCanuck? Why can't you bring me up to speed with some educational links rather than cheap insults. The both of you are better than that. Let's try to be better ATS people......


[edit on 29-6-2007 by ConstantlyWondering]



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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The OP's thread title is grossly exaggerated. Let me clarify:

ONE barricade has been put up on ONE section of ONE Canadian Highway.
ONE additional barricade is present on ONE section of a CN Railway.

This in no way is going to shut our country down. But may open a few eyes in Ottawa.

The Natives in Six Nations are NOT terrorists. They have been oppressed and their rights have been ignored for too many years by the Canadian Government. This is a desparate measure on their part to try to remedy their situation.

I have also noticed that the only people crying "Terrorist!" in this thread so far have been from south of our borders. I don't believe anyone in Canada feels threatened by this, or feels that Six Nations is in any way a terrorist organization.

Yahoo news update:
External Link

--Edit by EvolutionEvil-- Correction -It was a CN Railway (Not a VIA as originally posted)

[edit on 6/29/2007 by EvolutionEvil]



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by EvolutionEvil

--Edit by EvolutionEvil-- Correction -It was a CN Railway (Not a VIA as originally posted)


I agree with your sentiments but it is VIA service being cancelled...whether that is the passenger end of the CNR, I'm not sure, but VIA is definately shut down from Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa.



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 11:31 AM
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Wow, so much ignorance in this thread.
I suppose native americans in the U.S. running casinos are terrorist too?
Lets Kill them all!!
But seriously, I hope they settle this with the Canadians. Natives in north america have been unjustly supressed too long



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by EvolutionEvil

--Edit by EvolutionEvil-- Correction -It was a CN Railway (Not a VIA as originally posted)


I agree with your sentiments but it is VIA service being cancelled...whether that is the passenger end of the CNR, I'm not sure, but VIA is definately shut down from Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa.


Agreed. I was referring to the Railway itself which is why I made the correction. VIA is definitely affected - you are correct.

On a side note - but definitely related, there are other Native protests going on in other parts of Canada this weekend as well. So far peaceful ...

External Link - Maritime Aboriginal Protests (Yahoo! News)

and this is VERY interesting. Apparently the City of Toronto ferry service to Toronto island airport is being closed today for 1 hour in support of the Aboriginal day of action. This is happening as a result of a peaceful request from Six Nations.

Yahoo! News Link - Toronto island ferry service disruption



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering

Originally posted by AccessDenied
your alcohol jokes are not appreciated.


Who's joking, Canada has the best beer ever. I just did discovered this too.

But back to the thread. "all canadas highways an railways to be shutdown june 29th"-----Not to be allowed. This is a terrorist threat that must be stopped. I will stand up for your country event if you don't because I love Canadian products. If these terrorist shutdown the railways that bring those products to me and my people we will suffer and that CANNOT be allowed. I am sorry AccessDenied if you are offended by my point of view and I sincerly hope you accept my apology. I am not attacking you.


[edit on 28-6-2007 by ConstantlyWondering]


Sounds to me like your more intrested in your metereal things than human rights...
For one they have every right to protest, the government wants to keep pushing the deal asside then thats fine, the natives will do what they feel they need to do to be heard, and guess what they are being heard now.
So what you call terrorism, is just a slap in another mans face for his right to freedom.
I agree with the natives and i hope they get there land back and whatever else they deserve to have. They never gave up there land it was taken from them.



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 12:07 PM
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Not everyone reading this thread will understand what the issues are. I encourage those of you who know more about this to post links to some of the history and some of the "players" involved in the protest.

I found this recent article that details some of the bad blood between the two groups of Native American protestors:
www.edmontonsun.com...

My sympathies are with the Native Americans. As with here in the United States, they have tried for many years to bring issues to the government and to force the government to uphold the treaties that they (the government) forced the Native Americans to sign. Historically (here in America), state governments would decide Native American issues in secret council and pass laws that were not discussed in any referendum where the Native Americans could attend (California -- the whole scandal broke in the 1930's or so.)

Anyway, could you who know more about this please post some links for the rest of the folks?

Thanks.



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
Not everyone reading this thread will understand what the issues are. I encourage those of you who know more about this to post links to some of the history and some of the "players" involved in the protest.

I found this recent article that details some of the bad blood between the two groups of Native American protestors:
www.edmontonsun.com...

My sympathies are with the Native Americans. As with here in the United States, they have tried for many years to bring issues to the government and to force the government to uphold the treaties that they (the government) forced the Native Americans to sign. Historically (here in America), state governments would decide Native American issues in secret council and pass laws that were not discussed in any referendum where the Native Americans could attend (California -- the whole scandal broke in the 1930's or so.)

Anyway, could you who know more about this please post some links for the rest of the folks?

Thanks.


Thank you for the insight and the link. If you have more it would be appreciated.



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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I think that the tone of the OP is what made our American friend here to bring "terrorism" into the equation. I do not agree with the way the OP stated his ideas, but that’s another matter.
That being said, I am also a Canadian (like most posters on this thread), and I also do not see this protest as an act of terrorism.
Call me stupid Canadian, but this is what I feel. I agree the issue needed to be settled long time ago, and the only one at fault here is our lame government.
I hope we can stay civilized about all this and bring it to a peaceful end to the satisfaction of both parties.
I have friends among Native Canadians, and let state the over-stated again: they are NOT terrorists.



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Blockade is now over (as of 11:00 am EST)

external link - Yahoo! News

I also just heard that the leader of the group of Natives who conducted the blockade, Shawn Brant, has a warrant out for his arrest by the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP). He is considering turning himself in after midnight tonight.

It appears to be over now.

EDIT-- and by "over" I mean the blockade. I hope the Canadian Government takes notice and can start negotiating an agreement which is suitable for all sides. They had to have taken notice of this event.

[edit on 6/29/2007 by EvolutionEvil]

[edit on 6/29/2007 by EvolutionEvil]



posted on Jun, 29 2007 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by ConstantlyWondering

Originally posted by AccessDenied
it'll be a cold day in Hell before I back my government


Either you are with Canada or you are against. You sound like you have picked your side. I for one hope the military is allowed to be the military so this can be stopped instantly. As I said in another post, the first terrorist to pull out a weapon should be dispatched with extreme predjudice. Nobody likes war but if 2% of the population tries to harm 100% of Canadian commerce then war they will get. After all that has happened in this decade and you still stand with terrorist frightened. Why don't you feel shame?


Obviously you dont understand the situation, The ultimatum you offer is something devised by politicians from your country. The aboriginal people are Canadians, it's not like they moved here and decided to take over. Infact it's quite the opposite. I disagree with violence to solve problems, but the government is continuously putting off their claims. I also disagree with some of the bogus claims that have been made.(I could tell you some but this isn't the time to do so.) The Native people do deserve more than just beans for the land and the government is basically putting their situation at the back of the queue. However I know if I was given the right to not pay taxes I'd be more than happy with it. Violence only begets more violence, so either throw the first stone and prepare to dodge a barrage of stones. Or simply do what Ghandi did and be offensively passive.



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