Dr. Steven Greer in Montreal on august 9th, 2007

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Go on, ask them, I DARE ya!

Children in schoolyards across the world dare their fellows on to questionable deeds. I don't think that's something that mature adults engage in. I graduated from Elementary School a long time ago.

Don't be like all these other guys with their "I shouldn't have to communicate with CSETI and ask them things; they should come here to me and address all my arrogant demands!" cop-out.

You are better than that, schuyler.

Originally posted by V Kaminski

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
For months in various Greer threads you teased us with the image of you engaging Greer in a spectacular final showdown in Montreal. And then you don't even end up going?

That was seriously lame, buddy.

Holy cow can you not read? You may be seriously lame for suggesting that I may be "lame" as an ATS member in good standing.

I may be disabled from a stroke but not lame. Do your history... show the community anything even remotely suggesting my being present in Montreal as an intention. Go ahead. You can't.

Well of course I wasn't aware that you had suffered a stroke and I'm sorry to hear that. I had been eagerly looking forward to hearing about your attempt to publically discredit and humiliate Greer in Montreal.



[edit on 14-8-2007 by MrdDstrbr]

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
So now Greer is expected to bat 1000? He has to succeed 100% of the time and have absolutely no dissatisfied customers?

That was the claim. The 'challenge' was to provide "one, just one!" dissatisfied customer. To be fair, it was c3hamby that championed this approach. That has been accompolished. So much for the challenge. It has been met. It's really a fallacious and silly argument to proclaim "Find just one." So we find four, and then you say, "Well, that's not much."

Yep, and I'm right, too!

A small handful of people reporting "discouraging" results. That's all you guys could come up with?

No angry tirades against Greer and CSETI, loudly proclaiming what a farce and fraud the training is and demanding their $$$ back?

No angry mob threatening to bury Greer with lawsuits?

Just a very small number of "discouraged" people?

Well guys, if Greer's own trainees aren't even acting like an angry mob, then why should we here at ATS? Maybe the whole angry-mob mentality isn't as justified as we think it is, hmm??

Setting the whole who was satisfied and who wasn't arguement for a moment, I would like to ask ETDisclosure if he wouldn't mind going into a little more detail about what exactly he saw at this "training"? I see that you were quite happy with the results of this training, but your post seemed a bit vague on any details. What exactly was caught on video that you witnessed?

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
4 dissatisfied trainees out of 1000, that's a pretty good success rate I'd say!

Not necessarily so. 4 dissatisfied attendees have been found but not one satisfied attendee has come forward. (We have to exclude Lalancette due to the fact that he is an official Greerian agent with an agenda to groom the unwary.)

This is just unbelievable....

So your 4 nameless, faceless dissatisfied attendees who aren't even actively posting here "count" - but Lalancette doesn't "count", because he's a Disclosure Project Representative?



By your spectacular logic, no one from the Greer camp can ever be believed about anything, because if they come to ATS and start posting they must be VIRAL MARKETING for Greer, and we must mistrust everything they say, because TDP and CSETI make money!

admin edit to remove childish comments/namecalling

[edit on 8-15-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by Xanfalcon
Setting the whole who was satisfied and who wasn't arguement for a moment, I would like to ask ETDisclosure if he wouldn't mind going into a little more detail about what exactly he saw at this "training"?

You are a breath of fresh air Xanfalcon!

I'm tired of people accusing ETD of having a hidden agenda and I'm interested in hearing more details from him too

I'd like to read some details also ET, so what do you have? What exactly was photographed at "high altitude"? When can we expect to see the images? I can host them here inside of an hour for the world to see.

Springer...

Originally posted by Springer
When can we expect to see the images? I can host them here inside of an hour for the world to see.

Springer...

Fantastic attitude!

Who knows, CSETI might be amenable to working out some sort of deal along those lines, similar to what they did with Escamilla.... especially if the final presentation is better and more compelling than "Mothra" was

Who knows, CSETI might be amenable to working out some sort of deal along those lines,

ETD was asked to post the pictures and tell about the "evidence", where exactly did you read something about a deal between ATS and cseti ?! Do you know something called subtile humor, Mrd ?


And...well, i should be ghostwriter for the ambassadors.

I was happy to hear that, once we are done, we can repeat this by ourselves.

Yes, we know that and if you paid the proper price, you'll also be able to teach others ( and charge for it, of course ) to be ambassadors. Pyramid scheme, hm ?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Who knows, CSETI might be amenable to working out some sort of deal along those lines, similar to what they did with Escamilla.... especially if the final presentation is better and more compelling than "Mothra" was

Huh?

ETDisclosure claimed that two of the Cult Greer neophytes took some high altitude footage. Without any further details, that's all that's on offer - if it even exists, which I doubt. The footage is the personal property of the neophytes, not that of Cult Greer. ETDisclosure even confirmed, that once the vector party training is over, that no further support from Cult Greer is needed or given.

Springer stated that if given any footage, he could host it within an hour. To me, in my humble opinion, that means put-up or shut-up about having video evidence. Either you have it, or you don't.

How do you manage to twist all of that into hoping that a deal can be struck with Cult Greer, when the alleged footage is not even owned by Cult Greer? Two neophytes took the footage (according to ETDiscolsure), MrdDstrbr, not Cult Greer. Unless you know something about the inside workings of the Cult that the rest of us don't?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

This is just unbelievable....

But you believe Greer can levitate, you believe he communes with space peoples, you believe a moth is an alien entity, you believe he was given cancer by a beam weapon, and you believe all his other outrageous claims!

Yet you say it is unbelievable to suggest that a CSETI agent would give an unbiased view of a money-making training session he is personally involved with organising. Lalanc ET te is a little brick in the CSETI foundation so don't expect any impartial comments from him.

Have you noticed that what was being described as having "reached the expectations and beyond" is now nothing more than "high altitude lights in the sky" ie satellites/meteorites - yawn.

I hope Lalanc ET e is getting paid well for all this promotion and organisation he's doing for the Greer machine!

Originally posted by Xanfalcon
Setting the whole who was satisfied and who wasn't arguement for a moment, I would like to ask ETDisclosure if he wouldn't mind going into a little more detail about what exactly he saw at this "training"? I see that you were quite happy with the results of this training, but your post seemed a bit vague on any details. What exactly was caught on video that you witnessed?

Certainly, when nicely asked, I don't mind sharing.

We had an Object coming Friday and Saturday, that flashed a bright light (white-blueish) down on us, from high altitude in the atmosphere, 2 other objects at least were coming in around it at the same time, felt like they where escorting this main object. Their speed made these object easy to differentiate from the myriads of meteors we had seen this weekend. The second night, a cobalt blue stream of light could be seen leaving the main object.
I can estimate the magnitude of this object to be about -5,-6. The 2 other objects had a magnitude estimated to -1, 0.

There was 2 types of stuff caught on tape. Some of the objects captures were very most likely bugs and they are easy to point out.
3 other objects were not. They were circular and fast moving, without having this effect that bugs make with their wings. This was definitively bizarre. These would fall into the Orb category.

I also saw with naked eyes, 2 very fast moving rays passing beside me and a friend of mine. One on my left and one on my right.

There is no point I describe anything happening in consciousness, even if they are quite incredible events.

Hope this answers your question.

ETD.

[edit on 15-8-2007 by ETDisclosure]

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by Xanfalcon
Setting the whole who was satisfied and who wasn't arguement for a moment, I would like to ask ETDisclosure if he wouldn't mind going into a little more detail about what exactly he saw at this "training"?

You are a breath of fresh air Xanfalcon!

I'm tired of people accusing ETD of having a hidden agenda and I'm interested in hearing more details from him too

MrdDstrbr, I would suggest ignoring the people that are too arrogant. That can help you keep your blood pressure down hahaha.

Originally posted by Springer
I'd like to read some details also ET, so what do you have? What exactly was photographed at "high altitude"? When can we expect to see the images? I can host them here inside of an hour for the world to see.

Springer...

Unfortunately, my Shoe Box didn't do the trick...

Joking appart, I was meditating the whole time, and My gear totally blows so I don't have pictures of these things.

There is footage that will be heading to CSETI after these guys have burned them on DVD I'm guessing.

There is definitively something going on up there, and I can tell you one thing. They react to green lasers, BIG time...

Sometimes, we would flash, let say in the middle of the big dipper, and BOOM, we would have 3 flashes back at us. The weirdest stuff ever...

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
Yes, we know that and if you paid the proper price, you'll also be able to teach others ( and charge for it, of course ) to be ambassadors. Pyramid scheme, hm ?

Correction,

The sharing of this knowledge if free. You completely missed the point sir.
The point is to make people aware and experiment.

As an individual, I don't rely on the income from such sharing.
CSETI does.

So, when I start something, It will be free.

So much negativity...it's sickening...

Originally posted by torsion
I hope Lalanc ET e is getting paid well for all this promotion and organisation he's doing for the Greer machine!

There were 4 volunteers there, including Richard. This must be disappointing for you Torsion? That they don't get paid for this kind of support?

Originally posted by etdisclosure

I'm going to be there, so I can report of the conference once I'm back.

ETD.

A statement from the months old promo-OP. Quite a "build-up". OK. Let 'er rip. Enough with the "this thread is on life-support" stuff, waiting for DocET/ETDis/whomever to do or report anything of substance. Details would be welcome, quite likely more than "deals".

I smell a "sales" position being fabricated and perhaps new franchi$e$, viral-baby, viral. Diseased and spreading via the 'Net to promote an agenda not of disclosure but rather the opposite and it only costs money and a sacrifice and suspension of critical thinking.

An Aside: Mrd', I don't like you. I don't enjoy your juvi-tactics. Never have, never will. Know that Mrd'. I read ALL your "work". Know that Mrd'.

A principle of this site has been gracious to offer hosting new data from Montreal on short notice. I imagine those "who would pretend to dance" will make unreasonable "strings" of release a factor. Or they could say as has been done before, "We'll think about it and get back to you." Viral; drag-it-out for more "eye$-on".

Cheers,

vic

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Well of course I wasn't aware that you had suffered a stroke and I'm sorry to hear that. I had been eagerly looking forward to hearing about your attempt to publically discredit and humiliate Greer in Montreal.

[edit on 14-8-2007 by MrdDstrbr]

I don't suppose you are aware of much other than your Greer-induced agenda. Don't be sorry unless you actually mean it, anything else is a LIE. I hunt liars for sport, sometimes in the "real" world.

Hey Mrd', that last sentence in the above quote... just my personal opinion, you seem to be a potential liar and a spreader of mis-information and untruth. How community oriented is that? Hmmm? I encourage a reply.

New data? From Cult-Greer International? Maybe... we'll wait for Greer and his "data-lackies" and "flunkies-of-doing" to "catch up" with the last century, and entertain any new "spin" for the 21st century version of the same old stories. Viral-100%.

Vic

Thanks for sharing ETD.

No offense, but I really don't understand why you didn't try and capture some of this on camera. If I was there and saw what you described and all I had was my cell phone camera, that thing would be filled to the max with images. At least there were a couple of others that were able to stop meditating for a moment, and got something.

It would be nice if you could get in contact with the alleged photographers, and take Springer up on his offer. I can't think of a better place to show them off then ATS. To be honest, I really don't think I would be interested in waiting for the "DVD" to come out.

Originally posted by Xanfalcon
Thanks for sharing ETD.

No offense, but I really don't understand why you didn't try and capture some of this on camera. If I was there and saw what you described and all I had was my cell phone camera, that thing would be filled to the max with images. At least there were a couple of others that were able to stop meditating for a moment, and got something.

It would be nice if you could get in contact with the alleged photographers, and take Springer up on his offer. I can't think of a better place to show them off then ATS. To be honest, I really don't think I would be interested in waiting for the "DVD" to come out.

I tried. But it was so friggin high up there, the camera doesn't get anything worth. But with naked eyes, it's spectacular.

Good luck getting footage from CSETI. Every time someone comes from a training to talk about what happened, they get crucified, without any kind of intervention by the moderators...

What I would suggest people would be to go out, and try to project peaceful intention to contact, use lasers and watch the sky. You don't need a training to do that. Do it over the period of 2-3 months, every 2 weeks, and you will get results. Make sure to have the satellite charts, the ISS chart and the Iridium Flare charts, so you don't confuse these objects for ETVs.