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Ghostraven and Isaac drone man one and the same..

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posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 08:56 AM
After being a part of the whole Ghostraven HOAX

in the last few days and it's eventual demise through stirling work from ATS members, as soon as we realised it was a hoax i said i would go straight back to the board Home page to find something interesting, and lo and behold the latest and certainly the greatest of the Drone saga was unleashed complete with images, documents and a large letter from a man called Isaac.

I started reading immediately because I have been really interested in the Drone story and was waiting for the next instalment.

Because i had literally seconds ago came straight from the aftermath of the Ghostraven thread into this my brow started to furrow with the way the letter was structured and the content that was presented to me as it bore significant similarities to GR's postings. To a lot of people this may sound like i haven't had any sleep but i can tell you without a doubt i have had my eight hours and i want to share with you what i think is really important. If they are one and the same we can nip this latest drone story in the bud early so we are not wasting our time on unneccesary investigations.

Here is what i have found from closely examining both GR's posts and Isaac's introductory letter, the following information is also in the latest drone thread but i wanted to keep this seperate from now on.

In GR'S letter he said that the term Extraterrestrial was rarely used, instead they used the word "visitors"

I quote from Isaacs:

"In many cases it was necessary to differentiate between the different races and their respective technology, and they didn't even use the word “races”. They were referred to simply as different “sources”."

In GR's post the facility wasn't military:

"Actually, the facility it was in was not that impressive. I WAS NOT TAKEN OUT TO A SECRET MILITARY BASE. This part of the briefing occured in an industrial park near a fairly well populated area

Isaacs facility wasn't either:

"PACL was located in Palo Alto, but unlike XPARC, it wasn’t at the end of a long road in the middle of a big complex surrounded by rolling hills and trees. PACL was hidden in an office complex owned entirely by the military but made to look like an unassuming tech company. From the street, all you could see was what appeared to be a normal parking lot with a gate and a guard booth, and a 1-story building inside with a fictitious name and logo"

GR put some emtion into his posts to stir us:

"I fell deeply in love with this woman and, after completing a few years of service with the Peace Corps, married her."


"At this point I'm going to gloss over the emotional side of this experience, because this letter isn't intended to be a memoir, but I will say that there's almost no way to describe the impact this kind of revelation has on your mind"

His paragraphing is identical and just like GR promising us that more information will be released over time "But not just yet" Isaac seems to like doing the same:

"What I've shared so far is only a very small portion of what I have, and what I know" and

"Any future releases from me will come from the email address I've used to contact Coast to Coast AM, and will be sent to them only. I'd like to make this clear as well to ensure that people can be sure that any future information comes from the same source, although I must be clear: at this time I do not have any future plans for additional information. Time will tell how long I will maintain this policy, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING SOON" (My capitalisation)

Also GR starts to get angry with us for prying too much, i think he slips up here:

"If I was simply testing ATS "I could do it in far better ways". The funny thing is that a poster above pointed out all the things they would do if they were really an informant... but those were ALL things that a hoaxer could do (especially the computer stuff). Also... it would be pretty easy to fake all the docs/pictures you guys seem to be demanding"

It is pretty easy because he has actually done it, Isaac/GR has given us Documents and photographs. He says he could do it in far better ways and he actually has. We demanded the docs/pictures and he had them all the time.

GR says:

"Would a series of photos/documents really 'prove' my story? No, because a hoaxer, in this day and age, can easily generate tons of fake material"

This is exactly what GR/Isaac has done.


"I am not going to mail the mods a chunk of space ship parts"

No, he didn't mail them to ATS, he mailed photographs of spaceship parts to Coast To Coast

I just want this to go on record that I firmly believe that Isaac and Ghostraven are one and the same. He is double bluffing us, he used the GR thread to deflect interest from the Drone thread and now people are moving on to the new thread. You might think i'm nuts but all i ask you to do is set up two tabs on the bottom of your screen, one with GR's letter and one with Isaacs, there are too many similarites for anyone to ignore.

I would like other people to comment on this, if interest is drummed and we know either way we can move on.

[edit on 27/6/07 by October]

[edit on 27/6/07 by October]

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:05 AM
Interesting detective work. It sounds like it's a plausible motive for GR. In this day and age, it's quite easy to deflect and manipulate threads by posting as another alter ego.

I knew his posting was a hoax and it is not very easy to convince me, unless one has solid evidence.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by Sanctum1972]

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:11 AM
Which thread are you talking about?

Is it the Linda Moulton Howe report? The letter she made public from a man???

Please explain

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:19 AM
Sorry Dgtempe, i edited my original post, it's this thread

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:29 AM
I beleive you may be right.

I read the other thread/post and it does have similarities.

I wonder if the folks on Coast to Coast have fallen for it? The letter is on Linda Moulton Howe's website.

This guy's a trip if its him.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:33 AM
interesting theory October. Let's also point out that the "event" in the false flag operation revolved around an alien invasion at the end of july, beginning of august. Then GR said they were moving it up. He then declared hoax, claiming fear of contact from ats members. July 4th week sees the release of the Transformer movie. The movie revolves around an alient invasion. Chad (the original witness to the drone) is somewhat similar to Chad (kicker) Jones from the Transformers: Energon series (

If the drone is transformer related, then GR makes a neat tie in. I don't know much about Halo so I cannot say if the story lines mesh as easily.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:36 AM
Strange, I was reading the Issac thing this morning and thought the same thing. They can both put together nicely written if unbelievable stories

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:42 AM
Halo 3 basically ties in too, in this game earth is basically invaded by an alien race, i'm just not sure if either film is related to this, i think someone is really wanting to make their mark here.

If Isaac is GR, and i firmly believe it is, he got too cocky by testing ATS before releasing the good stuff to all and Sundry, it's effectively a double bluff, GR said it was easy to hoax lots's of information and then Isaac delivers it.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:07 AM
October, another thing that stands out is how he makes a point of saying that there is no alien invasion. How there's no need for anyone to be afraid. It's like Isaac wants to not repeat the fear factor that he seemed to create here as GR.

The style is very similar and there are some "tells' that it is written, if not by the same person, by someone very much following the same script.

While I am not sure, and I doubt anyone could be 100% sure, that this is the same person, it does seem likely.

Here is a chance to watch him at work. I would love to see how this goes over at that site, and how much further he goes in giving information. I have no doubt that his plan will work better there than it did here.

The real question, for me, is what the payoff is for this? What exactly is the point of this exercise? A hoax within a hoax is intriguing.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:24 AM
Good job on clue searching October but hmmm I have to think they are two different people doing two different things for two different reasons. Why, because GR is simply an admitted jerk, which is an understatement really, and only really got a thread interested in his Hoax/experiment because serious people interested in finding truth about UFOS were introduced once again to a topic they all love to talk about not that his no proof/no evidence Hoax/experiment was worth more then the newspaper under a birds cage from the begining.

IF GR was this new guy Issac then I would think that GR would have at least written alot more "false details" to the many questions asked of him when he first started posting. Isaac is writing alot of, (unconfirmed), details when GR was the king of vague, really unintelligent, didn't even know common facts, (like parts of the east side had no blackout), and really wasn't even smart enough to pull off a convincing hoax (for long). I beleive the majority of ATS members seen threw most his BS. Or more or less even smart enough to succesfully try to write a decent and legitamate experiment/research paper on UFOology or whatever his "excuse" was he tried to feed us for doing what he did.

I give this Isaac alot more credit and alot more "possibility" of maybe having something substantial where as GR was just ridiculous from the get go by not showing a shred of proof/evidence/documents/pics or anything, like Isaac is doing.

I am staying on the fence as this new "stuff" about the drone comes out until further details are examined of the claims but thats for the other thread.


posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:28 AM
Hey ISSAC or whatever the hell ur name is..*snip*..ur pictures are so generically 3d its disgusting, get a better renderer if u wanna fake it to people who know a little about it eh..tool...

Mod Edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by Crakeur]

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:33 AM

Absolutely, the Alien Invasion simply CANNOT be a factor to Isaac because he doesn't want people to match his drone story to GR'S "Invasion scenario", unfortunately for him we are already onto him.

What i will guarantee is that he, like the August thread has everything planned out from now on in, his latest instalment will be filed and all he has to do is pull it up and post to C2C.

As far as his motives are concerned i would say that attention seeking is his main driver. I think that GR/Isaac started the entire Chad drone right from the beginning and this is the next chapter.

But GR couldn't help himself before releasing the big stuff, as he decided to post on ATS to "Test the water" so to speak and what an incredible coincidence that as soon as he was ousted from here he thought he would go ahead and get the ball REALLY rolling, "ping!" the drone info is released to an unsuspecting public, let the game begin and all that. This was his ultimate downfall in my opinion.

Keep looking for similarites folks but let's try to be sensible about it and not pick the small to that just on the off-chance it might match, NGC2736 that was a good one, it matches his modus operandi.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:40 AM
Buzzing on,

Thanks for your post. I think a little differently on that because I think this is an ongoing campaign ever since the first drone pictures came on the scene, bear in mind that Isaac has had a long time to prepare this latest forwarding of evidence and i think he just wanted to see the lay of the land with the UFO community by making up a simple bs story.

Then he decided to release his hard work to C2C and it has exploded from there. I don't see him releasing anything in the next few days, he's going to sit back and watch for a while.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:48 AM
Maybe somehow that Isaac guy can be brought over to talk to us here at ATS .... by seeing how he would post and how he would respond to ATS member questions will bring out more clues to the speculation of him being GR. Maybe if he was a forum poster his "story" could be much better told also. I wonder if there is any way he could be told/invited to this idea.


posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 10:53 AM
The Roswell Wreckage and someone mentioned it earlier.

Isaac/GR also knows that people are going to compare his modern I-beams to Roswell's I- beams and for people will think "Wow!, that's incredible! The craft from Roswell was using the same language technology that this guy was working on!"

Convenient that they are I-beams Grisaac eh?

Come on.....

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 11:20 AM
I am not that savvy with getting information on internet sites, but is there a way to see when that website was created? Also maybe the reason he is not posting on ATS is because the IP would be the same as the one GR was using.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 11:46 AM
Yip your right Mr Maze, if he posted here we would know straight up.

I'm sure there is a way of finding out where his website was created, then we can possibly zone it down from there.

I can't actually remember where we pinpointed GR from the August thread, anyone?, i'll look into seeing where this site was created.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 11:53 AM
I doubt it. All GR did was post some lies on a forum. Issac has at least gone to the trouble of fabricating supporting documents [if it does turn out to be a hoax]. If it follows that Issac is in fact the hoaxer who fabricated the "drone" pictures, the that's evidence of a lot more hard work and effort than GR exhibited when posting downright lies, and poorly researched background material, with nothing of substance to back himself up.

I don't believe GR has anything to do with the "drones" for these reasons. He is however, probably very happy that he is now being linked to every current event going.

IMO, they're two completely different animals.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 11:57 AM

Originally posted by October
Halo 3 basically ties in too, in this game earth is basically invaded by an alien race, i'm just not sure if either film is related to this, i think someone is really wanting to make their mark here.

If Isaac is GR, and i firmly believe it is, he got too cocky by testing ATS before releasing the good stuff to all and Sundry, it's effectively a double bluff, GR said it was easy to hoax lots's of information and then Isaac delivers it.

Isaac is a biblical name and if anyone here knew anything about Halo, you would know it ties right in with the Bible. Your character's name is John (But his number 117, for more on this visit here at that link you can find verse 1:17. Also I would have to say these drones look nothing like anything from the "Haloverse". The closest thing to them would be the sentinels ( found here So unless there is a major sentinel change, these things look WAAAAY different than anything in the Halo world.

posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 12:17 PM
I'm not seeing any similarities to the Halo world, i played one and two and saw nothing like this, also looked at the available shots of three and nada. The only link is the story of invasion.

I need to find a way to see where that website was created and see if there is any correlation, that's all i have to go on at the moment, if i find out that it's not roughly in the same location is GR I can put this to rest and move onto the mass of data supplied by Isaac. The two bodies of text MATCH too much for me to let this go just yet.

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