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I think that someone is controlling the war.

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posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 01:43 PM
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It's ironic how it's ok for Grady to call Hugo Chavez a dictator but if someone calls Bush a dictator, he gets really riled up. Chavez is no more a dictator than Bush is. You're confusing dictator with socialist. Grady, stop trying to force your opinions on others.




posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 02:18 PM
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There should be a law to send the leader of a country first including it's government into the frontlines. Lets see how many Leaders still have the balls to start a war instead of trying to solve things with words.

The things is, if you are not personaly involved it is SO much easier to start a war.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Cygnific
There should be a law to send the leader of a country first including it's government into the frontlines. Lets see how many Leaders still have the balls to start a war instead of trying to solve things with words.

The things is, if you are not personaly involved it is SO much easier to start a war.


Bad idea.

In fact, if there was a flaw in the 9/11 strategy, it is that the masterminds blew themselves up carrying out their evil schemes.

Wise nations don't send their leaders into harm's way, not intentionally, at least.

That's a cute cliche, but it's not really the way the world works or the way to win a war.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 06:04 PM
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"When we really think about our government as not being them, then we can take responsibility to see that things get done the way they should be. Not how we want all the time, but as it should be. "

So i say to you, as millions do, IMPEACH THOSE WHO ARE NOT WANTED by the people.

Am i free to express this sentiment? Or does that make me an ungreatful Cuban-American with no regards to this country ??

I love this country. This is the country i grew up in- and my parents chose this country to bring me up in, so i could have freedoms and a good way of life. I married a Marine who fought very hard for his country and i have lost two nephews to different wars. I have a right to an opinion, imo.

Grady, we seem ungreatful because we have talked about this government for years now, and for years there has been no change and things go from bad to worse. We dont have to appear happy with this administration to be GOOD PATRIOTS. My allegiance is to the United States of America, its people, its freedoms but not to George W Bush or Dick Cheney. One nation, under God, indivisible with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I wanna make sure it stays that way.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 06:15 PM
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What I want to see is some balance. People who love their country aren't negative all the time. They can find something good to say about something sometimes, even when their man isn't in office.

They don't use every post as an opportunity to bash the nation and the phiosophical and economic principles upon which it was founded and which have guided it for more than 200 years so that the perpetual malcontents can trash it continually.

I just posted a video over at Social Issues that I think illustrates my point admirably.

Patriots are positive about America even in the face of injustice or poor leadership because they know that they can make a difference, if only in a small corner of their world.

You might give this a gander. It might warm your heart. It'll only take about five minutes out of your whining time.

www.abovepolitics.com...

[edit on 2007/6/27 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
What I want to see is some balance. People who love their country aren't negative all the time. They can find something good to say about something sometimes, even when their man isn't in office.
[edit on 2007/6/27 by GradyPhilpott]


Then there needs to be some reciprocation. People who love their country aren't positive all the time. They can be critical of leaders when there is obvious wrongdoing. And just because they are critical, doesn't mean they are subversive.


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Patriots are positive about America even in the face of injustice or poor leadership because they know that they can make a difference, if only in a small corner of their world.
[edit on 2007/6/27 by GradyPhilpott]


Patriots cannot make a difference if they blindly follow said poor leadership in the face of obvious lies. When this happens, they become part of the problem.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by TheComte]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Well Grady don't treat Dg badly, she is my twin sister on our harts.


You do not seem to grab the concept of how bad this nations has been ruled in the last 6 years.

I don't think that I have to lie about my feelings on the corrupted leadership of this nation so others can feel good and call me a patriot, for sticking with that leadership.

I know the meaning of patriotism and lying is not one of them.

You don't get it Grady, we have no longer a System of Government that can be fix by any other corrupted politicians taking over on the next elections.

All this corrupted politicians serve the same God and is not the one believe to be in Haven they follow the corporate corruption God.

They care for their own personal agendas over the agendas to serve the people.

Tell me Grady what good has this government done in the last 10, 15 or 20 years that has been for the good of the people of this nation rather than for the good of everybody else that can pay their campaigns.

How can you stay positive when is not end to what is going on in our Beloved Nation under the rule of an elite two party system.

When you will acept that is getting worst no better.





[edit on 27-6-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
People who love their country aren't positive all the time. They can be critical of leaders when there is obvious wrongdoing. And just because they are critical, doesn't mean they are subversive.


That's pretty good. You disagreed with me by paraphrasing my statement.

I never said that patriots never dissent. I started this conversation with marg, whose body of work is available for all to peruse, if you're into actual research, as opposed to quoting the clichés du jour.


Patriots cannot make a difference if they blindly follow said poor leadership in the face of obvious lies. When this happens, they become part of the problem.


Maybe, you mean they become the enemy.

People like you always use the term obvious lies, when all you are doing is taking advantage of 20/20 hindsight relative to flawed or outdated intelligence.

But again, I direct your attention to the following thread.

www.abovepolitics.com...

Maybe you can see what I mean by making a difference.

Did I mention voting, campaigning, letter writing, emailing? Those are all positive ways to dissent.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2007/6/27 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Tell me Grady what good has this government done in the last 10, 15 or 20 years that has been for the good of the people of this nation rather than for the good of everybody else that can pay their campaigns.


Marg, if you can't name one single good thing that this nation has done for its citizens in the last 20 years, I can't help you.

Again, I implore you! Leave now, before it's too late!



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Did I mention voting, campaigning, letter writing, emailing? Those are all positive ways to dissent.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I just got an E-mail from Saxby in Ga he was asking support to let Bush keep doing his war in Iraq with full powers or interferences.

I almost choke on my coffee.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Again, I implore you! Leave now, before it's too late!


Or what . . . Grady, you are going to do some voodoo magic on me.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I almost choke on my coffee.


That always helps.

I've got an idea! Why don't you use your Constitutionally protected right to call your representative to tell him what you think, then you could name one thing this country has done for you in the last twenty years. It's not like he's unavailable.


Coastal Georgia Office:
2 East Bryan Street
Suite 620
Savannah, GA 31401
Main: 912-232-3657
Fax: 912-233-0115

East Georgia Office:
1054 Claussen Road
Suite 313
Augusta, GA 30907
Main: 706-738-0302
Fax: 706-738-0901

Middle Georgia Office:
300 Mulberry Street
Suite 502
Macon, GA 31201
Main: 478-741-1417
Fax: 478-741-1437
Tollfree: 800-234-4208

North Georgia Office:
100 Galleria Parkway
Suite 1340
Atlanta, GA 30339
Main: 770-763-9090
Fax: 770-226-8633

South Georgia Office:
419-A South Main Street
P.O. Box 3217
Moultrie, GA 31776
Main: 229-985-2112
Fax: 229-985-2123

Washington D.C. Office:
416 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-3521
Fax: 202-224-0103


Try that in Venezuela.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Or what . . . Grady, you are going to do some voodoo magic on me.


You are completely with out honor or conscience.

I will have no more to do with you.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:13 PM
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Marg, just in case, put up some chicken bones by your front door and a broom upsidedown.


It will keep you safe from the NWO and other vibes.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:23 PM
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Thanks Dg, you know that we girls from the Caribbean know all the secrets when it comes to keeping the bad vibes off.

I think Grady got tired of us Dg. I really like Grady I really do and he doesn't understand that.

I hold not grudges, hate or desire of any ills to any of my fellow Americans and that includes you Grady we are all victims of the nasty breed of sucking lobbyist politicians in our nation .



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:30 PM
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i admire the pro-active measures grady is taking and could only wish more people would speak up

the problem i see though can not be fixed based on the current structure we have in place.

think about voting. what choice do you really have? they select the candidates to be nominated for president. how can you have a real democracy if you don't select the candidates? you just vote for who they deem to have in mind the intrests of the current agenda. look what happens if a candidate gets a grass roots movement going, he will be crucified in the pres, and not even included as a candidate. btw i bet most people still trust there tv's to get the accurate picture in politics and finance.

the biggest problems in the world today are the federal reserve's and how these private owned banks have direct control over a country. two president tried to free america from this scam, these two were killed (lincoln , kennedy). now i understand the poverty and the other things but these are all indirectly related and exasperated by the power the fed has. thomas jefferson warned about it, kennedy warned about it, woodrow wilson helplessly admitted his mistake after it was created under his watch.

the less materialistic and the more oriented toward family you are as well as less in debt the next few years may not be as painful IMO.

p.s the us govt is not as openly corrupt as other nations, on one hand i think people are disillusioned growing up thinking the government is like some role model and then when they find out they are corrupt they assume they are the worst govenment, and on the other side people seem to follow the gov't blindly based on a either with us or against us sentiment, it would kind of be funny if it wasn't true. in fairness to these groups i think they are more likely to have families and get bogged down with "real-life" issues and not have enough free time as well having other hobby's.
then on the third hand there are those who realize the bigger picture from a perspective outside of the social engineered and media fed view. they stay ahead of the game and stop trying futile measures to change the system and swim against the rip current, but at the same time create awareness of the bigger picture and create there lives as they wish usually with an open heart as well as witholding judgement


of course there is a bit of overlap


[edit on 27-6-2007 by cpdaman]

[edit on 27-6-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 07:59 PM
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Here's an obvious lie. When Saddam Hussein first used his poison gas against Iran and then on the Kurds, the US knew all about it and did nothing. Then, as an excuse to go to war, Bush parades out this little fact to show how 'dangerous' Saddam is and that he is not shy about using his WMD. Did he mention that it happened 20 years ago, or did he deliberately make it sound like the threat was imminent?

How about the fact that Saddam's nuclear weapons program ended with the first Gulf War and never restarted, and yet he was still trying to procure uranium from Africa. False intelligence? Well, if you admit that the US intelligence apparatus is that bad, then ok. But I don't buy it.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 08:05 PM
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yes he deceived the public and the media pushed his points across to generate support, and the sheeple cheered as long as there comfy lives were not effected.

people don't like it when they are portrayed like this, but sometimes the truth stings

this is nothing new this is how government operates thoughout 5000 year history, and yes this doesn't make it right

remember dictators rule through power and democracy's rule though propoganda



[edit on 27-6-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 08:05 PM
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dp oops

[edit on 27-6-2007 by cpdaman]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
It's ironic how it's ok for Grady to call Hugo Chavez a dictator but if someone calls Bush a dictator, he gets really riled up. Chavez is no more a dictator than Bush is. You're confusing dictator with socialist. Grady, stop trying to force your opinions on others.





"I've proposed, and we're writing the proposal for the indefinite reelection of the president of the republic,"

Hugo Chavez at his 2006 innaugration.
www.washingtonpost.com... 01/10/AR2007011000468_2.html
Link doesn't seem to work.

Hmmm.... I rarely have heard any non-aspiring dictator say something like that. He probably won't run in 2012 will he? The world is going to end at the time anyway. Nah he's just a good ole democratic Socialist, Maoist. Nothing to worry about there. Mao was big on the democratic process too from what I remember.

Since when is shutting down Television stations because of their views not clost to being a dictator? Wait untill 2012 and then we will see.




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