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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
an apartheid Government that favors one religion over others is hardly a democracy. They are trying though. Right now they are more like a Theocratic Military Junta. In many cases their military is who makes the decisions. In a Democracy there is no prejudism over who can and cannot own land.
Originally posted by dbates
Are you talking about Hamas here? Then I agree. Since their violent take-over they've , and their military is most defiantly ruling the country right now. Some day this group of people will get over their prejudice that excludes half of the population. Now that Hamas is in control, the little rights that women in Gaza have
It's no wonder that thousands of Palestinians are trying to get in to Israel. It's paradise compared to Gaza.
Originally posted by laiguana
Is it possible for you to point to sources in which you make these claims Pie? I'm always willing to look at the other side, so to speak...to make my evaluations more precise.
One more thing you failed to address is the Islamofascist agenda of HAMAS that would threaten many freedoms people of Israel have...HAMAS along with other Islamic nations are determined to destroy Israel all-together and force everyone under Islamic rule, which means people will not longer enjoy the freedoms they once had, especially the women. As dbates, put it. So far, their methods have been to inch their way into Israel to make a critical attack, but their tactics have become all too familiar and Israel doesn't allow that anymore. Israel has done a fantastic job at keeping these terrorists at bay despite all this biased criticism they receive.
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
If they were so good they would never have problems. When will people get it through their minds that they are not as good at dealing with terrorism as they claim if they constantly create more problems for themselves and everyone involved with them. If you think that living behind a big wall and havig to occupy a people as well as living in such high security lifestyle is a great way to deal with terrorists I dunno what to tell you.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Yes Israel has committed attrocities, but it is in response to what the Palestinian authorities, the Palestinian terrorist groups and other Muslim nations have been doing to them forever...
"What, me a spy?" Ruth Zucker felt as if she was struck by a lightning, when she received the proposal in the spring of 1937 to work for the Haganah, the Jewish underground organization. She was 23 years old and three years ago followed her lover, a physician, to Haifa. Then, the land of Palestine stood under English administration. In this book she talks about her dangerous as well as successful twelve years long career as a "mole" in the British administration and at the United Nations.
The United Nations predecessor's decision was made in 1920 at a conference in San Remo and it became the task of Great Britain to take care of the fulfillment of this proclamation. This fact was the legal basis for the future Zionist buildup of the Land of Israel, and on the other side, the reason for the conflict with the Arab neighbors. This conflict escalated as a result of the 16th Zionist Congress in Geneva in 1929. There, at the urging of Chaim Weizmann, the enlarged Jewish Agency for Palestine was founded. In the eyes of the Arab leaders, this enlarged Jewish Agency meant a "Zionist government," which had only one goal: to expel the Arab inhabitants from Palestine.
The following Arab-Jewish confrontations due to Jewish settlement plans took on a larger and larger scale, and the British Army soon became involved on a wide front. The British, at the beginning of their mandate gave the Arabs to understand that a new homeland would be created for them, "which would stretch to the coast of the Mediterranean Sea". Regrettably, this never happened. As the world events unfolded, Great Britain became greatly worried that the Arab world could make an alliance with Hitler's Germany; this concern strengthened their support for the Arabs. In the British policy-setting "White Book" of May 17, 1939 it was stated: "To appease the Arabs, the Jewish immigration quote is to be drastically reduced to 75,000 for the next five years, and after that immigrants can only be allowed with the consent of the Arabs." With that, the Balfour Declaration was effectively put on indefinite hold, and the dramatic result was that "at the time of the most urgent danger for the European Jews the gates of the old-new homeland were closed for a new Jewish mass immigration."
It was only then that the Jewish Agency started to undertake the illegal immigration, and many refugee dramas took place on land and especially at sea, which the writer Leon Uris memorialized with his unforgettable novel "Exodus".
Because of the fact that also after 1945 the British policy of the "White Book" continued, Jewish special commandos were built up for the fight against the English and the Arabs. David Ben Gurion ordered the Haganah, the secret self-defense organization of the Jews, to take up armed struggle.
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Heres a crazy idea, it's Israel's land, always was, and quite frankly always will be. The question to be asked I guess would be should we give the southwest of the US to mexico? They do have a claim to it dont they? A little less propaganda and Jew hating and a little more FACT and TRUTH and this could be a great place.
The so called Palestinians have been offered statehood and their own Nation no less than 6 times, funny thing is they keep saying "NO!".
I find another thing quite interesting also. Fatah (also a terrorist group) fights Hamas in this thing and you all say great Fatah is getting rid of terrorists. Israel kills Hamas and you say the Jews are murdering poor Palestinians. Interesing how the Terrorists become poor inocents depending on who is taking them out...
Oh here's a touching story, one I see often, about a poor Palestinian dad who had to strangle his own 13 year old daughter. No really he had too she had the audacity to get raped by 4 boys over 17, the little slut had to be put down. So says allah, so says dad!!!
The Jewish Kingdoms of Ancient Judah and Israel
The archeological record indicates that the Jewish people evolved out of native Cana'anite peoples and invading tribes. Some time between about 1800 and 1500 B.C., it is thought that a Semitic people called Hebrews (hapiru) left Mesopotamia and settled in Canaan. Canaan was settled by different tribes including Semitic peoples, Hittites, and later Philistines, peoples of the sea who are thought to have arrived from Mycenae, or to be part of the ancient Greek peoples that also settled Mycenae.
According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites, or a portion of them, out of Egypt. Under Joshua, they conquered the tribes and city states of Canaan. Based on biblical traditions, it is estimated that king David conquered Jerusalem about 1000 B.C. and established an Israelite kingdom over much of Canaan including parts of Transjordan. The kingdom was divided into Judea in the south and Israel in the north following the death of David's son, Solomon. Jerusalem remained the center of Jewish sovereignty and of Jewish worship whenever the Jews exercised sovereignty over the country in the subsequent period, up to the Jewish revolt in 133 AD.
The Assyrians conquered Israel in 722 or 721 B.C. The Babylonians conquered Judah around 586 B.C. They destroyed Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, and exiled a large number of Jews. About 50 years later, the Persian king Cyrus conquered Babylonia. Cyrus allowed a group of Jews from Babylonia to rebuild Jerusalem and settle in it. However, a large number of Jews remained in Babylonia, forming the first Jewish Diaspora. After the reestablishment of a Jewish state or protectorate, the Babylonian exiles maintained contact with authorities there. The Persians ruled the land from about 530 to 331 B.C. Alexander the Great then conquered the Persian Empire. After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., his generals divided the empire. One of these generals, Seleucus, founded a dynasty that gained control of much of Palestine about 200 B.C. At first, the new rulers, called Seleucids, allowed the practice of Judaism. But later, one of the kings, Antiochus IV, tried to prohibit it. In 167 B.C., the Jews revolted under the leadership of the Maccabeans and either drove the Seleucids out of Palestine or at least established a large degree of autonomy, forming a kingdom with its capital in Jerusalem. The kingdom received Roman "protection" when Judah Maccabee was made a "friend of the Roman senate and people" in 164 B.C. according to the records of Roman historians.
Palestine From Roman to Ottoman Rule
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. Initially it was ruled by the client Herodian dynasty. The land was divided into districts of Judea, Galilee, Peraea and a small trans-Jordanian section, each of which eventually came under direct Roman control. The Romans called the large central area of the land, which included Jerusalem, Judea. Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, Judea, in the early years of Roman rule. Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time. The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." Most of the Jews who continued to practice their religion fled or were forcibly exiled from Palestine, eventually forming a second Jewish Diaspora. However, Jewish communities continued to exist in Galilee, the northernmost part of Palestine. Palestine was governed by the Roman Empire until the fourth century A.D. (300's) and then by the Byzantine Empire. In time, Christianity spread to most of Palestine. The population consisted of Jewish converts to Christianity and paganism, peoples imported by the Romans, and others who had probably inhabited Palestine continuously.
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
No need to respond to what is clearly a myopic and jew hating view. History as he puts it oes show who have been there in that region. Whether you take the NYT Article of 1909 or any writings prior or after. If he wants to play semantics the Palestinians that Romans kicked out were JEWS not arabs or persians. Besides I don't play nice with those that support killig children with children and support terror acts against civilians.
You have a nice day though, IGNORANCE IS BLISS.