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Originally posted by An Urban Legend
Yeah, that's right, everyone one of these credible government whistle-blowers are just lying, or is just sadly mistaken. Sorry, that's the only only argument the debunkers have to offer. They disreguard these men and women's testimony seemingly because they dont "want" 9/11 to be an inside job, or that it's simply too hard to believe. Well, the truth taste like bread, its bitter so get used to it.
These people actually witnessed first hand they're governments hand caught in the cookie jar, yet when they expose the criminals the public keeps itself in-line by mentally tuning out whatevers out of the norm.
A 9/11 Discussion between 9yr old Timmy and 46yr Old Dad
Timmy: Dad can we talk about 9/11? I dont think I believe what's on the TV.
Dad: Aww, well....sure Timmy. Those d*mn terrorist struck the Towers and made them collapse.
Timmy: Well Dad, why did people hear explosions in undamaged portions of the building beneath the impact zone?
Dad: Explosions?! Ah Timmy, yea.... they "thought" they heard explosions, it wasnt explosions; there is a perfectly logical explanation for the noise.
Timmy: Like what?
Dad: .................Uh, well Timmy, .............the building was crying.
Timmy: Crying!?
Dad: Yeah buddy! You know, buildings have feelings too, so it started to cry because IT KNEW that eventually the impacted floors above would collapse down onto it and destroy the entire thing..........LIKE LEGOS.
Timmy: But Dad, the building threw debris up to 500 ft away from the buildings, and there were squibs occuring on the undamaged floors 30 floors below the impact zone, what can cause that? People even say they heard explosives going off everywhere, and they also saw bright red and orange flashes with the explosions! Dad???
Dad: Timmy,oooooh the squibs, .....yeeeaaa, that was the wind. The air of the impacting floors which had not yet impacted compressed itself and desided to exit below the impact zone ....because up above had a 400*C raging inferno.
Timmy: Dad, but there are so many characteristics of a demolition, how can a building have all the characteristics of a controlled demolition yet be a natural gravity driven collapse? My science teacher says thats impossible...........
Dad:Then Timmy your science teacher is stupid, the explosions never happened.
Timmy:Well what about Barry Jennings in World Trade Center building7? He states there were explosions occuring in that building while the towers were still standing, meaning the building had virtually no damage from debris. Doesnt that stand for evidence of a demolition, not to mention the building fell in 7 seconds. He also said he saw dead bodies.......
Dad: Look you little bas**rd those buildings were destroyed, NIST and the 9/11 Commission said so. Sure they may have forgotten the account of explosions but it doesnt matter, we know why the buildings collapsed, ......because terrorist hit it with planes.
Timmy: Even building 7, which wasnt hit by a plane?
Dad: Yes, it tripped and fell over.
Timmy: Dad, sometimes I think you think that Im stupid.........
Dad: Nah nah, its not that Timmy, your just caught up into all of this conspiracy whoohaa, you read too much Timmy, go watch T.V. I already have it on my favorite show on the Fox News Channel, "Hanity And Combes."
Timmy: i dont like that show, they teach people that the earth is flat.
Dad: Then goto the hell to bed! And since you wanna be so damn smart Im disconnecting that internet tomorrow, and Im burning all those books!
End..........
What have we learned?............
Oh, you want evidence? Im like a kid in a candy store, where should I start? The molten steel under all 3 buildings? The collapse of building 7 despite not being hit by a plane? The explosions Barry Jenninings experience in building 7 while it was undamaged, before either Tower collapsed? Or hmm, perhaps we should just talk about the physics involved?
Since you want to be like that, I have a question for Timmy. Where is one, just ONE piece of PHYSICAL evidence to prove any type of demolition and/or blackop nuclear thermite? Where TImmy? Suddenly South Park comes to mind with the response you took the time to write. If you took the time to write a diatribe Timmy, obviously you have the mental capacity for rational thought. I do not toss aside all of the people that are listed, and simply stated that it is detrement not helping his point. Many of those that are listed are hawking books or so far in the outfield they are UNDER the bleachers. A blind man is one who makes a choice based on influence not reason.
Near the end of the interview, Maxwell pounded her fist on the table and asked editors of The Telegraph why they weren’t publishing more stories about the government’s role in the terrorist attacks or proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Maxwell has no political experience. She lived abroad for the past quarter-century with her husband, George, a pediatrician, and only recently returned to the U.S., she said.
In the hour-long interview, Maxwell spoke at length about Constitutional law, U.S. law, nuclear weapons proliferation, and other domestic and foreign policy issues.
Maxwell said the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq. She also questioned whether Congress authorized the war and said its members can’t explain that 2002 vote. (Congress authorized the use of force to defend this country’s security and enforce United Nations resolutions on Iraq.)
Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat, attorney, former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Fred F. Fielding - Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat, former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska
John F. Lehman - Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican, former Governor of Illinois
The members of the Commission's staff included:
Philip D. Zelikow, The Commission's Executive Director; Christopher Kojm, the Commission's Deputy Executive Director; Daniel Marcus, the General Counsel; Janice Kephart, of counsel.
Al Felzenberg, the commission's spokesman.[1]
President Bush had initially appointed former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to head the commission, but he withdrew shortly afterward because he would have been obliged to disclose the clients of his private consulting business.[2]
Past and present government officials who were called to testify, under oath, before the Commission included:
Colin Powell - Former Secretary of State
Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright - Former Secretary of State
Donald H. Rumsfeld - United States Secretary of Defense
Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense
William Cohen - former Secretary of Defense
Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor to the President, who was not required to testify under oath because the position of NSA is an advisory role independent of authority over a bureaucracy and does not require confirmation by the Senate.
Sandy Berger - former National Security Advisor
Richard A. Clarke - former counter-terrorism officer in the George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush administrations
President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, former President Bill Clinton, and former Vice President Al Gore all gave private testimony. President Bush and Vice President Cheney insisted on testifying together, while Clinton and Gore met with the panel separately.
Originally posted by esdad71
How about Dr. Bill Deagle? I'll jsut take one in the middle of the pack. Let's check his back story. You see, this guy speaks to God on a regualr basis.
www.americaslastdays.com...
Now, if he can speak to God, maybe he should leave him a voice mail and get back to him with some more information on the 9/11 conspiracy.
Originally posted by BeZerk
ThatsJustWeird,
So former CIA, FBI, DoD and so on are not credible witness's?
Sibel Edmonds who is a former FBI wiretap translator who spoke publicly about US prior knowledge.
I really don't think you perused over the thread well enough reading through every bit of information.
It really amazes me of some people who believe the official explanation even though the amounts of lies the Government has spewed out.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by BeZerk
ThatsJustWeird,
So former CIA, FBI, DoD and so on are not credible witness's?
If they have no evidence then no, they're not credible. What's the difference between them and former CIA, FBI, DoD, and so on that say the government is not responsible? Only people in the government who support your views are telling the truth while other people in the government who don't support your view are lying?
How does that work?
Sibel Edmonds who is a former FBI wiretap translator who spoke publicly about US prior knowledge.
Define "prior knowledge"
It's well known that officials knew the terrorists were up to something. In 2001 there were two peaks in terrorist chatter. One in late spring when the attack was originally supposed to take place then again in late summer, when they did take place. I have yet to see any credible evidence however that anyone knew the exact dates, targets, etc.
Is the U.S. responsible for the attacks. Yeah, partly. Not taking the threats serious enough, not putting enough resources and manpower to prevent the attacks. But that goes back two decades, not just a 2001 thing. The U.S was extremely complacent (with a bit of arrogance.)
Is the U.S. responsible for carrying out the attack? I'm looking for facts from these "whistle blowers" to support this claim not speculation and opinions.
I really don't think you perused over the thread well enough reading through every bit of information.
lol, I did, but what makes your thread so special or different? This stuff has been around for the past 6 years.
Surely specific names and even physical evidence to support the claims should have come out by now.
It really amazes me of some people who believe the official explanation even though the amounts of lies the Government has spewed out.
So because I ask for real whistle blowers, that means I believe the "official story?"
hmmm.....
And you came to this conclusion....how exactly?
And again, you keep saying how the government lies, so I'm very curious to know how you pick which government official to believe or not?
[edit on 28-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]
Is the U.S. responsible for carrying out the attack? I'm looking for facts from these "whistle blowers" to support this claim not speculation and opinions.
Past and present government officials who were called to testify, under oath, before the Commission included:
Colin Powell - Former Secretary of State
Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright - Former Secretary of State
Donald H. Rumsfeld - United States Secretary of Defense
Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense
William Cohen - former Secretary of Defense
Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor to the President, who was not required to testify under oath because the position of NSA is an advisory role independent of authority over a bureaucracy and does not require confirmation by the Senate.
Sandy Berger - former National Security Advisor
Richard A. Clarke - former counter-terrorism officer in the George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush administrations
President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, former President Bill Clinton, and former Vice President Al Gore all gave private testimony. President Bush and Vice President Cheney insisted on testifying together, while Clinton and Gore met with the panel separately.
Bush brushed off a question from a reporter Thursday on whether 9/11 families were entitled to a transcript of the session.
"You asked me that question yesterday," Bush replied. "I got the same answer."
He did not repeat the answer, but the White House has said there will not be a transcript of the session. Bush said he expects details of his "conversation" with the commission to go into its final report. - CNN April 30th
Originally posted by BeZerk
What was the flash before the plane even hit the building?
Originally posted by dgtempe
Since the government lies so much, the burden of proof is on THEM to show the people they had no involvement here.
Originally posted by dgtempe
I am looking for proof that the USA government, Bush/Cheney, did not have anything to do with 9/11.
Originally posted by esdad71
and Rosie " I dress my kid like a terrorist" O'Donnell.
Originally posted by esdad71
NIST is not a government controlled entity although freepress and prisonplanet would like you to think so.
Neither is the 9/11 commission, who were so upset with the result stated on record that there should be more to the investigation. Not to find the thermite, but to find where the bottelneck was that witheld the vital information that was found in hindsight which is always 20/20.
Thomas Kean, chair, is former governor of New Jersey (1982-1990) and, since 1990, the president of Drew University.
Lee H. Hamilton
Vice Chair
Lee Hamilton, vice chair, is president and director of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Prior to becoming director of the Woodrow Wilson Center in 1999, Hamilton served for 34 years in Congress representing Indiana's Ninth District.
Richard Ben-Veniste
Commissioner
Richard Ben-Veniste is a partner in the Washington law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw. He served as assistant U.S. attorney, Southern District New York, from 1968 to 1973, which included service as chief of the Special Prosecution Section from 1971 to 1973.
Fred F. Fielding
Commissioner
Fred Fielding is senior partner and head of Wiley, Rein, & Fielding's Government Affairs, Business & Finance, Litigation and Crisis Management/White Collar Crime Practices. From 1981-1986, he served as Counsel to the President of the United States, as deputy counsel from 1972-1974 and as Associate Counsel from 1970-1972.
Jamie S. Gorelick
Commissioner
Jamie Gorelick is a partner at Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering, Hale & Dorr . Prior to joining Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering, Hale & Dorr in July 2003, Gorelick was vice chair of Fannie Mae.
Slade Gorton
Commissioner
Slade Gorton is of counsel at Preston Gates & Ellis LLP. Prior to joining the firm, he represented Washington State in the United States Senate for 18 years, from 1982-2000.
Bob Kerrey
Commissioner
Bob Kerrey is President of New School University in New York City. For twelve years prior to becoming President of New School University, Bob Kerrey represented the State of Nebraska in the United States Senate.
John F. Lehman
Commissioner
He served 25 years in the naval reserve. Lehman was appointed Secretary of the Navy by President Reagan in 1981 and served until 1987.
Timothy J. Roemer
Commissioner
Tim Roemer is president of the Center for National Policy (CNP) and a distinguished scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, a non-profit research and educational institution dedicated to improving public policy outcomes. Prior to joining CNP, Roemer was a partner at Johnston and Associates. From 1991-2003, Roemer represented the Third District of Indiana in the U.S. House of Representatives,
James R. Thompson
Commissioner
James Thompson, Illinois' longest-serving governor (1977-1991), is chairman of the law firm of Winston & Strawn, headquartered in Chicago.
There is no difference between the CT' and the official story, it is just a matter of perception. .