Originally posted by antipigopolist
Originally posted by feyd rautha
i dont think you have the capability to understand his points...
I've read all the posts and as far as my capacity to comprehend, suffice it to say I am well educated.
Would you happen to be "well-educated" in the same educational system that discourages critical thought and breeds many misinformed individuals that
are so full of mind-conditioning by propaganda/disinformation, they are unable to comprehend some very simple concepts? Not to imply that you are not
intelligent, but having an "official education", considering what that implies, may do more harm than good, when it comes to your knowledge of
objective reality, and ability to reason.
The posts of lilblam however, use a different form of education. Poorly executed social engineering on the weakminded to propagate a belief only known
to him and to pull others into his psychosis. You're missing so many contradictions and classic hoaxing techniques in his posts it's almost
He will bait you:
Although, in 5 years the truth will not be told. It will "happen". I won't say what. Just wait! Or search and see if you can find out.
Either way, the clock is ticking. This is like Atlantis basically, we are at the end and most people don't know it.
bait: something used to lure victims into danger. Is this a ploy to lure the reader into a state of "psychosis" and "delirium", to spread even
more enticing disinfo (as if the internet has a deficiency in such!), or is this written to perhaps entice someone to open their eyes and research?
Maybe not the best approach, and I must admit, I'd likely not use that approach again, and have since learned much about communicating certain ideas
to others. Yes, that statement is enticing, and since then I realised that simply "curiosity due to enticement" is not going to get people very far
in a "search for truth". It must come from an inner drive, much stronger and deeper than a curiosity on the surface, because that lasts only as long
as the person's "interest" is held by enticing "stuff". This is how soap operas keep people coming back again and again, as they finish on
"enticing" scenes that make you wonder "what will happen next, I just gotta know!". And we are composed of many "selves", all of which want
something different, and have different interests and so are constantly pulling you in all directions. What people think is their unified single
"I", is just many different little "i"'s - each full of programming and its own "direction". Sounds like a case of scizophrenia, but sadly this
is the rule, not the exception.
Regarding that previous statement though, my initial idea was, maybe if someone is enticed enough, they will somehow "grow" that "inner drive" to
question everything. Kinda like starting an older motorcycle by pushing the lever with your foot hard a few times until it starts. Surprisingly, it
DOES work on some occasions for certain people, who began asking questions and finding very surprising answers as a result, and they did not stop
since. But for most people, I learned that it wears off quickly enough, and their interests are "grabbed" by something else. Also notice I don't
call it a "desire", but a "drive". Because the motivation is not so much that you WANT the truth, but that you are simply sick of lies, and are
driven to understand all things are they really are, starting with yourself. There is no "expectation", no predending that someone will give
anything to you because you "want" it. So you know you will only achieve the equivalent of the amount of work you put into seeking knowledge.
then pass himself off as a "chosen one":
The truth is SO well hidden on this world and all the other ones, that only single people in entire centuries find out. When they do, they
usually die. If they don't, they are driven insane and put in mental hospitals and so forth. The system is MUCH wiser and older than anyone can
imagine. It is not made by humans, nor Gods, nor Aliens. Think outside the box!
That is just your assumption. In our world, which is created on lies and deception, half of them being self-calming lies that we tell to ourselves to
create a bubble of subjetive reality so as to avoid facing reality as it is, only a few people choose the path of truth. I am not "chosen" by anyone
but myself. For one example of the level of ignorance in the world, consider how many voted for Bush (though don't get me wrong, I'd not vote for
Kerry or anyone else either, but I'm not getting into that here), after even the mainstream media reported (the only media seen by most people) that
Bush's claims and reasons for his invasion of Iraq were lies. Why? Because he has them convinced, through carefully orchestrated propaganda and other
techniques, that he only has everyone's "best interets at heart", that he is a "good, moral person", that he is a "man of God" (if not
God-incarnate!), that he just wants to "fight evil" and "promote good" and "spread freedom and democracy" etc. Nevermind that he is a
psychopathic mass-murdering liar that spreads nothing but lies and death around the world, torture, secrecy, and actually encourages people to rebel
against his lunacy and become what he calls "terrorists". Nevermind that he is a puppet of those "elite" that control him and his entire
"cabinet". This is but one example that even you probably understand, because anyone with 2 neurons firing in their head understands this. Which
says a lot about the US population's ability to think... I guess that "official education" doesn't go very far, especially in US.
and finally "borrow" a few insights from a website and tag it with:
Paraphrase: "You have to find out for yourself, my "truth" cannot be told", "I don't care if you believe me"
Yes, all truth must be learned through personal effort and struggle to seek it - there is no other way. It will not seek you. And seeing as you are
making many assumptions and misunderstanding much from what I say, it is becoming apparent that you are likely much more interested in discrediting
me, than finding out if I am correct or not. You seem to have your mind made up already, and are now looking to "prove" your own preconception by
finding anything that seems to support it.
This is evidenced by the fact that you ASSUME that I am horribly mistaken in my assertions, as seen here:
It's nice that you are trying to broaden your knowledge but please, "Stop and smell the roses". Life is what you make it and from the sounds of it,
yours is turning borderline psychopathic. 5 years from now, I'll still be on St. John with my toes in the sand sipping ice cold champagne and
giggling to myself about the guy that had a "5 year goal".
..which is based on your own wishful thinking and desire to maintain your "established world view" - all must conform to it, or it is obviously a
lunatic hoax. Wishful thinking gets ya every time, and ignoring reality does not change it one bit - no matter how much you repeat to youself that
"all is well", it will change nothing. Although I realise that most hoaxes use a clever baiting technique, why would you rule out the possibility
that one may try to present truth in a similar manner? Perhaps it is a vain attempt, but it does not automatically guarantee that anything that is
"enticing" is a hoax. Many non-fiction books also begin with "enticing" theses, and once again, trying to "grab the attention" or "grab the
interest" of someone does not automatically make it a work of fiction, do you not agree?
So once again, why such a fear to question your dearly-held view that "all is fine in the world", especially considering so much evidence to the
contrary, and that time is running out very quickly.
all the while avoiding offering the smallest amount of this "truth" but rather giving "hints:
Here's some hints, but these only scratch the surface.
Time does not exist. Time (yes, time) is an illusion. There is no past/present/future. I know this for FACT and understand it completely including
logically why and so forth. Like I said, this cannot be told...
I made a post earlier with a detailed explanation about "time". Apparently, until you "get" some things by yourself, no amount of reasoning or
explanation does the trick. So as I said, this must be realised through personal effort and critical thought - cannot be just "handed" to you. It
might work to your disadvantage if you had years of "public education" though, because it teaches you NOT to think outside the box or critically
think about anything for that matter. Do you remember high school? Ever had a time when you would ask a question in class because you made a
connection in your mind from something you just learned to something else that is not in the same "subject", and the teacher scolded you? Most
people had a few experiences similar to this, when they were genuinely inquiring, but the inquiry was ignored, ridiculed, or dismissed (sometimes with
anger or punishment as well) by the "teacher", because it did not fall into the "box" which was defined for the student. And through a system of
"rewards and punishments", just like Pavlov's dog, people are conditioned to what is "allowed" and what is not, and it becomes so ingrained in
our minds that it becomes VERY hard, if not impossible to once again critically think, after going through enough such conditioning.
One example of lilblam's contradictions:
Which is it? This:
Think of all the unknowns and not understood phenomena in this world. Ghosts. UFOs. Aliens. Bigfoot. This is all part of the system of
Aliens are real and in total control on this planet
The devil is in the details. The word "aliens" can be defined in many ways, and although the commonly understood meaning is not really accurate, it
is the closest thing I could think of. But once again, it really means little by itself, it may create many false impressions and assumptions in your
mind just by reading something like "aliens control the planet". "Something" certainly is in control, but what is it.. and how does it control..
and why... etc.. the devil is in the details.
He steers clear of debate and/or offering info for fear of exposure.
I have no reason to debate - I gain nothing from convincing you of anything. It is not in my interest to be "right", or to try to prove something to
you. My original intention was to "entice" as many people to begin searching for themselves, and hopefully finding something that allows them to
wake up and finally SEE for themselves. Well, having "come to grips" with myself, and having learned many things since then, I no longer try to
entice or "bait" anyone (at least not intentionally) in hopes that this causes them to put in enough effort and begin searching. Those who are
ready, by virtue of their own knowledge and predisposition, will find what they need to find, the universe will ALWAYS give to those who ask, by its
very nature. Even in the Bible it says, "Ask and ye shall receive". The key is asking... the devil is in the details.
I would suggest to you to take his advice of learning and research but not for the reasons given in the young man's posts.
What reasons are those? To find the truth in a world dominated by lies? To seek knowledge when the vast majority is sound asleep in a bubble of
What I find most deplorable is that an intelligent person would post this trickery of doom and gloom in a thread dealing with suicide.
Unless "doom and gloom" is precisely what is coming.. in which case, do you suggest that everyone sticks their head in the sand and continues to
soundly sleep pretending "all is well"? Wishful thinking, although is preferable by most people to objective reality, does not change reality, and
eventually, when reality does come around in our faces, the more asleep you were, the bigger shock you will experience. This is only "deplorable" if
you are convinced that this is trickery... but is it?
The more fragile minds here may not see the "truth" and take you at face value. So how about shedding some light on a few of the more "scary"
topics you have offered to really bring it home for em.
Fragile minds? Why are they fragile? Do you mean fragile as in "insecure, fearful, gullible, depressed" etc? You say that as if it's completely out
of control, that the "mind" of the person, by its very nature of being "fragile", is in danger if it's exposed to such "dangerous
proclamations" as I make. If they take anything at face value, this is their choice - cannot blame it on your mind and excuse it as "oh my mind is
fragile, so I tend to take things at face value". Although most people have very little control of their actions and thoughts, and are just
mechanical and programmed beings, they DO have a choice to take control of themselves, they simply prefer their current state of affairs, it's much
more "comfortable" and is much "easier". And so, perhaps a few "shocks" to the system could be exactly what they need to shake themselves
"awake". In fact, when one is seeking truth and trying to work on staying "awake", constant shocks are very beneficial - like cold water on your
face when you're slowly falling asleep. Without external shocks, it is immensely difficult to keep doing the work and avoid falling back asleep.
"All you have to do is ask." - lilblam
I offer a simple conversation which can start off very basic for the benefit of the layman and then, upon your response, follow with much more indepth
and scientifically precise queries (with easy to understand examples) if required. Truth is not known unless the defining mechanisms of this truth are
understood. Otherwise it is just theory or proof of a theory, so it should be easy for you to answer the simplest of questions knowing said "truth".
I'll try to avoid the theoretical and scientific unless you postulate in that realm:
In what we measure as time, how long is this "cycle" that will come to pass in 5 years?
I'm not sure if the cycle is necessarily measured in "time", as much as it is determined by the stuff that happens within the cycle. But
"supposedly" it lasted 309,000 years - at least this time around. But this is not verified, it is a working hypothesis. What IS known, is that there
are cyclical cataclysms that hit this planet (one of which are cyclical cometary bombardmends), and these cycles are much much shorter, only a few
thousand years. There is also human experiential cycles - humanity goes through very similar experiences in cyclical "time" in a sense. So wars,
dictatorial states like Nazi Germany, and other things, seem to happen in a cyclical way. Speaking of which, we are on the verge of "Nazi Germany"
on a global scale.
On the one hand, a great deal of things in the universe and in nature on our own planet have been observed to be cyclical. I'm sure you are aware of
that. From sun spots to orbits to night/day to "mating seasons" to "crop cycles" etc. Cycles are basically the "rule", but do humans have to be
"the exception" - or not? So the hypothesis is, could "time" also be cyclical? Could humanity be going through larger cycles that are less
And when I say "in 5 years", I mean within about 5 years. Timing is never certain - the future is open, meaning, all possibilities can occur. But I
assign it a high probability that within the next few years, a lot of "poop" will hit the fan - as many cycles seem to be coming together at about
the same time, sort of like a global biorhythm "critical point".
How did these aliens, that control the planet, come to be here on Earth and how did they take control of the planet?
Well, they are hyperdimentional, so there is no single point in time when they entered - as they are not restricted by space and time. It would be
equally true to say that they will come in the future, that they are coming right now, and that they came in our past. It's not so much that they
"took" control, as we are their prototype already, and we exist only as their food - they always had control, we were never "free" in a certain
sense at all. Each new cycle, we are "re-created" (which means destroyed at the end of the cycle too), but there are a great deal of "realities"
happening simultaneously here, which makes all this just unbelievably complex. There are realities merging, for example - "we" used to not be their
prototype, but something else entirely. And after having made some choices (namely, allowed ourselves to be coerced into being service to self instead
of service to others), we sort of "merged" with this reality, and "became" this race of beings, which ARE an experimental prototype of a
service-to-self group of hyperdimentional entities that grow us as food, and have always been! And each new cycle, you "go where you fit" - we're
all here in this reality, in this situation, because we fit here. When we acquire enough knowledge and no longer fit here, we will move on to another
reality, whereas, humanity as a whole will continue in a constant array of cycles, over and over, for eternity - but only "this" version of humanity
will. "Changing the world" is not an option - it's entirely controlled, and the only "change" that can happen is inside yourself, which would
allow you to simply enter another reality, when you become unfit to exist in this one.
There are many "Earths", you exist in the one where you fit. Currently, our race is heading for total destruction, and many things will happen as a
result - but which ones you perceive and experience, depends on where you "fit". The vast majority of humans (due to their high level of ignorance,
and so inability to "advance", which means they must keep repeating their lessons until they do) will simply be annihilated and replaced with the
next prototype, supposedly a "better" one. Another variation is, they are annihilated, and then the exact same "prototype" is created and seeded
on this planet, seemingly for the first time, as if we never even existed to begin with - it will be us, all over again (cycle starting over). Another
is, there are survivors, who advance to another level of awareness because of their knowledge, so they will no longer be present in this reality,
which may very well become a desolate nuclear wasteland, with the sky glowing red from comet dust, and then a few "cavemen" are seeded to begin what
will become known as "the human race".
There is a "system of control" established by these "beings", and it completely dominates our entire civilization from "within" ourselves and
from "without". It controls our minds individually, and everything else in our world. And so, most of what we know about ourselves and the universe
are lies. Now, although our "reality" is an "illusion", this is different from when I say that most of what we know are lies. When I say we are in
an "illusion", this statement is multifaceted. On one level, this simply means, that since every possible thing that could ever possibly exists
does, and we only perceive a linear progression of events, which is only one possibility our of infinity, we are seeing an "illusion" - because in
reality, all possibilities are actualized. On another level, all reality is "illusion" - so illusion IS reality. It is an "illusion" because
perception is subjective, your level of awareness determines how you perceive all of reality - so when your level of awareness changes, the
"illusion" (reality) changes as well, for you.
But when I say that our world is based on lies, this is similar to when I say that we're in an illusion, but not quite the same thing. In this case,
I am referring to our own habit of "wishful thinking", meaning, believing/seeing only what we wish to believe/see, and ignoring or denying what we
do not wish to be true (in this case, an "objective reality" exists within the context of our level of awareness, and we choose to ignore it in
favor of a subjective reality). In addition, the "system of control", which is by its very nature a hiararchy (because all service to self
civilizations are in a triangular hiararchy of "command"), and the lower in the hiararchy you are, the less you know - because with lies,
self-perpetuated assumptions, and subjectivity, we are easily controlled. Lies enslave us, they render us unable to DO anything, because anything we
DO is based on lies, and all choices based on illusions and lies are non-choices, they accomplish nothing of value in objective reality. And so if you
are unable to choose anything in objectivity at all, you have no choices, you are not "free", your free will belongs to someone else, who does
control your choices. Also, most of our choices, most of our thoughts, our words, are not our own at all - we only "think" and "do" and "say"
what we're allowed to "think" and "do" and "say" by our programming/conditioning. All this is made possible because of the fact that our entire
species, meaning EVERYONE without exception, is by design (and by choice at another level) service to self. Vast majority of our actions are in
service to the self - though we love to pretend otherwise (once again, wishful thinking and lying to ourselves). Upon contemplation, it is not so hard
to realise the truth of that statement. We are in a world of lies, because we prefer lies, and so we get what we ask for.
And the concept of "as above so below" rings true, on many levels. For example, in our own politics, the only reason our government can get away
with pretty much anything, is because of our ignorant, idle, complacency - we ALLOW ourselves to be hoodwinked, to be lied to, and to be led. Our own
nature predisposes us to being controlled by others by means of deception and fear and false promises of "better future", and any time we try to
point the finger to blame someone for leading us all astray, we're always really the ones to blame. No one can be deceived unless they allow for this
- this is one of those "golden truths" that oh so many people miss. Our government is a reflection of ourselves. The reason that Americans, for
example, are not outraged by the murderous and openly deceptive actions of their own rulers, is because they all ARE just like their psychopathic and
murderous governments. They easily believe that "the terrorists are everywhere and are out to get us, so we must secure ourselves to our teeth till
we're practically invincible, so that the terrorists, who can be anyone, anywhere, at anytime cannot get us". It is part of our nature to be afraid
of practically everything, on a deep subconscious level, because we're constantly concerned for our own survival, and there always exists a
"threat" from outside to our survival - and our own natural fears and suspicions of anything "different" from us are played upon by our
"leaders", who know us better than we know ourselves. And this single truth persists through all levels of reality, when it comes to the service to
self polarity. Service to self just means - concern for the self. Whenever any level of concern for the self is present, there is always a level of
fear of "self being harmed", and a desire to "make self feel good" - which often means, prevent harm. And so, although our own egos would never
admit it, we're in constant fear, subconsciously, of death, of anything we perceive as being "harmful". And that fear is easily "called out of our
subconscious" by such tactics as our government (and many many MANY governments throughout the history of humanity) has performed. We are very easy
to manipulate. The movie "The Village" is a good analogy here.
Notice how, whenever we "fight" something in a war, it is always presented to us as the "ultimate evil". Whether it is Communism, or Fascism, and
now, Terrorism. It is always this "ultimate, absolute, evil" that must be eradicated at all costs, or we're all doomed. And the leaders never need
to present actual evidence of their claims, all they need is to suggest the idea, and perhaps scare the people with what "appears" like an actual
threat by carefully "spinning" all news by controlling the media, and many other techniques, to mold our minds to whatever perspective they wish us
to have, wish ease. This is also the tactic religions use - they always promise you "eternal pleasure" and threaten you with "punishment"
(sometimes absolute punishment, absolute suffering, absolute "harm" - aka Hell). We are ruled by our own fears and desires, because we are self
serving entities. And those who have more knowledge than us will ALWAYS rule us with clever lies - until we manage, INDIVIDUALLY
, to begin
simply QUESTIONING everything, and stop being "reaction machines" who react to external and internal stimuli, without much thought, without much
conscious choice. Fear can be a great motivator, but it can also be a huge stumbling block, depending on the situation.
No one can control anyone else, without the one being controlled allowing for it. And control always takes one of 2 forms: Either it comes in forms of
threat, or in promises of "future pleasure". And only service to self entities, who are concerned for "self", ever submit to such control -
although it's not so black and white, and there are many levels of "service to self" and "service to others".
These are just SOME of the very basics, the very fundemental understandings that one should begin to achieve, before one can learn any "higher
truth" - something that is like a "core requirement". And this is something (although what I said has a LOT missing from it, I just don't have the
energy to write what you can find yourself if you chose) that you can easily arrive at yourself, but one must be seeking objective knowledge first.
And most often, people do not choose the path of truth until they are morally, mentally, emotionally, and possibly physically bankrupt. When they have
very little to loose, and when the things they usually would "fall back on" for "moral/mental/psychological/support" begin to crumble, and they
begin to see through the lies established for them all their lives - only THEN do people usually begin to ask serious questions about their existance
and role in the universe. And luckily, the universe ALWAYS answers - when the questioner is open with NO ASSUMPTIONS or PRECONCEPTIONS or BELIEFS. And
that state of openness is usually achieved when one is desperate, when one is literally bankrupt and fed up with the by-now obvious lies he is
Any assumptions/anticipation/beliefs/preconceptions block the receivership capability of any truth, because your mind is made up, and you are not
truly asking for objective truth as it is. Also, to really "ask", one must be willing (and doing) work, and putting in EFFORT to seek truth - there
is no free lunch. No one will just "give" it to you because you are "special" - one must seek it with his entire being, and he will find it - but
only through personal effort. Which is why I always say it CANNOT BE GIVEN - it is READILY AVAILABLE to anyone who is truly OPEN and puts in the
effort to FIND IT (it's not HIDDEN as much as it's right in front of our noses, we just choose not to see it). This requires much analysis, much
research, much CRITICAL THOUGHT
. Something people tend to rely on others for - like when they trust their governments to decide what is
"best" for them, or the "scientific community" to tell them how the world works, or the "doctors" to heal them, etc. And as a result, we have
completely corrupt governments. A murderous and powerful military industrial complex. Scientists that are very close-minded and full of assumptions,
ego, etc - who would not risk their job or "reputations" to question many things, in fear of ridicule and being removed from their cherished
"scientific community" which has its own doctrines - and so they don't. And of course, your "medical industry" that would obviously go bankrupt
if it cured all diseases, so its job is just to prolong your life by making "living with disease" easier - not to actually heal. In fact, there is
much evidence that suggests they are making new diseases, like AIDS, to make even more money.
When will humanity ever learn that THEY are responsible for their own "troubles", for living in a world based entire on LIES at all levels? Sadly,
they will not learn. Those few individuals that DO learn will get out of this world, and go to the next one, where they fit, and everyone who fits in
THIS world will remain here, until they learn. After all - all there is, is lessons. That's another "truth" that one must simply understand, or it
will make little or no sense.
How does the science of ST or LQG relate to your "truth"?
Not "my truth" - just truth. And not one truth, many "truths". I'm interested in truth in all things - just seeing objective reality as it is,
with no beliefs/assumptions. Some things are just more "shocking" than others. I'm not very familiar with specific physics theories like String
Theory, or SuperString Theory, or many-worlds theory. I have heard of them, and have briefly read certain things, but my knowledge of physics is not
really "there" yet to give any opinion worth its salt on the matter. But I know someone who can shed a lot more light on the matter. However, you
seem to have a certain "aversion" to anything to do with anyone related to the Cassiopaean material. That's your choice, but Arkadiusz Jadczyk is a
respectable theoretical physicist, and is doing a lot of research and scientific work, to figure out this reality through physics, to understand the
"paranormal" and the "mysterious" through science. I suggest you take a look at some of his websites, and maybe you will find something that
4 questions: 3 simple and one abit more complex. You said all one had to do was ask. We shall see. Given the truth that you have barely reached
adulthood, Occam's Razor seems very sharp.
Or perhaps reality is just not "simple" - and most "simple" explanations, which prefer simplicity over accuracy, just do not work? As you know,
anything you ever learn in life, is due to your own effort and motivation to learn it. This holds true for anything, from things you learn in
preschool to your doctorate, and beyond. The more of yourself you GIVE, the more energy/effort you put in, the more you tend to RECEIVE as a result,
the more you understand and learn. If you don't have an inner "drive" that motivates you to go into a certain "field", you most likely will not
get very far. And so it is with any "higher knowledge" as well - without a clear love for truth, and a strong drive to seek it, you will not get
very far - simple curiosity is not nearly enough.
This is not to imply that their are no young and very gifted individuals but merely that the environ in which you reside is telling as are your
posts. I'm not holding my breath so don't worry.
Yes please don't, blue is so not your color