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posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 02:19 AM
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@antipigopolist

yes i know those methods, but some of his statements make sense. he is young so he is allowed to contradict himself if it happens not to often.

true: few have the knowledge to enslave the majority of mankind.

true: The best way to keep someone chained and bound as a slave, is to make him believe that he is free.

true: time does not exist(if it would what was before it, what comes after it) at least not linear, the idea of a circle is therefore logic.

true: knowledge is all that matters, believe is irrelevant.

true: to find truth you must think outside the box and get rid of what false things you have learned. (i am not a friend of Occam's Razor, there are not simple answers to complicated questions)

i am pretty sure he does not know much more than most of us, but i think he is on a good way for a 19 year old, at least better than the many deluded nutjobs that frequent this board normally(billy meier believers or emily gregg for example).

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[edit on 7-12-2004 by feyd rautha]




posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by antipigopolist

Originally posted by feyd rautha
antipigopolist
i dont think you have the capability to understand his points...


feyd,
I've read all the posts and as far as my capacity to comprehend, suffice it to say I am well educated.

Would you happen to be "well-educated" in the same educational system that discourages critical thought and breeds many misinformed individuals that are so full of mind-conditioning by propaganda/disinformation, they are unable to comprehend some very simple concepts? Not to imply that you are not intelligent, but having an "official education", considering what that implies, may do more harm than good, when it comes to your knowledge of objective reality, and ability to reason.



The posts of lilblam however, use a different form of education. Poorly executed social engineering on the weakminded to propagate a belief only known to him and to pull others into his psychosis. You're missing so many contradictions and classic hoaxing techniques in his posts it's almost laughable:

He will bait you:

Although, in 5 years the truth will not be told. It will "happen". I won't say what. Just wait! Or search and see if you can find out. Either way, the clock is ticking. This is like Atlantis basically, we are at the end and most people don't know it.



bait: something used to lure victims into danger. Is this a ploy to lure the reader into a state of "psychosis" and "delirium", to spread even more enticing disinfo (as if the internet has a deficiency in such!), or is this written to perhaps entice someone to open their eyes and research? Maybe not the best approach, and I must admit, I'd likely not use that approach again, and have since learned much about communicating certain ideas to others. Yes, that statement is enticing, and since then I realised that simply "curiosity due to enticement" is not going to get people very far in a "search for truth". It must come from an inner drive, much stronger and deeper than a curiosity on the surface, because that lasts only as long as the person's "interest" is held by enticing "stuff". This is how soap operas keep people coming back again and again, as they finish on "enticing" scenes that make you wonder "what will happen next, I just gotta know!". And we are composed of many "selves", all of which want something different, and have different interests and so are constantly pulling you in all directions. What people think is their unified single "I", is just many different little "i"'s - each full of programming and its own "direction". Sounds like a case of scizophrenia, but sadly this is the rule, not the exception.

Regarding that previous statement though, my initial idea was, maybe if someone is enticed enough, they will somehow "grow" that "inner drive" to question everything. Kinda like starting an older motorcycle by pushing the lever with your foot hard a few times until it starts. Surprisingly, it DOES work on some occasions for certain people, who began asking questions and finding very surprising answers as a result, and they did not stop since. But for most people, I learned that it wears off quickly enough, and their interests are "grabbed" by something else. Also notice I don't call it a "desire", but a "drive". Because the motivation is not so much that you WANT the truth, but that you are simply sick of lies, and are driven to understand all things are they really are, starting with yourself. There is no "expectation", no predending that someone will give anything to you because you "want" it. So you know you will only achieve the equivalent of the amount of work you put into seeking knowledge.



then pass himself off as a "chosen one":

The truth is SO well hidden on this world and all the other ones, that only single people in entire centuries find out. When they do, they usually die. If they don't, they are driven insane and put in mental hospitals and so forth. The system is MUCH wiser and older than anyone can imagine. It is not made by humans, nor Gods, nor Aliens. Think outside the box!


That is just your assumption. In our world, which is created on lies and deception, half of them being self-calming lies that we tell to ourselves to create a bubble of subjetive reality so as to avoid facing reality as it is, only a few people choose the path of truth. I am not "chosen" by anyone but myself. For one example of the level of ignorance in the world, consider how many voted for Bush (though don't get me wrong, I'd not vote for Kerry or anyone else either, but I'm not getting into that here), after even the mainstream media reported (the only media seen by most people) that Bush's claims and reasons for his invasion of Iraq were lies. Why? Because he has them convinced, through carefully orchestrated propaganda and other techniques, that he only has everyone's "best interets at heart", that he is a "good, moral person", that he is a "man of God" (if not God-incarnate!), that he just wants to "fight evil" and "promote good" and "spread freedom and democracy" etc. Nevermind that he is a psychopathic mass-murdering liar that spreads nothing but lies and death around the world, torture, secrecy, and actually encourages people to rebel against his lunacy and become what he calls "terrorists". Nevermind that he is a puppet of those "elite" that control him and his entire "cabinet". This is but one example that even you probably understand, because anyone with 2 neurons firing in their head understands this. Which says a lot about the US population's ability to think... I guess that "official education" doesn't go very far, especially in US.



and finally "borrow" a few insights from a website and tag it with:

Paraphrase: "You have to find out for yourself, my "truth" cannot be told", "I don't care if you believe me"



Yes, all truth must be learned through personal effort and struggle to seek it - there is no other way. It will not seek you. And seeing as you are making many assumptions and misunderstanding much from what I say, it is becoming apparent that you are likely much more interested in discrediting me, than finding out if I am correct or not. You seem to have your mind made up already, and are now looking to "prove" your own preconception by finding anything that seems to support it.

This is evidenced by the fact that you ASSUME that I am horribly mistaken in my assertions, as seen here:


It's nice that you are trying to broaden your knowledge but please, "Stop and smell the roses". Life is what you make it and from the sounds of it, yours is turning borderline psychopathic. 5 years from now, I'll still be on St. John with my toes in the sand sipping ice cold champagne and giggling to myself about the guy that had a "5 year goal".

..which is based on your own wishful thinking and desire to maintain your "established world view" - all must conform to it, or it is obviously a lunatic hoax. Wishful thinking gets ya every time, and ignoring reality does not change it one bit - no matter how much you repeat to youself that "all is well", it will change nothing. Although I realise that most hoaxes use a clever baiting technique, why would you rule out the possibility that one may try to present truth in a similar manner? Perhaps it is a vain attempt, but it does not automatically guarantee that anything that is "enticing" is a hoax. Many non-fiction books also begin with "enticing" theses, and once again, trying to "grab the attention" or "grab the interest" of someone does not automatically make it a work of fiction, do you not agree?

So once again, why such a fear to question your dearly-held view that "all is fine in the world", especially considering so much evidence to the contrary, and that time is running out very quickly.



all the while avoiding offering the smallest amount of this "truth" but rather giving "hints:

Here's some hints, but these only scratch the surface.

Time does not exist. Time (yes, time) is an illusion. There is no past/present/future. I know this for FACT and understand it completely including logically why and so forth. Like I said, this cannot be told...


I made a post earlier with a detailed explanation about "time". Apparently, until you "get" some things by yourself, no amount of reasoning or explanation does the trick. So as I said, this must be realised through personal effort and critical thought - cannot be just "handed" to you. It might work to your disadvantage if you had years of "public education" though, because it teaches you NOT to think outside the box or critically think about anything for that matter. Do you remember high school? Ever had a time when you would ask a question in class because you made a connection in your mind from something you just learned to something else that is not in the same "subject", and the teacher scolded you? Most people had a few experiences similar to this, when they were genuinely inquiring, but the inquiry was ignored, ridiculed, or dismissed (sometimes with anger or punishment as well) by the "teacher", because it did not fall into the "box" which was defined for the student. And through a system of "rewards and punishments", just like Pavlov's dog, people are conditioned to what is "allowed" and what is not, and it becomes so ingrained in our minds that it becomes VERY hard, if not impossible to once again critically think, after going through enough such conditioning.




One example of lilblam's contradictions:

Which is it? This:


Think of all the unknowns and not understood phenomena in this world. Ghosts. UFOs. Aliens. Bigfoot. This is all part of the system of control.


or this?


Aliens are real and in total control on this planet


The devil is in the details. The word "aliens" can be defined in many ways, and although the commonly understood meaning is not really accurate, it is the closest thing I could think of. But once again, it really means little by itself, it may create many false impressions and assumptions in your mind just by reading something like "aliens control the planet". "Something" certainly is in control, but what is it.. and how does it control.. and why... etc.. the devil is in the details.



He steers clear of debate and/or offering info for fear of exposure.

I have no reason to debate - I gain nothing from convincing you of anything. It is not in my interest to be "right", or to try to prove something to you. My original intention was to "entice" as many people to begin searching for themselves, and hopefully finding something that allows them to wake up and finally SEE for themselves. Well, having "come to grips" with myself, and having learned many things since then, I no longer try to entice or "bait" anyone (at least not intentionally) in hopes that this causes them to put in enough effort and begin searching. Those who are ready, by virtue of their own knowledge and predisposition, will find what they need to find, the universe will ALWAYS give to those who ask, by its very nature. Even in the Bible it says, "Ask and ye shall receive". The key is asking... the devil is in the details.



I would suggest to you to take his advice of learning and research but not for the reasons given in the young man's posts.

What reasons are those? To find the truth in a world dominated by lies? To seek knowledge when the vast majority is sound asleep in a bubble of ignorance?



lilblam,
What I find most deplorable is that an intelligent person would post this trickery of doom and gloom in a thread dealing with suicide.

Unless "doom and gloom" is precisely what is coming.. in which case, do you suggest that everyone sticks their head in the sand and continues to soundly sleep pretending "all is well"? Wishful thinking, although is preferable by most people to objective reality, does not change reality, and eventually, when reality does come around in our faces, the more asleep you were, the bigger shock you will experience. This is only "deplorable" if you are convinced that this is trickery... but is it?



The more fragile minds here may not see the "truth" and take you at face value. So how about shedding some light on a few of the more "scary" topics you have offered to really bring it home for em.


Fragile minds? Why are they fragile? Do you mean fragile as in "insecure, fearful, gullible, depressed" etc? You say that as if it's completely out of control, that the "mind" of the person, by its very nature of being "fragile", is in danger if it's exposed to such "dangerous proclamations" as I make. If they take anything at face value, this is their choice - cannot blame it on your mind and excuse it as "oh my mind is fragile, so I tend to take things at face value". Although most people have very little control of their actions and thoughts, and are just mechanical and programmed beings, they DO have a choice to take control of themselves, they simply prefer their current state of affairs, it's much more "comfortable" and is much "easier". And so, perhaps a few "shocks" to the system could be exactly what they need to shake themselves "awake". In fact, when one is seeking truth and trying to work on staying "awake", constant shocks are very beneficial - like cold water on your face when you're slowly falling asleep. Without external shocks, it is immensely difficult to keep doing the work and avoid falling back asleep.



"All you have to do is ask." - lilblam

I offer a simple conversation which can start off very basic for the benefit of the layman and then, upon your response, follow with much more indepth and scientifically precise queries (with easy to understand examples) if required. Truth is not known unless the defining mechanisms of this truth are understood. Otherwise it is just theory or proof of a theory, so it should be easy for you to answer the simplest of questions knowing said "truth". I'll try to avoid the theoretical and scientific unless you postulate in that realm:

In what we measure as time, how long is this "cycle" that will come to pass in 5 years?


I'm not sure if the cycle is necessarily measured in "time", as much as it is determined by the stuff that happens within the cycle. But "supposedly" it lasted 309,000 years - at least this time around. But this is not verified, it is a working hypothesis. What IS known, is that there are cyclical cataclysms that hit this planet (one of which are cyclical cometary bombardmends), and these cycles are much much shorter, only a few thousand years. There is also human experiential cycles - humanity goes through very similar experiences in cyclical "time" in a sense. So wars, dictatorial states like Nazi Germany, and other things, seem to happen in a cyclical way. Speaking of which, we are on the verge of "Nazi Germany" on a global scale.

On the one hand, a great deal of things in the universe and in nature on our own planet have been observed to be cyclical. I'm sure you are aware of that. From sun spots to orbits to night/day to "mating seasons" to "crop cycles" etc. Cycles are basically the "rule", but do humans have to be "the exception" - or not? So the hypothesis is, could "time" also be cyclical? Could humanity be going through larger cycles that are less "obvious"?

And when I say "in 5 years", I mean within about 5 years. Timing is never certain - the future is open, meaning, all possibilities can occur. But I assign it a high probability that within the next few years, a lot of "poop" will hit the fan - as many cycles seem to be coming together at about the same time, sort of like a global biorhythm "critical point".



How did these aliens, that control the planet, come to be here on Earth and how did they take control of the planet?

Well, they are hyperdimentional, so there is no single point in time when they entered - as they are not restricted by space and time. It would be equally true to say that they will come in the future, that they are coming right now, and that they came in our past. It's not so much that they "took" control, as we are their prototype already, and we exist only as their food - they always had control, we were never "free" in a certain sense at all. Each new cycle, we are "re-created" (which means destroyed at the end of the cycle too), but there are a great deal of "realities" happening simultaneously here, which makes all this just unbelievably complex. There are realities merging, for example - "we" used to not be their prototype, but something else entirely. And after having made some choices (namely, allowed ourselves to be coerced into being service to self instead of service to others), we sort of "merged" with this reality, and "became" this race of beings, which ARE an experimental prototype of a service-to-self group of hyperdimentional entities that grow us as food, and have always been! And each new cycle, you "go where you fit" - we're all here in this reality, in this situation, because we fit here. When we acquire enough knowledge and no longer fit here, we will move on to another reality, whereas, humanity as a whole will continue in a constant array of cycles, over and over, for eternity - but only "this" version of humanity will. "Changing the world" is not an option - it's entirely controlled, and the only "change" that can happen is inside yourself, which would allow you to simply enter another reality, when you become unfit to exist in this one.

There are many "Earths", you exist in the one where you fit. Currently, our race is heading for total destruction, and many things will happen as a result - but which ones you perceive and experience, depends on where you "fit". The vast majority of humans (due to their high level of ignorance, and so inability to "advance", which means they must keep repeating their lessons until they do) will simply be annihilated and replaced with the next prototype, supposedly a "better" one. Another variation is, they are annihilated, and then the exact same "prototype" is created and seeded on this planet, seemingly for the first time, as if we never even existed to begin with - it will be us, all over again (cycle starting over). Another is, there are survivors, who advance to another level of awareness because of their knowledge, so they will no longer be present in this reality, which may very well become a desolate nuclear wasteland, with the sky glowing red from comet dust, and then a few "cavemen" are seeded to begin what will become known as "the human race".

There is a "system of control" established by these "beings", and it completely dominates our entire civilization from "within" ourselves and from "without". It controls our minds individually, and everything else in our world. And so, most of what we know about ourselves and the universe are lies. Now, although our "reality" is an "illusion", this is different from when I say that most of what we know are lies. When I say we are in an "illusion", this statement is multifaceted. On one level, this simply means, that since every possible thing that could ever possibly exists does, and we only perceive a linear progression of events, which is only one possibility our of infinity, we are seeing an "illusion" - because in reality, all possibilities are actualized. On another level, all reality is "illusion" - so illusion IS reality. It is an "illusion" because perception is subjective, your level of awareness determines how you perceive all of reality - so when your level of awareness changes, the "illusion" (reality) changes as well, for you.

But when I say that our world is based on lies, this is similar to when I say that we're in an illusion, but not quite the same thing. In this case, I am referring to our own habit of "wishful thinking", meaning, believing/seeing only what we wish to believe/see, and ignoring or denying what we do not wish to be true (in this case, an "objective reality" exists within the context of our level of awareness, and we choose to ignore it in favor of a subjective reality). In addition, the "system of control", which is by its very nature a hiararchy (because all service to self civilizations are in a triangular hiararchy of "command"), and the lower in the hiararchy you are, the less you know - because with lies, self-perpetuated assumptions, and subjectivity, we are easily controlled. Lies enslave us, they render us unable to DO anything, because anything we DO is based on lies, and all choices based on illusions and lies are non-choices, they accomplish nothing of value in objective reality. And so if you are unable to choose anything in objectivity at all, you have no choices, you are not "free", your free will belongs to someone else, who does control your choices. Also, most of our choices, most of our thoughts, our words, are not our own at all - we only "think" and "do" and "say" what we're allowed to "think" and "do" and "say" by our programming/conditioning. All this is made possible because of the fact that our entire species, meaning EVERYONE without exception, is by design (and by choice at another level) service to self. Vast majority of our actions are in service to the self - though we love to pretend otherwise (once again, wishful thinking and lying to ourselves). Upon contemplation, it is not so hard to realise the truth of that statement. We are in a world of lies, because we prefer lies, and so we get what we ask for.

And the concept of "as above so below" rings true, on many levels. For example, in our own politics, the only reason our government can get away with pretty much anything, is because of our ignorant, idle, complacency - we ALLOW ourselves to be hoodwinked, to be lied to, and to be led. Our own nature predisposes us to being controlled by others by means of deception and fear and false promises of "better future", and any time we try to point the finger to blame someone for leading us all astray, we're always really the ones to blame. No one can be deceived unless they allow for this - this is one of those "golden truths" that oh so many people miss. Our government is a reflection of ourselves. The reason that Americans, for example, are not outraged by the murderous and openly deceptive actions of their own rulers, is because they all ARE just like their psychopathic and murderous governments. They easily believe that "the terrorists are everywhere and are out to get us, so we must secure ourselves to our teeth till we're practically invincible, so that the terrorists, who can be anyone, anywhere, at anytime cannot get us". It is part of our nature to be afraid of practically everything, on a deep subconscious level, because we're constantly concerned for our own survival, and there always exists a "threat" from outside to our survival - and our own natural fears and suspicions of anything "different" from us are played upon by our "leaders", who know us better than we know ourselves. And this single truth persists through all levels of reality, when it comes to the service to self polarity. Service to self just means - concern for the self. Whenever any level of concern for the self is present, there is always a level of fear of "self being harmed", and a desire to "make self feel good" - which often means, prevent harm. And so, although our own egos would never admit it, we're in constant fear, subconsciously, of death, of anything we perceive as being "harmful". And that fear is easily "called out of our subconscious" by such tactics as our government (and many many MANY governments throughout the history of humanity) has performed. We are very easy to manipulate. The movie "The Village" is a good analogy here.

Notice how, whenever we "fight" something in a war, it is always presented to us as the "ultimate evil". Whether it is Communism, or Fascism, and now, Terrorism. It is always this "ultimate, absolute, evil" that must be eradicated at all costs, or we're all doomed. And the leaders never need to present actual evidence of their claims, all they need is to suggest the idea, and perhaps scare the people with what "appears" like an actual threat by carefully "spinning" all news by controlling the media, and many other techniques, to mold our minds to whatever perspective they wish us to have, wish ease. This is also the tactic religions use - they always promise you "eternal pleasure" and threaten you with "punishment" (sometimes absolute punishment, absolute suffering, absolute "harm" - aka Hell). We are ruled by our own fears and desires, because we are self serving entities. And those who have more knowledge than us will ALWAYS rule us with clever lies - until we manage, INDIVIDUALLY, to begin simply QUESTIONING everything, and stop being "reaction machines" who react to external and internal stimuli, without much thought, without much conscious choice. Fear can be a great motivator, but it can also be a huge stumbling block, depending on the situation.

No one can control anyone else, without the one being controlled allowing for it. And control always takes one of 2 forms: Either it comes in forms of threat, or in promises of "future pleasure". And only service to self entities, who are concerned for "self", ever submit to such control - although it's not so black and white, and there are many levels of "service to self" and "service to others".

These are just SOME of the very basics, the very fundemental understandings that one should begin to achieve, before one can learn any "higher truth" - something that is like a "core requirement". And this is something (although what I said has a LOT missing from it, I just don't have the energy to write what you can find yourself if you chose) that you can easily arrive at yourself, but one must be seeking objective knowledge first. And most often, people do not choose the path of truth until they are morally, mentally, emotionally, and possibly physically bankrupt. When they have very little to loose, and when the things they usually would "fall back on" for "moral/mental/psychological/support" begin to crumble, and they begin to see through the lies established for them all their lives - only THEN do people usually begin to ask serious questions about their existance and role in the universe. And luckily, the universe ALWAYS answers - when the questioner is open with NO ASSUMPTIONS or PRECONCEPTIONS or BELIEFS. And that state of openness is usually achieved when one is desperate, when one is literally bankrupt and fed up with the by-now obvious lies he is surrounded with.

Any assumptions/anticipation/beliefs/preconceptions block the receivership capability of any truth, because your mind is made up, and you are not truly asking for objective truth as it is. Also, to really "ask", one must be willing (and doing) work, and putting in EFFORT to seek truth - there is no free lunch. No one will just "give" it to you because you are "special" - one must seek it with his entire being, and he will find it - but only through personal effort. Which is why I always say it CANNOT BE GIVEN - it is READILY AVAILABLE to anyone who is truly OPEN and puts in the effort to FIND IT (it's not HIDDEN as much as it's right in front of our noses, we just choose not to see it). This requires much analysis, much research, much CRITICAL THOUGHT. Something people tend to rely on others for - like when they trust their governments to decide what is "best" for them, or the "scientific community" to tell them how the world works, or the "doctors" to heal them, etc. And as a result, we have completely corrupt governments. A murderous and powerful military industrial complex. Scientists that are very close-minded and full of assumptions, ego, etc - who would not risk their job or "reputations" to question many things, in fear of ridicule and being removed from their cherished "scientific community" which has its own doctrines - and so they don't. And of course, your "medical industry" that would obviously go bankrupt if it cured all diseases, so its job is just to prolong your life by making "living with disease" easier - not to actually heal. In fact, there is much evidence that suggests they are making new diseases, like AIDS, to make even more money.

When will humanity ever learn that THEY are responsible for their own "troubles", for living in a world based entire on LIES at all levels? Sadly, they will not learn. Those few individuals that DO learn will get out of this world, and go to the next one, where they fit, and everyone who fits in THIS world will remain here, until they learn. After all - all there is, is lessons. That's another "truth" that one must simply understand, or it will make little or no sense.





How does the science of ST or LQG relate to your "truth"?


Not "my truth" - just truth. And not one truth, many "truths". I'm interested in truth in all things - just seeing objective reality as it is, with no beliefs/assumptions. Some things are just more "shocking" than others. I'm not very familiar with specific physics theories like String Theory, or SuperString Theory, or many-worlds theory. I have heard of them, and have briefly read certain things, but my knowledge of physics is not really "there" yet to give any opinion worth its salt on the matter. But I know someone who can shed a lot more light on the matter. However, you seem to have a certain "aversion" to anything to do with anyone related to the Cassiopaean material. That's your choice, but Arkadiusz Jadczyk is a respectable theoretical physicist, and is doing a lot of research and scientific work, to figure out this reality through physics, to understand the "paranormal" and the "mysterious" through science. I suggest you take a look at some of his websites, and maybe you will find something that interests you.

www.quantumfuture.net...



4 questions: 3 simple and one abit more complex. You said all one had to do was ask. We shall see. Given the truth that you have barely reached adulthood, Occam's Razor seems very sharp.

Or perhaps reality is just not "simple" - and most "simple" explanations, which prefer simplicity over accuracy, just do not work? As you know, anything you ever learn in life, is due to your own effort and motivation to learn it. This holds true for anything, from things you learn in preschool to your doctorate, and beyond. The more of yourself you GIVE, the more energy/effort you put in, the more you tend to RECEIVE as a result, the more you understand and learn. If you don't have an inner "drive" that motivates you to go into a certain "field", you most likely will not get very far. And so it is with any "higher knowledge" as well - without a clear love for truth, and a strong drive to seek it, you will not get very far - simple curiosity is not nearly enough.



This is not to imply that their are no young and very gifted individuals but merely that the environ in which you reside is telling as are your posts. I'm not holding my breath so don't worry.


Yes please don't, blue is so not your color



posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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Cannot be Given? how may i ask did you find this "higher truth" don't just say I searched for it, tell me where you learnt it.

And I don't want clues or hints or that bollocks if you really are legitiment tell Me.
Oh and please no "Im above you, I'm not going to tell you anything" answers.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 12:02 AM
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I'm sorry lilblam, for being a bit hard on you but your opinions and commentary are solely based on one website's viewpoint of the world and hence lack balance. You neither have nor offer any evidence to support your conjectures in any of your posts including your recent reply so I feel no need to continue our conversation. You are firmly set in your mindset. I had hoped to possibly hear from you yourself but instead received more paraphrasing and cut&paste from www.cassiopaea.org without so much as giving credit or linking your quotes. While you posess a creative level of intelligence for a 19 year old, by not having any backround in physics and putting "all your eggs in one basket" so to speak, this essentially narrows the course of dialog to end. By claiming truth without proof you fall by the wayside and join the many before you that have come here holding out unsubstantiated truths of another's creation.

By "established world view", you imply that I have no free will which is insulting but, given the source, stings little. I would suggest that you temper your truth with a bit more world experience. As to my education.... BSc Honours Applied Mathematics and Physics and BSc Engineering (audio/acoustical) followed by independent research and study. So no, my education is not deeply rooted in the "mind controlling establishment" as you see it. I was taught by some very free thinking individuals. To be quite honest, I read alot of Arkadiusz Jadczyk's papers a while back and found them thrilling and IMO, quite genius. And while some of his wife's articles are thought provoking and entertaining, they are to be taken with a grain of salt as they lack objectivity and balance. The human mind is far too illusory. But contrary to your notion of my opinion, I've enjoyed the site for quite some time.

As to my comment, "Stop and smell the roses" and "Life is what you make it", I meant simply that. Life is too short not to investigate many possible routes and take a moment to relax (introspection and reflection) and maybe enjoy the simple or finer things in the process. Don't be so damn serious...afterall...you'll be dead in 5 or so years.
But it appears you have chosen to believe one idea and, quite frankly, seem a bit too obsessed with it (re: psychosis).


Psychosis is a psychiatric classification for a mental state in which the perception of reality is distorted. Persons experiencing a psychotic episode may hold paranoid or delusional beliefs, experience personality changes. This is sometimes accompanied by features such as a lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of their behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living.


If you had one single piece of evidence that we are not in control of our lives I would love to hear it. I tend to think it is merely the weakminded and lazy that lack the neccessary ability to choose their own reality. But if I am not in control, then thank you to whomever laid this promotion, company apartment in the Caribbean, and groovy salary on me. And I guess even if I was mentaly inept it still would have come to pass as I am not in control, right? It's only because I am in a STO field that I am here on the beach with chilled Absolut in hand, hmmm?

To your rehash of the "time does not exist" theory, I believe I took no issue toward this but by my mere mention of it and your need to refute anything that appears contrary, it blinded you from what I was implying so let me be precise....YOU HAVE OFFERED NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF HYPERDIMENSIONAL BEINGS THAT USE US FOR FOOD OR ANY OTHER QUANTUM THEOREM FOR THAT MATTER, ONLY CONJECTURE AND OPINIONS THAT ARE NOT YOURS BUT FROM THE CASSIOPAEAN WEBSITE. But again, given that you have no background in theoretical physics or mathematics, you wouldn't know truth if it hit you square in the head. You're merely taking someone elses word for it as you are admittedly ill equipped to understand. But I'm sure you will site some quaint little analogy such as "Does a teenager need know how to build an engine to drive a car" or something to that effect. Fortunately, that case holds no weight in the world of theoretical physics.


And when you said aliens, you meant aliens in the classical form as you grouped it with bigfoot, UFOs and ghost so can the bull#e. Your starting to paint yourself into a corner. This is childsplay.

And finally, there is a difference between enticing someone and beating them over the head with "neaner neaner neaner, I know a life shattering fact that you don't and I will not tell you nor will I offer even a small amount of evidence to lend credibility to my claim". Please remember where you are. Not everyone here is under the age of 16 and can be so easily hoodwinked. The majority are here for the very fact that they "deny ignorance" so that kind of puts you in the role of inexperienced overzealous preacher preaching to the choir. Very tiring and for the most part, ludicrous.



edit: still no spellchecker on this site...errr

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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 08:23 AM
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Cannot be Given? how may i ask did you find this "higher truth" don't just say I searched for it, tell me where you learnt it.


He (or is it she?
...the sheer length,rhythm and style of postings seems very familiar to Laura's) paraphrases and cut&pastes info from this site (which is an interesting read nonetheless)--->Cassiopaea.org


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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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lilblam I would like to know your ``travel`` to the revelation that the world isn't like we see it. The things you did that convinced you that it was the truth and no doubt about it.

I'm French-Canadian so my english is not very good...



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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I've really enjoyed these Lilblam posts, really incredible stuff, thank you! I have a B.S. Physics and a glass of red wine, no beach, unfortunately. This is a big assumption but I suspect they are being written by one of the authors of the Cassiopaean website, if not an actual Cassiopaean


I think the point about being forced to seek out the truth as opposed to having the evidence laid out is valid and I've been very intrigued. However, I was wondering if you could clarify the food source issue? When you say we are used as food, do you mean as in high calorie McEarthlings or do you mean we provide some sort of intellectual or otherwise fulfilling sustenance for them? An intellectual crop, for example, a source of spiritual energy?



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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My question is What did you do? What was your path? Did you red some books that waked up you're mind?



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 01:20 PM
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i love Mcearthling never heard this one.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by antipigopolist
I'm sorry lilblam, for being a bit hard on you but your opinions and commentary are solely based on one website's viewpoint of the world and hence lack balance. You neither have nor offer any evidence to support your conjectures in any of your posts including your recent reply so I feel no need to continue our conversation.


You're right, I don't have any evidence for you to look at. And you're right, there is no need to continue the conversation.



While you posess a creative level of intelligence for a 19 year old, by not having any backround in physics and putting "all your eggs in one basket" so to speak, this essentially narrows the course of dialog to end. By claiming truth without proof you fall by the wayside and join the many before you that have come here holding out unsubstantiated truths of another's creation.

Many things can be known just by being patient and applying some critical thought. You already have all the evidence you need, if you only payed attention to objective reality. But you are too busy drinking "chilled Absolut" and receiving your "groovy salary" to notice.



By "established world view", you imply that I have no free will which is insulting but, given the source, stings little.

You have very little free will, but you do have free will. Whether something is insulting is not what matter, but whether something is true does matter.



I would suggest that you temper your truth with a bit more world experience. As to my education.... BSc Honours Applied Mathematics and Physics and BSc Engineering (audio/acoustical) followed by independent research and study. So no, my education is not deeply rooted in the "mind controlling establishment" as you see it.

It is, simply because all "public education establishments" are of the same "ilk". It's not so much what they teach (though often, that is too disinformation), but how they teach, and the environment itself. Attending any "school" or "university", is by implication attending a "mind controlling establishment". Just the very idea that one may think that it's necessary to attend any university or college to get a well-paying job is a blatant lie. Designed to keep you "busy", and to program you even further. But that's something you won't see on "Ripley's Believe It Or Not!".



"Psychosis is a psychiatric classification for a mental state in which the perception of reality is distorted. Persons experiencing a psychotic episode may hold paranoid or delusional beliefs, experience personality changes. This is sometimes accompanied by features such as a lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of their behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living."


Of course that definition is written by those who are convinced that "their" version of reality is "normal", and anything different is "paranoid and delusional beliefs". Convinced that "personality changes" (which come with changes in perception of reality and others) are a sign of a "problem" that needs to be fixed asap. Convinced that "activities of daily living" must be carried out without any problems, at least if you are a "normal person" - otherwise you need to be "fixed" and made into a "normal person"!

Basically what they are saying is, if "they" don't recognize something as "normal" and conforming to their version of what reality is, it MUST be "paranoid psychotic delusion". I see now! *holds out his hands* fine, take me in, I'm guilty.




If you had one single piece of evidence that we are not in control of our lives I would love to hear it.
I tend to think it is merely the weakminded and lazy that lack the neccessary ability to choose their own reality.
But if I am not in control, then thank you to whomever laid this promotion, company apartment in the Caribbean, and groovy salary on me.
And I guess even if I was mentaly inept it still would have come to pass as I am not in control, right? It's only because I am in a STO field that I am here on the beach with chilled Absolut in hand, hmmm?

Yes, you made choices from the limited options available to you in life. Many things, like who your friends are, weren't even your choices, as much as you just "fell into it" because your "personalities" and "likes and dislikes" matched, and they happened to "be in the right place and the right time". But you didn't choose your personality OR your "likes and dislikes" either, you just "happened to have them". How you act is 99% mechanical, you react to things based on your programming. You laugh at things you find funny because that's what you were conditioned to see as funny. You didn't even choose the WAY you laugh. You "fall in love" or "judge something as beautiful" because you were conditioned to see it as beautiful, and that also goes for "ugly". You respond to people in a certain way, you speak in a certain way, you have a set of different personalities to match different situations (one for family, one for friends, one for strangers, etc.). Some things you find "hard to resist", some things you are afraid of, other things make you throw up or sick to your stomach. Once again, very little choice involved in what those things are. But MUCH of what you "do" in life is influenced by such things.

You don't even know why you are in the "career" field you are in, other than, you "fell into it", once again, because that's what you LIKED, that's what was THERE for you to DO (perhaps your father did it, or you just had opportunity to do it as a child, whatever). You don't pick your talents either. You had no choice about going to school as a kid. And as a result of many factors that are out of your control, your choice for career, lifestyle, etc, were decided FOR you, and you are under an illusion that all were your "choices", when most of them were not at all when many factors are taken into consideration that influence you and all your actions and thoughts. You even THINK only what you were conditioned to think, in the parameters in which you are allowed to think, and the thoughts themselves reflect the society/situation you are in, they were shaped/conditioned by many things.

There is so much more here, but no need to say anything more. You are a product, you were "shaped" and "conditioned" and "programmed", and are a completely mechanical being who thinks he has "free will". Ironically, even the fact that you find this insulting was conditioned into you - you didn't CHOOSE to feel "insulted", your own sense of "self-importance" which is related to your "ego" drives much of your actions and thoughts. I'm sure your EGO will object to being called a "product", etc, but once again, it's just another mechanical reaction, among many, with VERY little, if any at all, choice.




And when you said aliens, you meant aliens in the classical form as you grouped it with bigfoot, UFOs and ghost so can the bull#e. Your starting to paint yourself into a corner. This is childsplay.

Please provide the quote, because I think you may be confusing things I said. But the bottom line is, it is not "aliens" in the classical sense that control this world. Not even close. It is "entities", but their nature is so above and beyond anything conceived by humans thus far, that there is no word that explains what this is.



And finally, there is a difference between enticing someone and beating them over the head with "neaner neaner neaner, I know a life shattering fact that you don't and I will not tell you nor will I offer even a small amount of evidence to lend credibility to my claim". Please remember where you are. Not everyone here is under the age of 16 and can be so easily hoodwinked. The majority are here for the very fact that they "deny ignorance" so that kind of puts you in the role of inexperienced overzealous preacher preaching to the choir. Very tiring and for the most part, ludicrous.

Actually, the majority here, just as the majority on this planet, are ignorant to the extreme. The amount of disinformation, lies, and subjectivity on this forum is phenomenal. Even much of the "official research" of this website is designed for one reason and one reason only: to lead astray. I'm sure those who came to "identify" with this website as their "second home" will feel "insulted" by such propositions, but as I said earlier, it is irrelevant whether something happens to be "insulting", what matter is whether it is true. But there are exceptions of course, who may be ready to seriously question reality, who have the right "predisposition" (an open mind, and an objective and critical approach), among other things. And it is to such individuals that I speak, it is for them that I reply to your posts, and it is with them in mind, that I am on this forum to begin with.

And if you are indeed so "tired" of my "preaching", maybe it would benefit you to stop reading it before you are completely exhausted from it?



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 01:08 AM
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The problem for the average 'bipedal chemical factory' is that there is NO evidence. The best one can come up with is circumstantial evidence. But pretty much all circumstantial evidence can be brushed aside with normal mundane reasons.

Basically what happens is the arguments are circular. There is no defining line where one side proves the other wrong. It won't happen. This can be verified by watching most conspiracy threads on this site. Nothing ever comes from them. The believers still believe in whatever they believe in and the non-believers still disbelieve anything that can't be proven. After testing both sides I prefer the middle. For me it makes more sense.

If I can't prove something and base belief on circumstantial evidence I risk closing myself off to other routes on the path of life. I define everything according to that belief. This is subjectivity in all it's beauty. The end result is still looking at the world with a narrow view. And yes, psychosis can set in.

The same basic thing happens when I disbelieve everything that doesn't have proof (which is most everything). My view is narrowed tremendously and I define reality by what everyone has told me instead of looking deeper. Psychosis can set in but since the majority of people are in this group, it's normal. Kinda like if the whole world was insane we would still call it sanity because majority rules.

In the end I only see wasted energy. A closed energy loop that doesn't get replinished with new fuel. It happens to both sides and both sides think they are right. I'm not saying I'm right as I'm pretty sure I'm not. And I certainly can't believe anyone else is right no matter what their position of power or influence.

Both sides would probably see the position as fence sitting. But the view from the fence is a much broader perspective. It's also balanced. And without emotional investment in believing or disbelieving one could have a good chance of being objective. It's usually the emotional investment that keeps us tied to our subjectivity. Just try to explain to a christian that the "evil" they see in others is simply their learned subjectivity.

To conclude I'll put the thread back on topic. I'm sure there are many reasons for suicide. Is there some secret that people find out that's too much for them? For some, just the realization that society is build to benefit a few select people is enough. Or realizing that we are 6 billion alone people. Or any number of emotionally charged realizations. It's not difficult to see in this dog-eat-dog world that friendship is rare and real love is even rarer. So if your motive is to be a consumer robot in a neverending search for comfort then this is your world. If your goal is to experience true humanity then the world is probably already dead to you and suicide might just become your "equal and opposite reaction".

The world is dead to me but I don't care. Suicide is not an option. I still have too much use for this world when it comes to my learning. Remember, you only have free will when you exercise it. Use it or lose it.

I'm off to exercise my psuedo physical freedom. Peace.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 07:45 AM
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Well said Shadow. But there is a difference in the argument between lilblam and myself. He/she claims truth without proof while obscuring the claim with manipulative, sociopsychological rhetoric. It's barefaced to anyone with a modest level of comprehension. lilblam is an intelligent fraud or the recipient of misinformation which he/she has been convinced of and recruited to "spread the word" (come out come out Laura!
) Does he/she have an above average IQ for a young adult? Yes. Is he/she logical? Yes, in a basic, or to be more precise, self-evident way. Do I agree with the idea of finding one's own truth. Of course! But to use conjecture and shroud it with psych 101 to further unsubstantiated claims is, and I say again, ludicrous. I make no claim as to know what is out there and do sit on that proverbial fence on many occassions but it's safe to say that someone whom is fresh out of high school and has seriously comtemplated suicide is probably not in the best frame of mind to reason with or take stock in/argue any sensational claims.

Suicide is a means of escaping and/or giving up on one's life rather than making the effort to address a particular challenge and follow through. It's weakness in it's purest form. Any that deny thoughts of suicide are to be praised and commended as some life challenges are indeed extremely difficult. But believing that one has no free will or control over his or her life and then trying to evidence this idea with hyperbole should be questioned and the site's motto applied.

I was in an anti-establishment (read: hardcore punk
) touring band for 11 years (had videos on MTV in the early 90's too) prior to finishing my degrees and entering my current field. The government would have liked nothing more than for us to just go away as we helped the political alt music scene promote awareness of the underhanded government. I've seen alot of the world and from the age of 10 knew pretty much what I wanted to achieve and planned accordingly. For anyone to say that I had no choice in the matter is just naive, "off in the head", and has no grasp on any sort of reality. Intelligence does not preclude delusion. Get the drool cup ready!

McEarthling...ROTFLOL!


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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:29 PM
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Well said Shadow. But there is a difference in the argument between lilblam and myself. He/she claims truth without proof while obscuring the claim with manipulative, sociopsychological rhetoric. It's barefaced to anyone with a modest level of comprehension.



My "other side of the fence" argument wasn't directed towards you in particular. I do my best to generalize and not pinpoint anyone. That way there isn't an immediate conscious block. To be completely honest I didn't read all of lilblam's posts in this thread. I've read the Cass material so it would be unneccessary. I was just generalizing belief vs disbelief based loosely on the conversation at hand.




lilblam is an intelligent fraud or the recipient of misinformation which he/she has been convinced of and recruited to "spread the word" (come out come out Laura!
) Does he/she have an above average IQ for a young adult? Yes. Is he/she logical? Yes, in a basic, or to be more precise, self-evident way. Do I agree with the idea of finding one's own truth. Of course! But to use conjecture and shroud it with psych 101 to further unsubstantiated claims is, and I say again, ludicrous.



Since you read the Cass material this should come as no surprise. The last sentence above is subjective (the ludicrous part). That is exactly what the governments (with the help of media) do to us everyday. Come to think of it that sentence defines most of what I see on a daily basis. I suppose I'm too used to it to go as far to call it ludicrous. But I agree that you think it's ludicrous and you are certainly entitled to that. The other side is also entitled to it's ludicrousness (as defined by your subjectivity).





I make no claim as to know what is out there and do sit on that proverbial fence on many occassions but it's safe to say that someone whom is fresh out of high school and has seriously comtemplated suicide is probably not in the best frame of mind to reason with or take stock in/argue any sensational claims.



That is a judgement and generalization as I see it. I can't disagree or agree. I think my idea is that it's impossible (given current availability of tools) to argue successfully any sensational claims. It ends up in a circle of logic (or illogic). As far as "taking stock in", even the non-suicidal older people do it. Just look at christians or most any religion. If noone argued sensational claims would this web site exist?




Suicide is a means of escaping and/or giving up on one's life rather than making the effort to address a particular challenge and follow through. It's weakness in it's purest form. Any that deny thoughts of suicide are to be praised and commended as some life challenges are indeed extremely difficult. But believing that one has no free will or control over his or her life and then trying to evidence this idea with hyperbole should be questioned and the site's motto applied.



What if it's not a challenge? What if it's just a big juicy annoyance? What if you see the world as so lame and so contrived that you're left with the choice to jump ship or become a cog in the system? Not everyone can work the system to their advantage and still maintain a semblance of humanity.

It's not that we have no free will. We have free will within a closed system. My free will is to consolidate all sciences, build a UFO and get off this rock for a fortnight. Can't really exercise that free will.

I agree with bringing everything into question. That includes all posts on this thread. I'm not defending anyone. Just adding my perspective to the mix. I give you the same weight as myself or lilblam or Bush or anyone.

I have the free will to....

"Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a #ing big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of #ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the # you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing #ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, #ed up brats you spawned to replace yourself."

Rock on McSapiens!



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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I think I will share this with this forum, because I believe most people on here are fairly reasonable and don't make snap judgments, however some do. This is a personal story of mine for your consideration. A common belief is that people commit suicide because of depression; they are in bad circumstances and have no solution so they solve it. This is not always the case, as I can attest this. I was diagnosed with bipolar and schizo-affective disorder after a suicide attempt, which was unsuccesful. Now, in my rational mind, I cannot explain why I was so strongly motivated to attempt suicide, other than I was under a strong believed delusion that what I was doing was beautiful. I had a lot of hard times preceding this and eventually broke down to the point where I became delusional about my thinking. I began to rationalize religious quotes to the point that I believed that life was a matrix (an illusion) and that my purpose was to show God that nothing - even death - would be too great a sacrifice for humanity. I believed that being equal to Jesus meant the willingness to die for the sins of the world, which is exactly what I did. Fortunately, for alcohol, I passed out before I finished what I started. I spontaneously drove from my home state of Ohio for 5 days all the way to Nevada, only to roam into the desert to slice my wrist. The perplexing thing was, that I never knew what I was going to do until I got there. It was completely unplanned and I had no control. I thank whatever higher power there is that I didn't die, not because death is an end, but because it taught me how precious this life can be. After a failed attempt, I appreciated everything so much more and found more purpose in life. In a way I was testing God and he tested me. In the end, I believe that we were both satisfied with the results, and now I am much better in my mind.

Your mind is a powerful tool, because if it has no conflict, it will make you do whatever you think and believe. Yes, people can commit suicide for no apparent reason.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam
Culture is an interesting thing. There's a cultlre where a little boy must give an old man a blow job and swallow his semen in order to graduate into "manhood". No joke! And you think suicide is weird



Thats the Etoro culture.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:09 AM
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I thought about this thread a few days back and it popped back up. Meh, Karma.

Anyways, I've been interested in this ever since this thread was made. Before, I didn't even realize there was any truth. I wasn't a person who questioned much. I found that someone else I knew who had been suicidal spoke about the same things lilbam has been speaking about. I even showed him some of the posts and he said it was what had made him suicidal. I've been trying to find this truth and it's been so hard. I don't know what to look for. Anything at all can be truth. It drove me crazy the day I found out about this. I took a nap and had this dream where friends I knew and government officials were drawn on paper and came to life, just saying "Lies." over and over again. I tore up all the page and when I woke up, I was really freaked out. I think I'll just wait to find out the truth five years from now. People have told me my mind is pretty weak, so best to live out my life. However, when people tried to explain what the lie is about in here, I didn't get sad, angry, or depressed. I felt like I knew all this information before for years.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:04 AM
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sorry if this is choppy but ill be adding to it as i read through this thread.

As of now im on the 6th page and decided to start after reading the following excert:



Originally posted by lilblam
The thing is, I'm only 19 yrs old, and I still do live with my family, and DO go to college and also have 2 jobs... and therefore I retain my sense of sanity, as there are sane people around me for support, and because otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you here now either.

But this has brought an unbelievable amount of problems and ridicule in my FAMILY alone, the people I trust most and am closest to. Well was anyway, since because of this I'm like an ant inside a beehive.. out of place in my own family. I feel like that absolutely with anyone now, and I no longer have any "friends" as people understand the term. I have more or less people I occasionally "associate" with out of necessity at work etc, but my mindset has been so drastically altered that I find small talk and typical chit chat or whatever people do when they just "hang out" absolutely ludicrous and senseless.

What really hangs like a rock over my head is the absolute ignorance of people, how "truth" doesn't interest them at all. They only care about fun, movies, parties, sex, dating, videogames, reality shows, the latest computers, sports (big one...)... etc.


its almost scary how much this reflects my own feelings and often situations; wereas the only things rooting me to sanity (in some sense of the word) are probably the people around me who when I decide to socialize with seemingly rip me away from any recent discoveries i have found. Mostly when with others, unfortanately people who are ignorant to any sence of the truth around them, its like i am also drawn into there ignorance in which the burden is lifted. This is ofcource until i return to an isolation where i am able to continue my search and questionings.

But i am definately glad i came acrose this post b/c it has restablished a 'want' to learn as much as i can about everthing around me. I really was begining to be drawn back into that 'sleep' as you refer to it. ~And just as i feel like i am coming out of the darkness from the last episode of discoveries that shatered my reality. Thanks alot! (j/k)~ But honestly i do feel better after learning the truths in things and find myself better off overall when i do come to terms with them.

Honestly i connot even begin to comprihend how these other people i know can accually continue living in their delusion little shell of a life and not even allow a chance for the thought to cross their minds as to the truth of it all. It just escapes me how some allow themselves to be spoonfed and still take in it all as it is when it seems so blantenly obviouse that its truely bs. I have wasted all to much energy trying to even spark a bit of curiosity in the minds of others who are just too he!! bent on their sustem of thought to even consider the possibilities. It is enough to make one a recluse, truely!


Originally posted by Scat

Everyone has their superior figure, someone to refute any idea someone else might have. Why? Because they can't do it themselves and they are simply scared to death of different thought. Well, how then, would people accept an idea like The Matrix of Harry Potter? Because its more than a 15 year old kid in your geometry class or a 19 year old college kid with ideas. It's huge multi-million dollar corporation or a phenomena, something you can cling on to because its bigger than yourself.


Equality? You'd be surprised how, truthfully, very few people want it. People want to have a bigger idea, a bigger group, a bigger, stronger force than any individual idea they might have. Why think by your own doctrine and have your own theory on spiritual experiences to discuss with other individual thinkers when you could go have pizza and coke at your church's youth group meeting. That way, you're somehow "saved" and you somehow become superior than anyone with their own opinion.

Killing two birds with one stone, you could say.

wow, exceptionally sumed it up i must say (atleast in my perception)




In relations to the thread: I really have never been suicidal at all. Nor have even ever accually considered it on any level. Ofcource on occasions one does have to ponder the relevence of it all. But truely this though only rekindles my interest in the search for whatever it is strikes my curiosity at the time. So although it may seem a burden, i can honestly say that i would rather be in the know along with all of the emotional trials it brings.










... as it is now 3am and i am only on page 9 i must get some sleep. But will most definatley return to read the rest.



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posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 08:15 AM
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Why cant it be given?
is this some kind of "you can lead a horse to water" type thing
Just please tell me without the hints or whatever



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by antipigopolist
OK OK OK....I'll leave you all alone to contemplate your own demise. My head hurts anyway from banging it on the brick wall that is this thread. The only smart thing I've read in this entire mundane thread is "search for truth". I'm amazed by the sheer lack of fortitude and reasoning. So sit on a fence and enjoy your politically correct pacifism or whine about how the aliens are controlling you, the world will end in 5 years and wallow in defeatism. And damn the torpedoes! The weak are usually the first to go anyway. My colleagues and I have other plans. The people of this beautiful planet are going to see a world one day soon without The Greed Monkey.



antipigopolist -> :bnghd:





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