[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

If they did, I absolutely did not link it to the drones nonsense in ANY WAY..and Im INTO this stuff. Let alone mr.joe public has long since forgotten the 'drones' you think they would remember that to link it to the tv show!? COME ON. No one at fox is gonna spend money without getting their name on it..and NO ONE has claimed the drones nonsense. Its not done by any big corp. I can promise you that.

Thanks for the recap on the show though!

So the question is whether they simply took advantage of the public's "prior knowledge" of the drones and worked it into the series or did they fabricate the drones to develop "prior knowledge" so they could work it into the series?

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So the question is whether they simply took advantage of the public's "prior knowledge" of the drones and worked it into the series or did they fabricate the drones to develop "prior knowledge" so they could work it into the series?

It is a good question and my thoughts were along much the same lines. Perhaps the Isaac/Caret/C2C drones Were all part of a campaign, either as a promotion or means to gauge reaction/acceptance.



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But your not getting it, it pretty much only 'played' to people like us who are into this stuff anyway..if you ask anyone on the street-the general public..they will have absolutely no idea what your talking about. So if what your saying was true, its an utter failure. Therefore I do NOT think its likely, not likely AT ALL.


MAKES SENSE..

Btw that picture is WAAY too over saturated, the sun bloom wouldn't be like that in reality

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

Originally posted by gorgo
So the question is whether they simply took advantage of the public's "prior knowledge" of the drones and worked it into the series or did they fabricate the drones to develop "prior knowledge" so they could work it into the series?

It is a good question and my thoughts were along much the same lines. Perhaps the Isaac/Caret/C2C drones Were all part of a campaign, either as a promotion or means to gauge reaction/acceptance.



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Originally posted by atsbeliever
Btw that picture is WAAY too over saturated, the sun bloom wouldn't be like that in reality

uhm .. tell that to the folks at FOX, it's a screen cap straight from the final episode.

Hi all! I would like to point out that the drones and Isaac could have been a viral marketing scheme for the The Sarah Connor Chonicles (SCC) all along. But then the timing of the campaign got screwed up because of the 2007-2008 writers strike. The delay in production of episodes could have left the viral marketing out in the cold , so to speak, as in to much of a delay to effectively associate the drones to the show. By the time the association is made, the marketing campaign now appears to have a life of its own as a controversial sighting in Ufology that some believe to be real.

The question is whether or not viral marketers would simply abandon such a failed campaign (failure caused by the writers strike and delay in production) and let it fester on the internet as a possible true life event or would they acknowledge the campaign and its failure.

The recent episode with the drones was written by Natalie Chaidez. Perhaps she could offer insight!

Speaking of Terminator, and Arnold, does anyone here know about his first movie?

It was Hercules in New York. They actually dubbed his voice. I think this is before he tangled with Frank Zane who was ripped to shreds and beat Arnold in one of his first Mr. Olympia competions. After that he converted his bulk into shredded muscle and won 7 Mr. Olympians.

I wonder how much he spent to collect every copy of this hilarious film. I only saw it once. He had to start somewhere! But it is hilarious.


Back on topic

Yea and like the ISAAC images havn't been around for like a year before they even made that image! They are just tapping into this hoax!!!!

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

Originally posted by atsbeliever
Btw that picture is WAAY too over saturated, the sun bloom wouldn't be like that in reality

uhm .. tell that to the folks at FOX, it's a screen cap straight from the final episode.

I have a better one for you.

The guy who created this CGI got a JOB at FOX. Terminator producers knew of his work, he cuz he said "Look at my work, its so good people on the net think its real." They hired him... get it? Later on when they needed material for a dying script/story he said "Well why not use my preexisting cgi since people on the net already are aware of it... we can coat tail the show on IT'S popularity already.. AND I OWN IT so you can just pay me for the rights to it.. and I won't even ask much because its a dead hoax and old work anyways."

Because if they just 'chose' to use this stuff without consent of the guy who took the photos or created the origional, they would owe him money - he would come out of the wood work and say "Hey I made this, you owe me for my design." So.. no.. this is just the previous work of a guy who now works for FOX. Think about it, wouldn't you hire the guy who created such a GREAT hoax and then when you needed something for the show later, use his old work when he mentioned it.. cheep source of CGI.

Its a lot more simple and prosaic solution to the whole story. Case closed.

Find out who the CGI guy is for Terminator and you have the guy who made this hoax in the first place.

I don't think, we have found the "makers" of this hoax, but simply found out, how tv shows are made today.

The authors have to write something, which adds to the story before and tell it in an interesting style, keeping the end in such a way, that another author can weave on further.

Obviously they look through the internet - which is not astounding - to find a subject, which is interesting.

I am rather a little astounded, how close they stayed with the Isaac-story. I guess the last episode ended with the three dots? This is the only difference.
And I did not see the writing - maybe Alienware was quicker with the copyrights...

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c

Originally posted by gorgo
So the question is whether they simply took advantage of the public's "prior knowledge" of the drones and worked it into the series or did they fabricate the drones to develop "prior knowledge" so they could work it into the series?

It is a good question and my thoughts were along much the same lines. Perhaps the Isaac/Caret/C2C drones Were all part of a campaign, either as a promotion or means to gauge reaction/acceptance.

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Spot on Gorgo and Moderator, just merely go to marketing sites, look at sarahs, with Buzz clips, any of them.. they are all the time introducing new things, repackaging old things, and EA and Sony have been caught in our forums alredy with this kind of thing.
To deny that is to deny how capitalism BUSINESS works.
We are quite willing to accept the military industrial complex, but deny news, hollywood, ( who did all our propaganda films for wwii for the gov, and in this case case warners Terminator)game and computer makers affiliations in delivering products to us whether it is a laptop designed after superman, or area51 or Dells warcraft? oh nooooooo.
I am looking at this from the standpoint of seeing the drones in march june, like a product release, timed releases, that coincide perfectly with a business plan for maximum exposure and ratings period, ..and then seeing how the appearance of letters and symbols appear on laptops, from june 26 2007..and production of this TV series. and exhibitions by alienware. Once on assembly line they can't stop. A tv producer can..writers strike or not,.
the writers strike started in November 2007 and ended feb 2008
plenty of series are done and never aired,,Rambo was released 10 years after the fact. Its a wonderful life..bombed and re introduced decades later..Market was ready then..
Don't underestimate the power of Hollywood.
Mario Kassar co producer of this new series also did Rambo..stargate
Mario Kassar (Arabic: ماريو كسار‎) (born October 10, 1951 in Beirut, Lebanon) is a film producer and industry executive whose projects are frequently in association with Andrew G. Vajna.

Working for Columbia Pictures and TriStar Pictures, he was executive producer of several movies starting with Victory in 1981. In 1976, together with Vajna, he founded Carolco Pictures where he was executive producer of a large number of movies starting with the Rambo movies, and including many science fiction movies such as Total Recall, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Universal Soldier and Stargate
Curiously, I wonder if the T in the LAP really stood for Terminator, and that 888 reminds me of the symbols in the LAP node..
meaning this is not a simple LEECHING of ufo ideas here in our community..

Nevertheless, They work together..and we have already been hit by them whether in form of a nike cropcircle orr EAs maj12 game by ammo marketing..they test and gauge all the time.Its their business. Duping IS AN INTEGRAL part of the process
Test market, dupes, pawns, thats precicesly what we are..wake up!!
To deny that is sheer lunacy and whoever said that has his head in the sand.
And since the Big three of Ufology are affiliated with this same Movie TV News complex, I want to know what their role was, as they knew well with thos HIres pix in hand, they had a hoax on their hands, and kept selling it, but refused to answer the audience questions and emails. Imo, They knew, had to know and did nothing to help s except selli it some more until they themselves dropped it. But never released the evidence, intended for us .
Its so unethical If we don't demand an get answer we deserve everything we get.
We should not when the opportunity like this comes let it be business as usual


In the meantime here courtesy of fore at om
is a link to the video.
I noted in the in frames at about 800 minutes
pictures that were even more in line with LAP..you recall from the desert shots at the ufo show that they appeared modified.
Here in this sequence they made almost of even the raj shot.

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Hey guys,

Go check out more images that have been FOUND of Alienware's BREED 3D-animated short - the 6 scenes, which 5 have been released (see here: www.alienware.com/breed) in shorter versions - at www.flipshake.com keyword search: YUSNEY

Source claims the images used are the 6 same images used for AW's ads. I also found at the AW website footer (www.alienware.com/breed) that this was created and directed by the same person "YUSNEY" we have additional symbols, but have yet to make out or translate! Goodbye.

F.Y.E.O.

"Its so unethical , its sickening like we are being shaped and molded and force fed
If we don't demand an answer we deserve everything we get.
We should not when the opportunity like this comes let it be business as usual"


Sys, I don't even know if this is a consolation? But did you notice that Spielberg got caught up in that fraud deal along with many other rich and famous. Not that I would have millions or billions to invest but I can't help but think of Karma. So even some of the rich and mighty can be duped.

Seems everywhere you turn there's a scam going on.


The little victories in life are so important, that's what makes us tick.

Allow me that little break. Somehow it is in memory of "Robert from Germany", who's father was fotographed with the president.

If you don't enjoy it, just ignore it. But I did some work, to translate it (could not understand two terms myself):



I am the president
Good day, I greet you!
I am the president
Nice greetings from Bellevue
I am the president
I am waving from the balcony
Oh, there is my heli, too!
I am going to fly away with it soon.
Tatütata, the president!
I am driving with an escort.
I will be going to make speaches today!
I have the power of true words!

I am the president
Much is happening in my life!
I will baptize a ferry today!
And that bottle is so big!
I wish you a merry Christmas!
And a happy New Year!
The boom is there for everybody!
Tralalalala...
I am glad to be on that topping-out ceremony
And the sky is so blue
I am greeting all heart-patients
As representative of my wife

Well, are there no Africans here?
My ladies and gentlemen, dear negroes
Where is today the (?) club
That’s a great colleague
I have to baptize this ferry here now
Where is that ferry here?
I am the patron of this toads tunnel
It is an honour to me

Now here is a greeting to the unemployed
Their fate hits me personally
They think, they are redundant
I feel very similar

Sometimes I am flying in my heli
And I look down on our peaceful country
And than I am so glad, that the youth is researching again
They are researching!

I am the president!
I am your captain
I tell all those heart patients
There must be a wave through all of us!
I am the president
I also interfere!
You are all lazy pigs!
You should be visible at once!

I have to baptize this neat ferry here
That’s done more quickly than you think
I throw that bottle on the ferry
And that thing sinks

I am the president
I am the golden rider
I baptize all those ferries in this world
And I am going on with baptizing!

Sometimes I am climbing into my heli
And I look down and I think: Good grain!
And I am so happy, that the youth is reasearching again!
They are researching!
I am so happy, that the youth is researching again!
They are researching!
They are researching!

I – am – the – pre – si –dent
That’s been a day in my life
I am extremely exhausted
I gave it all
I am going to hush-hush
We are all the same infront of god
I only need four hours of sleep
And I am sleeping them for you!

I am the president


(Could not find another place, where humor is allowed, while the youth is researching.)

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Oh guys thanx for that, and Sidd dear friend, you have not only rythm but soul, as well. I liked Robert! hahahaha. Poor Bren
Yes some mighty brilliant captains of wealth and industry ,as well as pensions, smaller charities and foundations, fell into that web..that was one man Madaff who promised returns like pie in the sky.
You needed special permission to join his club...believe! (and have lots of money already) If he saw you were smart, asked too many questions you could not get in or stay in. Like us at Open minds OMF.
He disgraced himself as a human, and a Jew, by preying on his own people.Most if not all the victims were Jewish.
That one is definitely not over, most he can get is maybe 20 years, out when he is ninety.
It may be safer in jail for him, than outside right now. He still is working the system..and that money, or part of it..is scattered around who knows where.
The analogy for these people who fell, is quite apt here.

and now I am porting the links for an unsung hereo starfire Tor who reached the same conclusions as Aliewnware as I have.
And with the producer of Stargate also the same as this series Terminator,
I am more certain than ever..they worked hand in hand and as I have always thought. Thanx to Jeddyhi for rediscovering her for us.
She did a lot of work .
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Hi guy's

been flicking through the pages with regard to the sarah chronicles having drone stuff. My own opinion is this:




seriously - i think the drone pictures/story has been used by so many people/organisations now (alienware ect ect) that the "hoaxers" are probably kicking themselves for not copywriting it.
I have a theory now that it started as a joke, was then used as a viral marketing campaign which ran out of money/backing from the original company that wanted to use it, maybe they didnt like it and didnt want to pay for it.
The marketing company probably did a lot of work and rather than waste it, pitched some of the concepts to various companys and sold "bits" for different products.

just 2p from me, hope you guys find the original source ONE DAY, i would love to know if my theory has any validility.

see you in another couple of months.....

Originally posted by atsbeliever
for the love of god, its NOT a viral marketing campaign..I have NEVER seen a campaign that does not eventually give the actual product or service recognition..whats the point if it doesn't do that?! Ok end of story there.

The video game Shadows of the Colossus had a HUGE high cost multi video viral campaign that was NEVER gave the "actual product or service recognition". There are many others.

Alienware just ripped off the designs of this stuff, its a pale imitation and frankly doesn't look as good, anyone can see that. Ok end of story there.

Sorry, just because you say "end of story" doesn't mean it is. However, I happen to agree with you on this alienware.

I am however convinced this is just a plain old HOAX, no ties to dell, fox or anything else. Any gumbo with Alias Maya, Max or Lightwave could have made & rendered these objects with Mental Ray. Period.

So fox simply added the drone storyline to the series because they didn't know what to do next and they thought the drone looked cool, or what?

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I would love to let alienware off the hook, blame it on the kid next door, but its not one person or group, they said in a second email..have the intellectual rights, and stardock said as much in their email to me..
I am shocked at them not coming out publicly and disavowing any connection simple and done with...and just saying what they initially said in their first email, they just saw it on the internet after June 26, 2007and rolled out their use of the symbols and lettering , complete with contest and laptops afterwards.
Sorry, too much there to ignore. Their second email, to a member here Fil000, contradicted the first email..In it Fill0000 wanted to use the designs on a line of computer hardware he produced..but they said no...they had intellectual rights, and were not allowing its use anywhere at the current time. except we know..the isaaccaret site where the story originated. Sure other sites use their letters, but we are talking about a genuine licensing issue that was denied..why is that. And thats a far cry from just seeing and using it. and quite well I might add. So they lied and are tightlipped..
Not a good thing.
If the hoaxters were kicking themselves.for not havig copyrighted.why have they not come out, unless... they were someone already really well known, what embarassment could result?..? College kids would have come out by now, claiming bragging rights, Who is that well known that can keep minor major players collectively so quiet.for so long?
I think thats where the answer is..
Ironic and comical if its a b c d or E all of the above.
It won't be long now..before we know.







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Howdy Fellers,

Interesting work, as usual. I've been checking in from time to time. That's some serious investigation there, Sys, into the Alienware thing. Literally, even physically, looking into the laptop model in question!

Some good ideas here lately. The timing of the writers strike seems a little too much like a coincidence, what with all the other show biz connections we seem to be coming across. I have thought for a long time that we are probably looking at a viral marketing stunt that went feral because the perps didn't really understand the forces they were screwing with. If a big studio owned it, and it threatened to cause a backlash, then the big studio would do whatever they could to keep the source hidden. They might even have sold the whole mess to Fox.

AW had time to incorporate "borrowed" internet memes, maybe, but only just enough time. Their behavior is suspicious. I suppose they might be trying to avoid any discussion involving copyrights because they don't really own them, but neither AW nor Dell seem that sloppy with intellectual property. They could have an agreement with Fox whereby they allow Fox to use the images and basic story in exchange for some sweet pricing on advertising. "Dude! You got a drone!"

Sorry, too much there to ignore. Their second email, to a member here Fil000, contradicted the first email..In it Fill0000 wanted to use the designs on a line of computer hardware he produced..but they said no...they had intellectual rights, and were not allowing its use anywhere at the current time. except we know..the isaaccaret site where the story originated. Sure other sites use their letters, but we are talking about a genuine licensing issue that was denied..why is that.

One could assume Alienware would say no. Even if they didn't have intellectual rights before they do now simply because no one is contesting it. Until someone steps forward and claims origination then Alienware can say whatever they want.

The part that you state says "at the current time" leads me to think that this "Isaac" person is either waiting for the right time to step forward and claim rights after said companies use the designs thus garnering a possible large sum of cash settlement - or - has approached Alienware and leased out parts of the created artwork. Assuming the property rights they are referring to is the symbol design only and not the entire fortunecity content. This "leasing" could be kept quite secret due to disclosure release forms however that does not hinder those that feel they need to leak such information at risk of their jobs such as outsourced designers for Alienware etc... Someone at some point would recognize the popular art and perhaps become displaced at their company's tactics.

However I don't see this fitting into the TSCC series. I feel the writers borrowed this interesting story. I look forward to see how they handle it.

This theory might be plausible due to the instructions on the fortunecity website:

They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free, PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL.

This in effect has instituted a copyright.

§ 1310. Application for registration (a) Time Limit for Application for Registration. — Protection under this chapter shall be lost if application for registration of the design is not made within 2 years after the date on which the design is first made public. (b) When Design Is Made Public. — A design is made public when an existing useful article embodying the design is anywhere publicly exhibited, publicly distributed, or offered for sale or sold to the public by the owner of the design or with the owner's consent.

If Alienware didn't get permission, tsk tsk...

4.117 Many statutes qualify “reproduction” with some such phrase as “or substantial reproduction.” The question of what is “substantial” will again depend on the facts and circumstances of each case and will be for the court to assess. It has been said in a leading case that “the question whether the defendant has copied a substantial part depends much more on the quality than the quantity of what he has taken.” And in another case “what is worth copying is prima facie worth protecting.”

If this is the case then an ingenious one at that. It could be viewed as a pretty large heist. Throwing out the bait carefully to see who or what bites. Would take a team of dedicated people.

- Just a theory -


sources:
www.copyright.gov...
www.wipo.int...
isaaccaret.fortunecity.com...