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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by newtothis
I figure this is pointed towards me


[satire] No, I never saw you write anything important, neither here nor there. You are just a fish swimming by.

We had a lot of fish in this story! They look all the same to me. [/satire]

[Serious] We all must see the big fish in this story! [/serious]




posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by spf33

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
Almost like he's been practicing.


like i said at least 3 times now. i'd have to be a complete idiot to not expect this.
i was just hoping it would have went down with a bit more respect and tact.
this all could have been done with my wishes of keeping my name out of it.

but now that i know the depths of the morals here i shall further act accordingly and will not hesitate to share my opinions that something is fundamentally wrong with how ats treats and allows its members to be treated.

i just really can't wait to rub this all in your faces.

hello? possible hoaxer? save me from this madness and rain down truth to those that have besmirched my good name!


A good name does not have to hide, else how would we ever know of the good works or if he is really good at all.? It was nice taking pot shots at Biedny and Wayne, and the others. Now you can't do that without fear of retaliation or kick in the pants. Good for you. You wanted attention. Now you shall receivve what you asked for many times over... Any pea brained person like myself as you call me can do a quick ip search and realize who owned the site you said you left for us a year ago.
So what is wrong with discovering in a very legal search your name was such and such Can anyone tell me is that a crime.?Maybe not famous but talented yes. You said you knew we were coming, yet you act so "hurt".
My tact has been better than recieved by your comrades since the day I and my firends expressed a different idea. Now I am besmirched and a friend hurt financially. Others would say, what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. That is not my intention. I just Research, and put on the table, eat or get up and walk away. All we say is you could be the hoaxter, or maybe the illustrator for the DRT book, or dvd. such a nice collection of analysis. The interest though, is not the truth.

Still, Perhaps now you will be famous standing "toe to toe"with the "Big Boys" yes? Your Boss man or partners may even give you a raise! I hope so. You deserve it for such a performance.
I thought you should know the domain expires july 16 2008. Dont forget.
It would be sad to see it disappear. Its a good site for an old site Kudos!
The thing about rain SP is it does tend fall on the wicked as well as the just .

Good Day

admin edit: Sys we don't allow our member's personal information to be posted publicly PERIOD.


[edit on 12-6-2008 by Sys_Config]

[edit on 6-12-2008 by Springer]

[edit on 12-6-2008 by Sys_Config]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Sys_Config

A good name does not have to hide, else how would we ever know of the good works or if he is really good at all.?


well, now we all know, don't we.
you couldn't tell that from the 200 illustrations i've posted on imageshack, you had to play the dramatic tada?



It was nice taking pot shots at Biedny and Wayne, and the others. Now you can't do that without fear of retaliation or kick in the pants. Good for you.


and i will continue to do so when i honestly disagree. the potshots come from some part of me that likes to balance the arrogance and chest thumping.



You wanted attention. Now you shall receivve what you asked for many times over...


sure, fame whore. i like it, i like it. we'll check the logs tomorrow and see.



Perhaps now you will be famous standing toe to toe with the "Big Boys" yes?


even more so if the drones are ever proved real, thanks.



Your Boss man or partners may even give you a raise!


doubt it. the potential is much higher for getting canned (read this 2 or 3 times). thanks, sys!



I thought you should know the domain expires july 16 2008. Dont forget.


no, i wont. it's on autopay. since 2001. thanks.



It would be sad to see it disappear


it would be, but it wont dont worry.




[edit on 12-6-2008 by spf33]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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EVERYBODY CHILL

Sys_config DO NOT post another member's private info (and I don't care where you found it) on our site please. We don't do that here.

spf33 I can tell you that I don't know your real name so dim the dramatics okay?


Seriously, this is just getting stupid.

It's HIGHLY unlikely spf33 is "THE" hoaxer...

"allisone" LOVES to drop his "bombs" but he is more like a shotgun than a precision rifle.

sys is VERY dedicated to this cause and is VERY passionate about outing the HOAXER.

EVERYBODY needs to CHILL OUT NOW.


Let REAL facts weigh not hyperbole or fantasy.

Thanks.

Springer...



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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Ok,

So I click on SPF33's name and see that he only flagged 0ne other thread on ATS which happens to be another drone topic. The creator of that topic is named RedStar11. So I click on RedStar11, and find out that this person is a very avid fan of C2C. Anyway, I also find out RedStar11's only friend is onthefence55. So I check out onthefence55's profile and his only flagged topic is this 0ne. I also found out his favorite website on his profile is DroneTeam.com.

So, to learn more about onthefence55 I click his post's button on his profile. Turn's out he does most of his talking only on this topic. So I click "thread posts" next to the Drone topic, and start to re-read all of onthefence55's posts. It turns out he has the same exact posting style as spf33.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When onthefence55 is talking to people he uses that "@ enternamehere" symbolism (which is against T&C).


Originally posted by onthefence55
@DNS ...
@sidreader ...
@PK, ...
@Uncle SYSCO ...
@kaltu & DNS ...


Then I realised, HEY! SPF33 DOES THAT TOO!:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Originally posted by spf33
@sidd -
@1111-


Mighty big clue here, I really don't know many people who use this style of writting, and I have been on forums for a long time. Writing styles like this usualy come natural and the person doesn't even realize they are doing it.

-------------------

So... now I somehow managed to come full circle in my investigation just by following the names, and in the process I even uncover a die hard fan of C2C (RedStar11). Also, if you read onthefence55's posts, it all seems like a giant advertising campaign to get all traffic diverted from ATS to the DroneTeam website.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Could this entire hoax be simply to get traffic to a website? Or even to enhance the portfolio of a CG artist?


Redstar11
SPF33
onthefence55

---edit--
fixed link

[edit on 12-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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Seems to me there are several possibilities considering what's been shown in the last few days:

1. SPF is indeed the hoaxer (Considering his earlier work and the dronelike and isaacesque style of it)

2. SPF is being framed by the hoaxer (using SPF's work as inspiration)

3. The drones are real and SPF's psychic intuition miraculously created so much similar dronelike material years before the drones appeared.

Just thinking out loud.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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Well ALLisONE,buddy, you are very WRONG about them all being the same. spf33 is NOT the OTF, they both have VERY different, ISP (not proxy) IP addresses my man.

For the record, I use the "@username" quite often and it's not against our TAC. "txt speak/shorthand" is against our TAC but not that.

Springer...



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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Agreed, No more personal data, That was getting silly and very Unsys of me. will take a couple of days off to regain perspective.
In the meantime...Welcome to ATS SPF33! youv've passed hell weekend!

Allisone I use that to @ to catch eye of person. I wasnt aware it was against rules Thanx .

It saves me from going 1 2 3 on answering several people.

Droneteam spends more time on OM than there. They took a poll there how many for or against drones, I think less than 30. for a site with 2000 So we are waiting for the latest designs by the artists to show up sometime soon and LMH to rework the story a bit. as well. George will be on standby . And maybe whitley will be standing off to the corner somewhere, whistling a nice tune.

Someone complained about the number of suspects we have looked at, a. They are leads thats all. Spf 55..no..we move on.
at least we vette ours versus nearly 20 missing witnesses, and confused unreliable witnesses, as well as none existent experts. No one on the "other side seems concerned thats necessary for a story and that we are being "too hard" and "unfair" calling it a hoax. I am glad they are over there and we are over here.

Good night all
cyas in a couple of days

PS SPF33, "tada" ..i havent heard that in a while..
Peace all.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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Ok thanks for the intel my friend.

Wish I knew if I was hot or cold on Redstar11 though.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:24 PM
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I don't believe that spf is the hoaxer.

I also don't believe that it is unreasonable for us to consider suspects.

We have to remember that ufo hoaxing is a not a crime, although it is morally repugnant.

We have to try to remember that 2 wrongs don't make a right...the ends do not justify the means.

I doubt that this hoax is the work of one person alone.

If we look at motive...the desired outcome...what has this hoax achieved to date?

Just talking out loud here.

LMH has been further discredited....the ufo community has been effectively fragmented more than it was before...although one would think if these were the objectives, it was a waste of time. These were the case before anyway.
To hoax just because one can, is usually some type of attention seeking device. These hoaxers claim credit at some point.

Who were the people that hoaxed LMH before?

If she realized she was being hoaxed again, does not this explain the reason she clammed up for months?

I wonder if James Carrion could shed any light on the previous times LMH has been hoaxed?

Still think we need to examine the motive for this hoax further

[edit on 6/12/2008 by murnut]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by murnut
I don't believe that spf is the hoaxer.

IIf she realized she was being hoaxed again, does not this explain the reason she clammed up for months?

I wonder if James Carrion could shed any light on the previous times LMH has been hoaxed?

Still think we need to examine the motive for this hoax further

[edit on 6/12/2008 by murnut]

Hi Murnut ! welcome back . Thank you for the comment to, its just straightfoward going thru leads and we have done it pretty much in the open and not closed doors. So if one doesnt pan out , its not a disaster for us, its one rt we dont have to go back to.

Yes, That might explain her religious zeal to prove these real, even if she has to bury Isaac with a thousand "other flaky sightings and witnesses. She actually was imploring on c2c please email or call her. If thats not begging for a problem . I don't know what is. One thing for sure she is not surrendering those pix, and hopes by witness 88 we will have forgotten.
she's probably right unfortunately.

Great to see you man



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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Sp about that account...It is strange that it was hijacked hours after the upgrade...I do not think that you are a culprit but maybe just strong in your convictions of your evidence...
So I ask nicely of course to think long and hard about the exact thing that you did in upgrading the account and where you posted that info and with whom you had told privately that you were going to upgrade that account or told that you had upgraded that account....All this would have taken place within hours..The time frame being The upgrade and the time you told someone.....Myself I do not want to know or do not want you to post it or anything..I am just saying think about that for a bit and see what you can come with....By the way look up Myspace and Phishing..I think the latest one was over 10,000 account numbers that were stolen.....But this is just to much of a coincidence on that flickr account to be part of a phishing or spoofing ring.....

I see the internet this way..In order to be safe online you have to know this stuff...

[edit on 12-6-2008 by CFandM]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by CFandM

So I ask nicely of course to think long and hard about the exact thing that you did in upgrading the account and where you posted that info and with whom you had told privately that you were going to upgrade that account or told that you had upgraded that account....


no, i didn't tell anyone i was going to upgrade.

i thought i did it later at night. maybe curiosity
got the better of me, though.

this is in my gmail inbox;


date Mon, Jun 4, 2007 at 4:22 PM
subject Receipt for your Payment to Flickr
mailed-by paypal.com
signed-by paypal.com

Dear S***********

This email confirms that you have paid Flickr $24.95 USD using PayPal.
This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as "PAYPAL *FLICKR".

Payment Details
Item Price: $24.95 USD
Total: $24.95 USD
Order Description: 1 Flickr Pro Account(s)
Buyer: S*********

Business Information
Business: Flickr
Contact E-Mail: help@support.flickr.com

Receipt Number: 2998-7906-7893-4395


the only place i announced the upgrade was at omf and i sent rajman1977 a flickr pm which i posted, so whatever time that was.

i emailed no one, i im'ed no one, i called no one, i did not post on other forums or blogs.

i believe my original post was part of the first omf server crash.

all the above info has been already been posted on omf, fyi.


[edit on 12-6-2008 by spf33]



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Like most of us here, I was there when all that happened. It seemed awfully convenient for something like that to happen to a "witness," being an excellent reason for Raj to freak out, as it were, and disappear. The exchange you have posted here between Raj and various others at OMF does not seem to support that idea. Raj did, of course, soon vanish.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 10:35 PM
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Wow, there is lots of information in these places:

youtube.com...

profile.imageshack.us...

also, this 0ne has some interesting pictures:

www.divshare.com...

Be careful, there is nudity on 0ne of those pics in the above link. Wouldn't want to view that at work.

Hey Sean (SPF33), you have so much data here that I find it very hard to believe you still think the drone is real...

It's going to take me a few hours to go through all of this data pixel by pixel. Is all this data available on the other websites? Also, what is the point of all the YouTube videos?

I'm very curious.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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Good to see you, Mur! Thanks for the thought provoking post.

It's not hard to find the Usual Suspects in the campaign against LMH. I do believe she has been thoroughly worked by the Aviary outfit over the years, but there are several reasons I don't think they are involved here. I might get into those later. I have a hard time feeling sorry for her because like spf33, the drone thing has put her in a bad predicament, but neither has anyone but themselves to blame. I think you are right about the reasons she is quiet now. She has the DRT running rear guard duty so she can do her usual thing and pretend everything is fine and go on to the next sensation. Her standing in the UFO community was very shaky before all this, now it does not seem to exist. I haven't even seen her mentioned anywhere recently, but I don't get around in that realm like I did in the past.

The lack of cooperation and straight answers from so many parties in this circus has caused no end of trouble. Like many others, I see it as a bad sign. The standards of evidence and investigation have been flouted to the point that newcomers to the field are likely to be unaware of them at all, and that is just sad. People just look around until they hear what they want to hear, and that's that. Critical thinking is rare enough in the general population, and with so many people calling themselves investigators when they don't know the first thing about evidence or proof, or even acceptable interviewing techniques, it just turns into a huge clown act.

But back to motive. Hmmmm. Money? That seems to be the only thing most folks think about these days. Maybe that's too easy.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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Like others here, I was there (on OMF) when all this happened. I've summarized my thoughts elsewhere too, but for completion's sake, here's what I remember and think happened both in front of and behind the scenes around that time (unfortunately, a number of posts were lost on OMF):

-"Raj" creates and uploads his pictures to his Flickr account. Like all free Flickr accounts, no one is able to download the original pictures (with original EXIF data)--only lower-resolution images.

-There is talk at OMF that someone should upgrade Raj's Flickr account to make his original pictures available. To be honest, at that time, even though I had been a Flickr user for some time, I had no idea someone could "gift upgrade" someone else's account without the recipient's knowledge or acceptance of the gift. I don't think the hoaxer was aware of this either...

- spf33 announces on OMF he's upgraded Raj's Flickr account and the original pictures are now available. A number of people download these, and, among other things, notice there is a "Photoshop CS" tag in the metadata, which is, to say the least, somewhat suspicious (Photoshop CS is a program mostly used by professional photographers/retouchers).

- Within hours, Raj's Flickr account is "hacked" or "hijacked" or simply modified to remove the drone photos and replace them with a pornographic picture.

- Shortly thereafter, Raj's account is removed from Flickr, probably due to TOS violations because of the pornography.

At the very least, the "hacking" of the account is a strange coincidence--so quickly after it was upgraded. It is almost as if the hoaxer panicked and thought that was the quickest way to take the account down--he simply didn't want the original pictures up there, for whatever reason. Of course, the pictures had already been out there long enough for people to download, and discover they had gone through Photoshop--I wonder if there was/is anything else to discover...



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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That's how I remember it, too.

A hoaxer in that situation would not have many ways of closing the account while trying to make it look like someone else did it.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Be careful, there is nudity on 0ne of those pics in the above link.


yes. that is the image that was found on rajman1977's flickr account after the hijack.


I find it very hard to believe you still think the drone is real...


i don't believe it's real. i currently believe the possibility exists.



It's going to take me a few hours to go through all of this data pixel by pixel. Is all this data available on the other websites?


you have fun. much of the divshare and imageshack content are the same.



Also, what is the point of all the YouTube videos?


um. the point. well? ...i guess that would be to...um put, um, you know...videos online for personal or public viewing?



I'm very curious.


of this i have no doubt.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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and does anyone recall who announced the hijack?



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