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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Sys_Config
Wayne presented several scenarios, and his conclusion is based on his experience as well as that of others in the field.


several? boiled down to the hoaxer did it on purpose as to not apear too perfect. and hoaxer forgot to rotate the nubs.



Every time marvin or sqt makes a showing, the bar seems as he says to be raised.


believe me, i would love if someone came up with something that i just
absolutely couldn't find a logical and\or likely argument. marvin has the unique distinction of being someone who i never really understand their point, it's like a challenge with him in particular. but i don't think i've seen the bar raised by either.



In addition, An expert came to your sight as an expert, but gives no credential other than his ufo collection and work to LMH?

not my site and i have no idea who the guy is. but his opinion, just like the slide carousel expert, is just as weak.



I don't like name calling, but sp how do you expect average reasonable people to react.


i have no idea and i don't care.



It is indeed a true spectacle and you dont see it. .


hey, i wont discount this possibility. but i think i have shown here at ats, omf and droneteam, that i am a reasonably talented and intelligent guy who is likely to chase rainbows only where there is a storm and sun at the same time.



Here these people give their name and their history is an open book , but no so for anyone over there.


mayhaps. but i feel comfortable knowing all the drt members names and personal emails.




posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta

but did you also look at the texts? I won't repeat myself another time, showing all the holes in Isaac's explanations.


yes, i've looked at the text. and i don't find anything that is absolutely impossible to beleive thus discount entirely. but i'm the pretty picture guy, i don't feel qualified to speculate on how the us military operates.



It was proven by the DRT, that Chad lied about the region, where the phtotos were made


yes and so did i. i used to live in la for 10 years, i knew the area wasn't bakersfield. but because chad tried to hide his true location doesn't expose a hoax to me.



It was proven by the DRT, that the Ty-photos were not shot in Big Basin, but rather some distance away.


i have friends live in san fran area who routinely call ty's location the big basin area\park.



It was proven by the DRT, that Chads first photo was flipped, although numbers had denied it before and even had stated, this was worked out already before.


and because a photo was somehow flipped in the transfer from cell phone to pc exposes a hoax how exactly? so numbers was wrong, who cares.



What do YOU have to add, but your denial of the things other people find?


you're kidding me right? what do i have to add?
sheesh.




YOU are just explaining away things,


only when i believe i see a counter point that is just as strong as the original argument.



YOU demanded proof of David Biedney's experience... But who are you?


i just wanted to know about the guy. who i am is of 0 importance. the drt knows exactly who i am, my name, where i work, etc and you all can see the logic and reasoning behind every drone illustration i've done.



You are just a poster, who followed the believers and even if you try to look serious, you are just an avatar, who say, he tries to see both sides - usually posting at a believer's site and only coming here, to question other's works without anything in hands.


this is not true, well...i am just a poster, i guess. but i followed thru on 1111's original claim here of missing shadow in pict 16 and and backed up his conclusions.



I bet, Leviathan has one for you...


i like lev. not too sure about the devil crap tho...



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 07:16 PM
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Whatever it is, I got invitations to some Zebo list in Frisco the whole evening. I put it on the ignore list.

Was not really related to you. But you present yourself as a little too important for my taste. Make me rich and famous and we will give the drone ride the final paint.

...or I will have to go on the way I did before.

Edit: Just saw, that spf replied very meticulous. THIS answer was to nfotech. Will be back as soon as possible. It's late night here now.

[edit on 10-6-2008 by Siddharta]



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta
Whatever it is, I got invitations to some Zebo list in Frisco the whole evening. I put it on the ignore list.

Was not really related to you. But you present yourself as a little too important for my taste. Make me rich and famous and we will give the drone ride the final paint.

...or I will have to go on the way I did before.


Other than responding to a direct challenge issued by the DRT I'm doing my best to stay uninvolved - period. I'm not hunting the hoaxer, I'm not trying to solve any mysteries. I just find the entire thing hilarious at this point.

Considering Tomi picked you out to send the handcuffs to I would guess they have a special place in their little hearts for you. If you want to ignore the psycho behavior that's your prerogative.

I DO have other things to be working on, like getting a business off the ground and wrapping up work I committed to deliver. The only thing I give any importance to is the research project, everything else - including this drone case and it's drama is a distraction. You make a good point though, I have given it way too much of my time. I think it's time to correct that mistake.

Good Luck w/ the hunt. Bring em back tied to a stick for me.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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Man, this is just like arguing with some Jehovah's Witnesses or something. Utterly pointless.

This question has been asked many times before, but I'll give it another try. For the believers:

What sort of evidence would convince you the drones were hoaxed?

Answer with as much detail as you please. If anyone touches this question, it will be the first time that I know of.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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It was proven by the DRT, that Chads first photo was flipped, although numbers had denied it before and even had stated, this was worked out already before.


and because a photo was somehow flipped in the transfer from cell phone to pc exposes a hoax how exactly? so numbers was wrong, who cares.




HUH

First time I ever heard of PART of a photo being flipped in transferring a pict from a cell phone..Are you sure you understand your statement correctly and the impossibility of that statement....And are you sure you understand all the evidence that has been presented on this site and elsewhere...This reminds me of some of the companies I used to deal with...Also the statements that they made when they were found out..............Statements that made no sense...Closing their eyes to the real possibility that they themselves have been duped by others for their own personal gain...For their own 15 sec of fame and attention...For the green and the glory......



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
For the believers:
What sort of evidence would convince you the drones were hoaxed?


Firstly I'm not a believer, I have come to the conclusion it is a hoax on the balance of probability taking into account the images, the text, the sequence of events etc etc.

Much excellent image analysis has taken place, recently with the "screws" and previously regarding shadows, however none of it absolutely 100%conclusive and excluding any other possibility however remote.

Depending on where you sit on the scales of reality will depend upon the tipping point of the balance of probability, I suspect that to be the ultimate answer to your question but it may be better answered by a believer.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
Man, this is just like arguing with some Jehovah's Witnesses or something. Utterly pointless.


wierd that we both feel that of eachother...



What sort of evidence would convince you the drones were hoaxed?


canon or minolta after analysis of raj and steven's photos declare unequivicaly that they are 100% not from their hardware.

hoaxer steps forward with original untouched background photos and all neccesary 3d\practical models and an outline of the steps take to produce the final image.

those are just 2 off the top...


Originally posted by CFandM

First time I ever heard of PART of a photo being flipped in transferring a pict from a cell phone..


be nice if someone found an example of this happening online someplace, i wouldn't be surprised...

my point being is that how are any of us to know the path the jpg took from the moment of shutter release to the upload at c2c. do you know?
are you sure lex, chad, his wife, his friend, his software, etc aren't responsible for the flip?

you are free to believe the flipping was some hoaxing tactic and i am free to believe there is an alternate explanation give the facts that we know right now.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by CFandM

First time I ever heard of PART of a photo being flipped in transferring a pict from a cell phone..


be nice if someone found an example of this happening online someplace, i wouldn't be surprised...




The only problem with that is this flip is not some random flip..Even if you found somewhere in net-world an example of this I would say that you would be hard-press to find that it only flipped a certain part of the image...Understand your subject before you study them.......



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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So what is your take on the "bolt" thing specifically, Pretty Picture Guy? Optical illusion, gravitonic distortion, or something else? Forgive me if you have posted this already and I have missed it.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by CFandM
you would be hard-press to find that it only flipped a certain part of the image...Understand your subject before you study them.......


ok, perhaps i am misunderstanding something and have been too wrapped up in other details. my understanding is that the entire image was flipped, not just the drone. past that the orientation of the drone was\is open for debate.


Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
So what is your take on the "bolt" thing specifically...


bolt thing? which?



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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This, a couple of pages back.


reply to post by the secret web
 



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by spf33

are you sure lex, chad, his wife, his friend, his software, etc aren't responsible for the flip?

you are free to believe the flipping was some hoaxing tactic and i am free to believe there is an alternate explanation give the facts that we know right now.


I can't be absolutely sure I'm really here typing this but basing my opinion on the facts available .......

How do you know lex, chad, his wife, his friend, his software, etc aren't responsible for all the images full stop ?

I'm not meaning to be argumentative but really, if the ARC had a hoax FAQ that comment would be right up there.

What are the facts you know right now that may give rise to an alternative explanation for the flipping (and apologies if the discussion has/is taken/taking place elsewhere, thanks for bringing it here) ?



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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I was on a mountain bike ride one time, and I had my camera strap around my wrist, and then my buddies all got to going really fast, and we came to a rough patch of rocky mountains and the camera bounced around and hit the handlebar multiple times and put a bruise on my forearm. That camera never worked again, but the SD card was okay, or at least looked okay. When I got it home and put in the card reader, all the photos were there, but they were all upside down and sideways and inside out. I asked the guy at the camera repair shop about that and he said it happened all the time. I said I thought you really kind of had to tell some software program to flip a picture around, but he said sometimes his own pictures came out backwards if his computer was in a bad mood. He was a nice guy, and didn't even charge me for looking at my camera.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by chunder

How do you know lex, chad, his wife, his friend, his software, etc aren't responsible for all the images full stop ?



i don't know. thus this post, probably your posts, and probably all the posts across a dozen forums by thousands of people.

you'd be happier if i did assume so?



What are the facts you know right now that may give rise to an alternative explanation for the flipping...


chad flipped it on purpose or accident
his wife flipped it on purpose or accident
lex or some producer who answers the mail flipped it (did anyone ever ask lex if he flipped it, seems to me someone did and he said no) on purpose or accident.
the cell phone flipped it on accident.

i guess that would be it.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
This, a couple of pages back.


ah that, sorry.
head on over to omf and take a look. i don't feel comfortable re-posting it here.



[edit on 10-6-2008 by spf33]



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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I'll bet the D-Team's Optical Delusion Specialists are being heavily recruited by the Serpo promoters. They can warp time and space with the best of them. If there ever was an outfit desperately in need of someone highly experienced in Explaining Away absurd discrepancies and logical arguments, it has to be the Serpo people. I'd bet they have plenty of work for the entire D-Team. That would be a fairly graceful way out for them. They have been claiming to have proven the Drones Are Real for some time now. They can just hop on over to Serpoville and set up shop, promising to come back to straighten out 99.999% of the people who have an opinion on the drones when time permits. I can't think of a better fit. They can even take Adamski with them, because I doubt that even the Serpoans have thought to tap that well of credibility.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:50 PM
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Please delete this post, got the quotes stuffed up.

[edit on 10-6-2008 by chunder]



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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In answer to your query my happiness isn't affected by anybody elses assumptions.

You then listed, under the heading of facts, pure conjecture as to how the image was flipped.

They are not facts, the fact is the image was released flipped, how it was flipped is currently not known, neither is for what purpose or even if there was one.

It is not conclusive proof either way of anything, just adds to the body of facts that help individuals take a view on a subject. I thought from your previous comment you had some facts which led to a particular conclusion as to why or how the image had been flipped.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by chunder
You then listed, under the heading of facts, pure conjecture as to how the image was flipped.


i did. had i read closer and not been keeping track of 3 boards i would have qualified it.
pure conjecture? not really. pure conjecture would be assuming little tiny little green drone pilots flipped the cell phone image with some crazy quantum ray gun. i made a list of the reasonable possibilities based on all the available information, i guess.



It is not conclusive proof either way of anything, just adds to the body of facts that help individuals take a view on a subject. I thought from your previous comment you had some facts which led to a particular conclusion as to why or how the image had been flipped.


agreed.
and we do no have knowledge of how or why the image was flipped.

[edit on 10-6-2008 by spf33]




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