[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX], page 30
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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 03:41 PM by osaitax
On a side note, the linguistic analysis primers remind me somewhat
of particle collision traces from ion colliders (if only because of the spirally design):


The mirroring of photo 1 is a very well observed find.
This discredits the photo images, in my opinion.

It is hard to believe someone who has gone through as much trouble, over such a long time, to pull a hoax, would make such a mistake, to save himself 30 minutes.


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 03:45 PM by MrMorden
Originally posted by wildone106
HOAX..those perfect renderings of the device parts is right out of Alias Maya or Renderman, holy cow perfect pristine CGI renderings that are supposed to be photographs..are we that stupid to this dude?

Furthermore, if he knows so much about advanced tech..he should submit himself to some kind of scientific review on what he actually knows and see if his knowledge about advanced material has any credibility..only THEN would I even consider this..but Im guessing he wont because all he knows how to do is render CGI objects.

What a tool..


I'm *not* saying this is real (I fall into the "skeptical but interested" camp) but the fact is, if this IS real, then there is no expert here that can corroborate his technical facts concerning this technology.

If this technology uses principles and processes unknown or undiscovered by humans, it will sounds like bull# to us. In the same way that describing a television set to a person in the 1600s would sound like bull# to him or her ("Say what? You somehow make pictures and sound fly through the air and appear in a little window of a closed box? There is no model for that to work in human knowledge, lol hoaxx0r n00b!")

Think about it. If it was really technology centuries (or millenia, or eons) beyond ours, we have as much hope of understanding it as a chimp does of becoming an auto mechanic. Just because we can't explain it does not mean it's invalid.

If I were to test "Isaac's" knowledge, I'd do so by asking him pointed questions in his field, mathematics and computer science. If he provides canned answers to those questions, his credibility is damaged.

I can see one way in which the technology he describes could work. If every molecule in an object were entangled at a quantum level, the entire object could become a quantum computing device. All that would be needed to control the device would be an interface, which the "language" may provide at some level we don't understand yet.

Fascinating ideas, hoax or not.


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 03:46 PM by wildone106
Its not the photo that's mirrored as such, its the 3d MODEL which is mirrored..in making the object he simply duplicated that half of it then rotated it 180 and stuck the 2 parts together


Originally posted by osaitax



The mirroring of photo 1 is a very well observed find.
This discredits the photo images, in my opinion.

It is hard to believe someone who has gone through as much trouble, over such a long time, to pull a hoax, would make such a mistake, to save himself 30 minutes.



reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 03:47 PM by EZapata
A few things, if I may.

1) The progression of the drones is very odd. If my memory serves me, the drones were photographed from least sophisticated to most sophisticated. Why? Chance?

2) As somebody pointed out, the bandwidth for the fortunecity page would be surpassed by the download of just a few of the scans. The page is obviously being paid for. This raises a number of possibilities:

a) somebody is using a credit card, which would render "Isaac's" supposed anonymity void. This leads me to believe this is some type of marketing or some form of "disclosure" for any number of reasons (testing public opinion, a primer for further revelations, or a way to poison the well--half-truths as it were)

b) "Isaac" is paying by non-traceable means. I'm not even sure if this is possible.

c) Fortunecity is being generous

3) If "Isaac" is a computer science wiz, why the ?quotes? Fortunecity artifact, perhaps?

4) He also claims to feel relatively secure in that the information so far revealed narrows him down to 30-40 people but with the back story provided, wouldn't that narrow him down quite a bit?

I will say this, the primer pages are quite imaginative and artistic. Having said this, the opus is too detailed and involved for someone to hoax unless they have TONS of time and money on their hands. Qui bono? I would say either the movie or video game industry. HALO, Transformers, Star Trek, Taken 2(?), Interstellar, etc. There are a number of possibilities. Heck, even C2C could be the beneficiary of all this. Perhaps a Steven Spielberg/ILM production?

Taking a general survey, there are too many items in the CON column and too few in the PRO. Ironic since this is a professional con job. Perhaps a master pro/con list is in order?

I want this to be the real deal as much as the next person. The universe is too vast and it'd be egomaniacal to assume we have it all to ourselves. However, this drone story doesn't fly (pun definitely intended).


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 04:58 PM by cliffdweller
I agree with SuicideVirus that the blacked out portions of the documents probably describe elements of the "very specific type of field" only briefly mentioned by "Isaac" in his introductory letter. I also agree that there is a level of deception going on in the way Isaac has presented his evidence. Though I tend to believe that this is not a hoax in the general sense of the word, I also do not believe Isaac is forthcoming as to why certain sections of the documents are blackened out. Linda Moulton Howe wrote that "Isaac" blackened out those sections. Whether he is the one to do so or not seems unclear from "Isaac"'s own statements (Earthfiles.com "Part 1: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings"):

"However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name). I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure." - "Isaac"

Perhaps Linda Moulton Howe incorrectly assumed "Isaac" was the one to blacken out parts of the documents. But certainly those blackened out parts wouldn't identify "Isaac." If "Isaac" wanted to prevent controversy as to why parts of the documents had been blacked out, he could have informed us that those documents had been blackened out before he got them. I suspect "Isaac" knows more about why those documents have been blackened out than he is telling us. I believe that "Isaac" was burned out from working on CARET, and I believe that the artifacts are indeed real. What "Isaac" is not fully telling us is why he was burned out. I suspect that those working on CARET slowly and gradually came to realize through time working on the project that there was more going on with the artififacts than met the eyes. What I mean by this is that there is an invisible and perhaps "telepathic" aspect to their operations. After spending years trying to decipher how the artifacts worked, the group became disillusioned that there was an invisible aspect, i.e. the "very specific type of field" which makes the symbols "come alive," to their operations that they were not even close to understanding. This is my guess anyway.

As to why the main object would have mirrored halves, it doesn't seem too hard to speculate an answer. If an "anit-gravity" field (I'm not sure I fully buy the anti-gravity rhetoric) were emanating from the device, there may be a good reason why it needs to be symmetrical. If the symbols ("Isaac" was adamant that they were different from a language) in a peculiar way maintain the field then they too may need to be symmetrical, i.e. mirror images of each other. As for the proposed lighting anomolies of the images, I am not an expert on graphic renedition but I don't need to be to postulate an answer. If what "Isaac" says is true, that the artifacts have a cloaking capability, why couldn't they absorb, scatter, and reflect light in peculiar ways even when they are not fully cloaking themselves? Photographs of them would then exhibit lighting anomolies. I'm not saying that this is what has happened, only that it is a possibility.

But I agree with SuicideVirus that the release of information concerning the drones in general seems almost staged (carefully staged). On the other hand, I also tend to think that they are real objects.

As a side note: I find it strange that "Isaac" wants to contact witnesses to the sightings and "impart" some kind of information to help them deal with their experiences, when he himself claims to have no clear understanding of the "alien" connection.


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 05:04 PM by wildone106
Oh COME ON..thats REALLY stretching credibility..at this point you want to believe more than your willing to admit the things that just dont add up. For me these inconsistencies are very bothersome and I cant make up some supposed reason why they'd be so..because there is none other than a hoaxer who did'nt think it'd be spotted.


You guys are UNBELIEVABLE..your making up stories in your head to cover for the hoaxer's mistakes! I cant believe what Im seeing here.

Im not a skeptic when it comes to UFO's..I believe in it, but not an outright hoax which is so obvious in so many regards..

But I do admit I find the story interesting as fiction, too bad he messed up on the images.

Originally posted by cliffdweller
If the symbols ("Isaac" was adamant that they were different from a language) in a peculiar way maintain the field then they too may need to be symmetrical, i.e. mirror images of each other. As for the proposed lighting anomolies of the images, I am not an expert on graphic renedition but I don't need to be to postulate an answer. If what "Isaac" says is true, that the artifacts have a cloaking capability, why couldn't they absorb, scatter, and reflect light in peculiar ways even when they are not fully cloaking themselves? Photographs of them would then exhibit lighting anomolies. I'm not saying that this is what has happened, only that it is a possibility.


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[edit on 28-6-2007 by wildone106]


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 05:17 PM by 11 11
Originally posted by LoDGiKaL
I'm not saying this whole deal can't be a hoax. I just don't think that the mirroring of signs is enough proof to call it..


The fact that both sides of the objects physical mesh and the texturing are exactly identical, yet mirrored, is absolute evidence of a CG 3D model. It is very very common of 3D artists to save some time and clone and mirror half of a symetrical object to make it whole. Most people usualy texture their objects after mirroring, but its 100% evident that this 3D modeler textured the object, then, mirrored it. Another reason for a 3D artist to have mirrored textures, is to save room on the texture map. Video games and other software like to use as little resources as possible, so they will have limits to texture sizes and stuff. So if the 3D artist only gets a 512x512 gif image to put all his textures on, he will use parts of that texture on multiple parts of the object.

In this case, he cloned and mirrored an entire half of the object. This is very common, and a well known rule of thumb is to keep logos and language away from the texture when doing it, or it will be backwards. For example, a video game made a model of a helicopter, and for realism they add a few tail numbers on it. Of course, these tail numbers read "8081808" or something similar, because when you mirror that, it is still the same number.

There is no getting pass this, it is definetly CG. Normal people with brains could see just by looking at the entire image that it is a render from software just by looking at the soft shadows the objects create on the fake white enviornment. Now we are pointing out obvious flaws in the 3D render and you STILL dont see it is faked... its getting pretty bad.

I believe UFO's exist, and that we possibly have some of their technology, but this particular instance is FAKE.

Please move on people.


reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 05:21 PM by wildone106
Your 1000% right on there 11 11, like I said..anyone who works in the CG industry and has posted here, has pointed out all the signs and knows its a fake. The people that are somewhat ignorant to the state of the art in rendering are totally bedazzled and believe its real. Its not totally their fault but they ignor the errors which have been pointed out and choose to make up excuses for the hoaxer, its delusional.


Originally posted by 11 11
Originally posted by LoDGiKaL
I'm not saying this whole deal can't be a hoax. I just don't think that the mirroring of signs is enough proof to call it..


The fact that both sides of the objects physical mesh and the texturing are exactly identical, yet mirrored, is absolute evidence of a CG 3D model. It is very very common of 3D artists to save some time and clone and mirror half of a symetrical object to make it whole. Most people usualy texture their objects after mirroring, but its 100% evident that this 3D modeler textured the object, then, mirrored it. Another reason for a 3D artist to have mirrored textures, is to save room on the texture map. Video games and other software like to use as little resources as possible, so they will have limits to texture sizes and stuff. So if the 3D artist only gets a 512x512 gif image to put all his textures on, he will use parts of that texture on multiple parts of the object.

In this case, he cloned and mirrored an entire half of the object. This is very common, and a well known rule of thumb is to keep logos and language away from the texture when doing it, or it will be backwards. For example, a video game made a model of a helicopter, and for realism they add a few tail numbers on it. Of course, these tail numbers read "8081808" or something similar, because when you mirror that, it is still the same number.

There is no getting pass this, it is definetly CG. Normal people with brains could see just by looking at the entire image that it is a render from software just by looking at the soft shadows the objects create on the fake white enviornment. Now we are pointing out obvious flaws in the 3D render and you STILL dont see it is faked... its getting pretty bad.

I believe UFO's exist, and that we possibly have some of their technology, but this particular instance is FAKE.

Please move on people.

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