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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on May, 12 2008 @ 05:48 PM

Springer, Sys and the Team:

Look at CHAD's friend on MySpace at:


27 years old
Lake Tahoe, NEVADA
United States

Holy Moley.....

posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Siddharta
reply to post by Double_Nought_Spy

Ahh, doubles, if I could only show it in video! I need more talented people like that.

Here is my opinion.

Just a first impression.

Great Job Sidd, I love it.Lets all give Isaac a big hand hand for showing us how to get involved and maybe even make a buck in this racket

It would be the height of irony (chad is an ironman) if an autoshop airbrush/digital artist and a couple of lumberjacks from Oregon pulled this off. I can see LMH squirming now . WowDid you you see the babes on all the pages? It really makes research fun

posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:31 PM
Too bad the kids down the street and their priestess are scared to death of anything that doesn't prop up their delusional fantasy. Think of the information they have safely buried in the past year! ISPs & email addresses would be very useful right now.

posted on May, 12 2008 @ 06:34 PM
reply to post by Sys_Config

Yeah, Tahoe isn't the only thing that keeps turning up. Shannon is friends with lots of people of interest at the moment, but her door is closed. I wonder what is behind that door...

I see lots of rock climbers and banjo players and people from Tahoe, but not very many artists.

posted on May, 12 2008 @ 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
reply to post by Sys_Config

Yeah, Tahoe isn't the only thing that keeps turning up. Shannon is friends with lots of people of interest at the moment, but her door is closed. I wonder what is behind that door...

I see lots of rock climbers and banjo players and people from Tahoe, but not very many artists.

Yes I note that, just that one painting from a professional artist. Now. remember musicians are artists too, and they are key here.
WE have then a close knit group here that back packs and hikes, trail blaze, in place covering our sightings of Tahoe, California, Oregon etc. The normal hotbeds of activity. This is an interesting group in their appreciation and very demonstrated love of nature. They gather from several points to undertake these activities, such as watching the sun rise and set. If this group did nt create the model and Lap they could have very well been part of a larger group assigned to execute it. A clue was provided by Terra 9 when he inadvertentlly mentioned to Sidd the 100th monkey when he took Terra 9 to task for the coincidences.
A group dedicated to changing the Earth via music and arts, in the hope that that after a 100 people become involved critical mass sets in in the far reaching groups learn as if by thought the same message. Several concerts like Live Earth, antiworld070707 , etc were held that July.
Washingington st is one of those hubs, and therefore, no mystery of sightings and circles to me, thought it may be to Linda, and certainly no mystery to FXriot or 45letters, who suddenly left, but is also from Oregon, as was Todd, as was Tony Sova, as was Lev666. I will post a link as I have misplaced to demonstrate the purposes of the group, and how different musicians, and artists are part of this movement. This episode may have been a part of that and explains many of the delightful and inspiring things I saw ,until the LMHs and Striebers took it over, but now, if true things become much more palatable actually, with Brent and these people.
Lets not be harsh if it is them, for we gained much understanding of ourselves and others as well and the darkness of crass commercialism of the still mysterious and wonderful field of ufology and the paranormal.
It is early to reach a preliminary conclusion. this is just a thought of mine, and how I hope we deal with it. I like Sidds phrophetic message to the Diehards, that being Stop looking for Drones, save your own world, or words to that effect.

Now. A message to Brent. Its certainly not our intent to cause you discomfort or embarrasment.. On reading Myspace, I was deeply saddened by the Loss of your oldest son which you posted on Craiglists 2 years ago. Somehow, I almost got the feeling you became involved in a way, for him, to keep his memory alive. Thats a stretch of course, we all do things differently that only we can understand. You have our sincerest condolences. If you like giving us his name, we can put it as a dedication for him on a new website established in honor of seeking truth.. I hope you in turn given what we must continue to do, will not judge us too harshly either.

Now we continue our search.

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posted on May, 12 2008 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by Sys_Config

Well said, Cap'n Chair-Man Mike Mulligan. If the original hoaxers were part of a group like this, then I will enjoy having a hearty laugh with them if I can. The desperate hangers-on are the ones I have disdain for. They are now obstacles to the search for the reality here.

I think whoever it was dropped their not-quite-ready-for-prime-time pictures into the infamous hall of mirrors, and ducked for cover when the explosion happened. They might have predicted the explosion if they were deeper into the paranormal scene. I can't blame them for hiding out and watching the show. Their production was wildly successful. Whoever played Raj on OMF did an excellent job. It's hard to imagine anyone milking any more out of that situation without actually revealing anything.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 05:49 AM
Just going by the information I've read here on the latest witness, a scenario comes to mind.

As I mentioned before, (it is likely that) he has a "group" or support structure to follow and implement the script. If these people are musicians and artistic they are performers as well. They may be comfortable in front of an audience as an actor would be. Consequently sound convincing in their witness accounts.

The drone itself may have started out as an airbrush design on a car, maybe a Gothic or fantasy type design.

Someone may have suggested that it would make a cool UFO. From that point on it would be easy to relate this scenario to the unfolding events witnessed over the past year.

As to whether a suspended model was made or entirely CGI or combination this was probably the next step in combination with development of the script.

This may be a likely scenario or not.

The why in this case could simply have been their entertainment to see how far they could pull it off?

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 06:30 AM
I won't be upset at all - as long as they are willing to completely confess and 'tell all' with plenty of pictures and technical details. I'd prefer they not help aspiring hoaxers learn the ropes but then again we know where they made mistakes along the way and that information will prove useful in the future.

I said a long time ago that they had raised the bar with this hoax - and that all of us, investigators and hoaxers alike would have to climb over that bar when it's all over.

That which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger......

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:41 AM
This little incident is a microcosm of the UFO phenomena in general. Disclosure ain't gonna happen (least anytime soon). No one will ever "fess up".

This (little incident) has probably exceeded their wildest expectations. The "new" witness, coming forward, was probably a mistake on their part. Just an attempt at keeping it going, adding a little fuel to the fire. But he should've been a little more cautious, too much information on the Internet.

In all probability they will back off and just let the "little incident" fade away.

I think sys et al. may have come pretty close.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:46 AM
yes Gorgo a feasible scenario, except that..I can't let LMH and Whitley and crew get away scott free quite just yet .
given her connection to these people that suddenly came to her and not regular channels., unless of course she releases the faked pictures of which she has 11, and which point we can say Fake, and she can OH MY GOd, as usual, and shake her head disgusted, and somber, well you know the routine.After all, they are all actors. It would be an Oscar Performance, and George Noory can give a best supporting supporting actor perofromance by pretending to "faint" at the revelation. (one way not to answer questions)
.And thats if and only if this pans out, what makes this intriguing is that wootroot has a video commercial companyand the helped in doing a scene in Fire in the mountain, (very good I might add, )are connected to chad and brent, shoot marvelous lanscapes too, and is Tahoe so Ca.Yes..Interesting. But I need more. The ARC and ATS are very hard on themselves in these matters of proof
Yes, we don't mind intelligent guessing like yours Gorgo and others, but we do appreciate the beauty and value of the scientific method and observe the rules of best evidence, unlike others. The alternative here also is they may worked for Linda and Whitley . Only more study can reval the answer. but we are closer than ever before and cannot risk dropping the ball yet.

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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by Sys_Config

I'm just amazed - I mean I took issue with 'rabid disbelief' and fought for fair and open discourse on the subject but now I'm starting to see signs of 'rabid belief' and it's just.... shocking is all I can think of.

I've never really talked about my own experiences because I know there's no proof to be had other than my own word (which isn't worth much as far as investigations go, at least I'm fair and put my own word at the same level as anyone else). Without proof it's just a story and you have to evaluate the credibility of the person telling the story. Even so, I'm fully aware that if I choose to bring my story to the public I need to able to respond to questions and criticisms or not bring the story forward - one or the other.

I've seen this witness duck away for easier audiences after a few questions, none of which seemed offensive or 'attack' type questions.

Watching the wheels fall off this thing is becoming a very interesting experience is really all I can say.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:32 AM
reply to post by nfotech

I've had my own experiences, too, and realized that if I told anyone about them, they would just be more tall tales. In fact, the experiences seemed to be designed that way. No question in the mind of the rational experiencer, but no evidence of any kind to give to the rational investigator. Of course there are many irrational investigators out there who would be delighted with my "tall tales," but I'm not dumb enough or desperate enough to waste my time there.

There was plenty of rabid belief even a year ago, and we have seen the results of that here in this thread recently, as with the obvious flipping of the CGI image from photo to photo. That was shouted down last year, and as shameful as that is, it worked because there was an awful lot going on. Well, it worked for a while. The bias at OMF is as obvious as it is pathetic.

We have recently seen more claims of "scientific investigation" from posers who do nothing of the sort. People who make their living doing real science either ignore such claptrap, or are deeply offended and disgusted by it. I am offended, and I am no scientist.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:34 AM
Info I read your story and it was quite amazing and credible. You have a great gift by the way, and Isaac could not have told it better himself. (no innuendo here my friend) , I loved his narrative.
Most of us here are here because we have seen or experienced something, and are more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to witnesses, than someone who has not. But if we waged a Jihad, it was for truth and disclosure, and not a point of view, and thats where the others not only dropped their ball, but wanted to skew all the rules of the game. Speaking of game, and what Double said, I believe there is an element at OMF that is slowly purging the the "holdouts" from their ranks. It will be a difficult task, but one which may help OMF tilt the scales back to sanity and restore it to place for all to come without fear of being treated as a troll for discussing a different point of view. I would name these people, but I fear even now it woud do them more harm than good, perhaps later, and kudos to them, I have grown quite fond of them.
As for Brent He is part af a great circle and he should stay in it.
I meant to say deeproot not wootroot before as far as that media.
Its almost a moving experience traveling navigating thru it. I was particullarly moved by Marl an astrophotograher. You simply must go there to give yourself a break from the forum for a while

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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 09:55 AM
Sys, from my understanding of C2C, Art Bell (don't know about George) he was just the medium (or so he would say). He would never give his personal opinion about the veracity of a guest, he would let you decide and viewed his job as presenting you with enough information to make your own judgments. I thought he did a good job at that. I don't know how George is I haven't listened to C2C in awhile. And with LMH although there may be the moniker of "investigative" reporter I'm not sure how much you can put stock in that.

If this started out as a fancy design on the hood of some car I do not find it implausible for LMH or C2C to "go with it" in the same way as alienwhere or any other capitalist venture being opportunistic.

If however there were complacency and knowledge of a hoax than that would be deplorable and criticisms would be more than justified. When did they know and when did they know it?

However if they are feeling themselves as merely conduits leaving the audience to decide then they are no more guilty than any alienwhere or any other opportunistic venture.

You would think though that when it got to a point they would no longer milk it, in other words when it became obvious. But then this is a judgment call and it may not be so obvious to them at this point (as hard as that is to believe). I'm not making excuses for them. But like a river far from the headwaters it's hard to curb the flow.

Keep up the good work.

nfo, quite an experience, read on omf.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 11:30 AM
reply to post by gorgo

Gorgo, that makes sense, and I agree, but there are several instances of the "outlets" here deliberately distorting the story. LMH has 11 high resolution photos that no one has seen outside her operation. One was released by mistake, apparently, and it had a lot wrong with it. She will not respond to questions about those photos. Then there is the revelation, last September, of the location on Highway 9 of the supposed Big Basin photo, which she was made aware of and did not respond to, let alone report the way she does whatever bit of information she thinks will support her belief. It is one thing to say "Here is the information, you decide," and another thing entirely to say "Here is some carefully selected information, you decide." We see this sort of thing in politics, and in the Pravda of American politics, Fox News. Ufology cannot afford to tolerate it.

As for Art Bell, he is notorious for hiding behind the line "Hey, I just have these people on for fun and huge profits, I don't guarantee they are not lying." Look up the Dr. Reed fiasco and examine Bell's behavior. Look at how Bell introduces Richard Hoagland or Sean David Morton. Clearly, Bell is part of the deceptions. He knows all about Hoagland's Angstrom Medal or whatever it is and the sorry mess associated with that. He knows full well that Morton is a low grade con artist. The fact that Bell has made millions working his schtick does nothing to excuse him for ignoring the facts.

[edit on 5/13/08 by Double_Nought_Spy]

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 01:12 PM
Yes I know.

I'm not defending them.

As PT Barnum said,

This is the unfortunate situation in the realm of UFOlogy, lots of garbage with a sprinkling of truth.

Tahoe, deep cold lake been there once, lies on a fault?. Unique species of crawdad. Pacifica (?) I think they are good sized crawdads, probably tasty.

[edit on 13-5-2008 by gorgo]

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 04:51 PM
Hello to all..

After reading this new info made me dig a little deeper...Some may have run across this info already...But I decided to try to find a last name for chad...
After doing some searching I found a site with the last name.......
I then did a white book search for the address of his house..There was only one in that area that came up...If this is his address it would need to be looked into further to be sure...But miles away from this address not exactly sure of distance but maybe 5 miles....Looking up this info on Google Earth there is a park or recreation area where Google indicates is the location of
Puget Sound Silent Fliers

[edit on 13-5-2008 by CFandM]

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 06:51 PM
reply to post by CFandM

Thanx cfm and welcome aboard! we will follow up on this asap. I did glean the officers and galleries for the electric and other types. These boyz love their models. Theres a lot of digging to be done
Thank you again

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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 07:18 PM
Separating the wheat from the chaff, evolution does it all by itself.

Guess, where Lev is found?

They have earned one link at least.

posted on May, 13 2008 @ 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Siddharta
Separating the wheat from the chaff, evolution does it all by itself.

Guess, where Lev is found?

They have earned one link at least.

They need some expert willing to back their work up, 60 manyears he says, thats like 4 x 15 yrs (kids)or 3 x 20( young men) or 2x 30 (middle age) , or 60 (himself). well we can't argue with that. Perhaps they will put his company to sign the drones are real..and hold a press conference. I hope they all be wearing hoods. I hope we are invited.

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