Yes, it's true. Shad's has proven everything now and we should go home. I always knew, he would show up as an investigative journalist at last.

Now, concerning the flips I wonder. if we also find them in RijRajs pics. (I meant Mr. Richrutch always as a gag, but I have seen it written as Rij this day... Reality has many dimensions. I am going to look at it in the Strieber way...)

It will be more difficult with those three Stephen-pics, especially if it is a rotating panda, which only can be seen in the Linda-view, she does not share.

So: Did anybody find mirrors/flips in Rajman?

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Good Morning, or rather good afternoon,

I just woke up to read these most elegant poetic detreminations of Hoax. far more convincing than anything I could, because they reveal the truth, the whole truth , and nothing but the truth.
I hope when this is revisited and rewritten, that it shows a group of mean. stupid, and spiteful members at ATS proved conclusively beyond a reasonable doubt that caret was a hoax, and that they use Shads picture as the coverpage.. I say beyond a reasonable doubt, because the argument that compression in several pictures caused the flipping, is an unreasonable doubt, or that some energy cause the atmosphere and trees to change or not change while another stayed the same, is unreasnable, by any standard, leaving only one conclusion hoax. We could turn these findings over to any expert, and many have already, and they would agree, yet we ask them turn theirs over to a certified expert, and they will not. But Linda knows, and thats why she wont comment at all now on the Ty pictures. So they hope in their silly and contrarian position, to buy time, keep the Lie alive, and hopefully harvest as many hoax arguments, that they can harvest, and put the most remotely contorted scenarios as excuses, like Numbers and Magics, a self professed expert himself, to account for them., Excuses that carry no more rationality then the Devil in the Emerald forest caused the abberations.Take out the insane, and the possibility of divine intervention,then ladies and gentleman , damas y caballeros, we have nothing left but an absolute Hoax. This without having to harm poor Arthur, hurt whitleys movie, or embarrass Linda anymore than she's embarrased herself and her own fans..

So having declared Hoax, now let the DRT put its findings before an accredited expert laborartory. Its their burden, ,and as Isaac said, I'll bet my last dollar" it will be a long long time before we see that, for if they did "heads" would really be rolling" on the streets of Bagdad for sure.

The other side was always concerned about our backslapping, and laughter, to that I respond , I would have been much more concerned about their own groping and fondling each other, and staying so quiet while it happened.












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As I said, some guys at OMF do really great stuff. But I am having trouble now, to follow all this nonsense infotech presents. He is not pro nor contra, but after looking at this all he does not know, but could prove everything, if those bad guys at ATS only would not be there, and anyway, this whole matter - being open minded - only can be true!

Duh!

Infotech, stop talking and start proving. I did not see anything of yours at all.

P.S.: You are a little late. All things point to hoax. You will have to do some kind of salto mortale and risk your reliablity. But:

THE STAGE IS YOUR'S!

To make it complete and nearing to an end:

All those, who still think, this could be real, are eather ridiculous (and nobody is needed to ridicule them) or they are liars.

Nothing else is possible.

I have completed reading a post pointed out to me by mur, for explanation. Its attos post, where now he is becoming more understandable, and making more concrete connections and interpretation of the Isaac material, and his own. Again it poinnts to esoteric, which is ok, and is technology dependent on the abiility of the channeler, unquote, not ok. much like whiley streiber and LMHs cropcircle physics. 45 letters appears going in that direction also, on the Typset thread at OM.
As I see it they have only one out, Declare everything a Fake, but say it was a clever cover for the release of cropcircle or esoteric mind operated machinery. Atto is sacrificing himself, as his 2 partners were killed, and he has not stopped running since he says, but he still works at Wisconson, where he is running from. This may be a misunderstanding in reading the material of course. He might be in Oregon or Michigan or even Ontario.
But here he is sharing the pieces of classified informtion with us. We indeed are immensely grateful and indebted.
At least we know the original alien codex may have been 200ft or pages long...
well good luck.
we at ATS will keep meditating for all in this war for lost souls.

Sys


add It has just come to my attention that rather than just put it out a full report for review by a lab or certified specialist after the latest fiasco, , they are instead issuing a call to their membership for reinforcements as image analysts..Their sand castle is crumbling, the walls must be shored up.
I assume perhaps until enough of them agree to their positions.
100 amateurs will beat one certified expert anyday must be the rationale.
Can't trust independent experts with something this important.

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Okay yes im a day or two behind, don't kill me.

So the photos are definitely flipped, is that what is happening right now?

That is an amazing find, indeed.

Can I have an example of this sent to me U2U, or at least point me to where I can see an example of this.

Also, I'd like to see what this thing looked like before flipping, that would be mucho rad.

Originally posted by fortwynt
Okay yes im a day or two behind, don't kill me.
So the photos are definitely flipped, is that what is happening right now?
That is an amazing find, indeed.
Can I have an example of this sent to me U2U, or at least point me to where I can see an example of this.
Also, I'd like to see what this thing looked like before flipping, that would be mucho rad.

Hi fort,

the only one which is proven as flipped is the Chad cellphone photo. This was proven by the PIs, since they found the right spot. So kudos to the DRT, who made this possible.

It also is easy to see, that the antigravity module in Isaac's documents is a mirror of itself, if you cut it in the middle - at the "wasp"-hip.

The Tahoe-drone always looked like a mirror of itself to me. The measurements given by arkangle fit exactly to this, giving more evidence to my impression. So, not proof, but very unlikely coincident.

The "Panda"-riddle was presented by DrDil in this thread. I could not find any explanation of an optical illusion. Trying to find one, instead I found out, that the pandas are a perfect overlay, when flipping/mirroring it. This is very unlikely, since the original photos show the drone in different positions. But I am open for a clear explanation or better demonstration here, how this could occur.

The question, how they looked before, is easy to answer:
Just flip the Chad cell phone photo and you can see.
Look at Tahoe1 and Tahoe2, which one is before and after is not for sure, since the time stamp is the same. So we have to "trust" the witness.

There is no "before" with the Ty-photos, because we don't have any time stamp and don't know, if the panda first pointed north and then decided to point east or vice versa.

There also is no "before" with the antigrav-module, because we don't know, which part has been created first. So we even cannot be sure, if the alien writing is right in the front part or in the back part. It's alien anyway. And who of us could dare to tell the aliens how to write in their language, especially since it is none letterly...

@Sys: Yes, this Unity was some joy! Umoja!

Hello ARC and friends,

just a simple thought. Looking out of my window, I see, it is getting dark late. Okay, we got the summertime over here and the clock has changed one hour.

The Tahoe pics have been taken on May 5 at 18:52. This means bright daylight over here even in April. Substract obne hour and it still is.

So I ask you to take a photo on May 5 this year, try to do it around 18:52 and compare it with the Tahoe-pic. Let's see, where in the world it is as dark as there.

Pictures from California with a similar cellphone would be nice. Do you have something like that, klatoo?

The chip was a MSM6500 as the data from the photo says. But anyway: Do it all, whereever you are, even tomi in UK. Let's see. what light of day we get. I doubt, that it will be that dark as presented.

that is a most excellent idea! the best answers are usually the simplest, next door they want to extract encoded raw data by reverse engineering an unknown algorythm via brute force techniques, that would take a gazillion years to do, (hmmm thats the point I think)and no assurance of accuracy.

This can be done by everyone. That should save the problem of doing a mockup as some want, and thats ok. But this..this sweet indeed.
Thanx Sid.

OMG! I just saw a copy of your post at OM, its not even a few minutes you put it here.! They are plundering everything we say. before you can even get up from the keyboard. Gracious heavens. Well thats all right, I doubt they will have the good sense to implement it, but I admire their taste for acquisitions, Not that I haven't done a little bit of it myself mind you

Sad news, as you know Atto was the only one I believe could have cracked this thing. Having been insulted everywhere, ignored, taunted, he found a small spot at OM where no one would think of someone molesting him. He was providing some great and understandable background information, progress in fact, when some Einstein from nowhere, started making snide remarks.
Well..needless to say we know how Atto has a Zero Tolerance level for that kind of nonsense.
It seems he is finished there.
That man may have his eccentricities, its a natural part of creative people,
comparatively, to those at the other side, he was a beacon in the darkness.!, a guide along the path..now thanks to the the one with all the issues and no answers, the light is extinguished, and a helping hand is gone. who knows until when..



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Hi Sys,

I am following them sometimes, but I am not following them all the times, Repeating the same again and againis so boring.
I like 45 letters, but sometimes you think, he smoked the wrong things... Has happened again, I guess.
The truth is, that nobody has anything at hands - gratulations to Isaac - although itis in the bright light of day, that this IS a Hoax.

Isaac, may I enter your team?

Could just be somebody collecting the stuff in case Sys decides to delete it from his space. Seems pretty odd, though. How did this come to light? Someone point it out to Doc, er wot? I have to say it doesn't really give me the heebie jeebies, but it could cause some of our more impressionable acquaintances to do some silly things.

Nobody is going to make progress on this stuff by jumping to conclusions, or making assumptions based on what might be just random noise.