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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Sys_Config
Thats news to us about her financing the investigators


Really? Ok, I might have gotten that mixed up, I'll get back to you if I can find where I read that. Did LMH hire Reyes who did the Caret language primer pdf? Or did he work on that because he's such a big Unknown Country fan?


though we suspected based on the intransigence of the OMF DRT to reveal their financing source.


I may have made a false association with LMH to OMF and the private investigators, but this quote from page 230 makes me think I was right:


Originally posted by tomiuk
Hey Sys.... LMH is a female too, and how do you know she isn't helping us.. to the extent she can without betraying her confidences.
We respect that about her totally.



The MSN video link that's posted above isn't working, it says video unavailable. Is that the correct link in your post? it looks a bit funny like the board html code messed it up.




posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 05:53 PM
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Hi Sys,

If that’s the case it’s no problem, I know you didn’t say that LMH was funding it, that’s why I didn’t name anyone in the reply, and same with the Schwartz thing, I was trying to help the newer posters.

If long-term members collectively decide on what were significant or pivotal points in the history then I’m more than happy to collate, catalogue & compile it.

I feel the same as you, “Just the facts ma’am.”


[Edit] I’ve just read your reply again Sys, we don’t disagree (apart from perhaps Dopefish). I realise that my post seemed a bit terse but that wasn’t my intent and I apologise for seeming abrupt, as I say it wasn’t my intent.

I was merely trying to pre-empt any discussion on the older facets of the Drones, I admit I scanned the posts and commented on what I thought were the points raised.

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posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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SYS and SID:

The use of the same phrase: "freaked out" points out the same person wrote all. Smells stronger like hoax more now than ever.

I have been researching something similar, but in the visual arena. Sorry I can't provide the photos here SYS as I am not as proficient about posting photos as you and other here. But I'm sure most of you have these on your hard drives. Perhaps you all want to validate this yourself.

(#1.) Notice that all of the California photos show a view of tall evergreen trees somewhere in the photo, usually in the background. Look at the Tahoe photos, crappy as they are. Then notice the wooden architecture of the house/building. Next, look at the picture of Cam's skylight through which she allegedly saw a high flying drone. Notice the same (or similar) two evergreen trees? The same (or similar) wood planks and beams? Yet the distance between the two places is 253.71 miles. Something smells, and not from Cam's kitchen I'll wager.

And we all know now about the lie about some of the photos being in Bakersfield, and now we know they weren't taken there.

My conclusion is that most of those photos, from Cam's skylight, Tahoe, etc., are conveniently in the same general area in California, not spread out all over the place. The locus of the reports and photos are actually the same general area and not hundreds of miles apart.

(#2.) Remember this (thanks SID!):
Sequoia National Park, May 2005:

"Ten years after that in May 2005 in Sequoia National Park, California, a retired California state mental health worker, told me she saw a dragonfly-shaped aerial craft. She has asked me to call her "Shirley P," but I have her full name, address, phone, and employment background. She became very upset with internet rumors that all the drone photographs were faked CGI and Photoshop creations. She knew she had seen with her own eyes a strange aerial object that matched the Chad images of May 6, 2007. She saw the aerial machine while standing next to a Sequoia Park Ranger who was giving her directions and who told her the drone was used to look for fires. Shirley saw the same drone a second time in the park when she stopped to get further driving instructions from a road crew. She did not have a camera with her."


Question: Why didn't' any of the investigators ask the US Forest Service about these drones? Or did anyone else ask? The two private eyes, being ex-law enforcement personnel, would be able to get a better answer than we armchair researchers due to their law enforcement background and contacts and personal references as well as their PI state licence.

Just tryin to get all of the angles in this mess cleared up . . .



posted on Apr, 24 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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Klatu ! great observation, and I am happy you made that observation. The similarity despite hundreds of miles or kilometers is more than noteworthy, as it points in unison with the other items to nothing less than hoax. As to the PIs Its my belief they probably did, but are under NO obligation to tell us. Remember this, at the very first news article the PI stated that he had no preconceptions, but on looking at the online material (whose material?) It had made a believer out of him, before any additional facts on the case, of which I saw none, were even garnered! And then, direct the Needle Nose Pinnochio Drone to LMH.So, that told us there where this was going already even back then. Couple an almost immediate selling of merchandise and more fanfare with this and its nothing more than a dog and pony show again. .
Excellent work my friend. Keep the analysis going.
We are not thru yet


If spacebot is reading I am leaving this for him
another illuminary and futurist Charles Ostman
who emailed his view to c2c on the Chad drone.
Before Isaac Appeared
some interesting emails by many including mufon, BJ, graphix pros
with 10 or more years exp.

www.coasttocoastam.com...
www.historianofthefuture.com...
www.kurzweilai.net...




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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by klatunictobarata
Question: Why didn't' any of the investigators ask the US Forest Service about these drones? Or did anyone else ask?


Yes, Klatu, I remembered, somebody asked by email and I found it:

A UFO Casebook forum member contacted the State of California Park Forestry Service and asked them if they were familiar with such a drone. As well, he supplied a photo of the unusual craft in question. Here was their very short response.

“There are no science or research projects at Sequoia National Park involving craft like these, and no one I spoke with has any knowledge of it.”

Thank you for your interest in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks.

The Staff of Interpretation and Cultural Resources


Source: www.ufocasebook.com...

Remembering, that I read something like that long before I entered any English speaking forum, I found this answer to Corinna from May 26:


Corinna, I have spoken with the person who coordinates science and research in Sequoia National Park. There are no science or research projects at Sequoia National Park involving craft like these, and no one I spoke with has any knowledge of it. I suspect it is a hoax. - Thank you for your interest in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. The Staff of Interpretation and Cultural Resources. The park number is 559-565-3341. A recorded voice will offer three options: Road information; Weather information; or Other information (press 9). To speak to a person, press 0.


Sorce: www.ufos-co.de...

As she writes, she posted it at the German site as soon as she had the answer. Obviously the text at UCB is the same, so maybe she is a poster there, also.

For the answer: Either they are in this conspiracy, maybe even aliens, or they are threatened by them. We know, the drones are there, it was on NBC today!

And did you read that one: "To speak to a person, press 0."? Tells volumes!


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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:20 AM
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I've read the last 100 or so pages to catch up.
What a ride...

Can someone explain to me what Pisces All Media is?
I'm looking at the web site, and this sure doesn't look like a media company.
Not visual media I hope.
The bizarre forum also hosts ARG's.



Did www.isaac.com... lead to anything?

Mr. Charles Rose of ISAaC and his resume:

"Security Clearances: While actively employed in the aerospace industry, Mr. Rose held Secret and EBI clearances with the DOD. These have now been deactivated, but can be reactivated when necessary."

The site says:
Version 2006.12.12
Site Copyright © 2006 by Innovative Scientific Analysis and Computing

The date suggests to me that this could be part of a back story for an ARG.
Does Charles Rose exist outside of this site? I've only started searching, but this goliath.ecnext.com... and a dead link on zoominfo.com is all I have found.

If Rose and ISAaC are legit, then it seems this site could have been another source of inspiration for the hoaxers. Or just a coincidence to Isaac who also worked for DoD.

newkid or anyone else, have you received a response from Mr. Rose?



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 04:03 AM
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Thanks for the info Sid. I thought there was some inquiry but lost track of the source. Gracias again.

For you, Sid, and Sys, and all the rest of you significant ones (sorry I don't write all of your monikers):

What would be a list of sources online you check daily for updates on the Drones?

If we all could start on the same page, source wise, we might focus our efforts in a coordinated way, much like a magnifying glass concentrates light.

This list would be good for those newcomers and away-drifters who wrote us here on ATS asking for an update.

I know I have several fav sites but don't believe I have 'the best of the best' links.

I start off daily with a really basic nonsophisticated Google search of "drones isaac caret" and let loose; then I use Dogpile as a metasearch engine to do the same. I set the search preferences to display the max hits and can visually scan through them quickly enough. Its much more rapid when you know which keywords to scan for in the brief citations. I always go the the 'cached' option first as it loads faster and the search engine uses the saved cache to parse through the results. Then, I go to the current site to update the info presented when it's warranted.

That is basic advice I would start off with for for newbys but I'm sure you are better than me at this and have better tips and links.

Lets see what we got!

OH, I almost forgot to ask: It's been very quiet at least here on ATS. What's happened with the DRT and tomiuk, et al? I find it too painful to dredge throughly through OMF so forgive my laziness, but has anyone seen a progress report for the DRT? Or where I/we can easily look?

Thanks again Guys!



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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I was remiss in adding this tip for s[acebot, but actually it was meant for all, that ostman is also a frequent guest on coast to coast. Like Engr, Jim, Arlington, he to wants us to look beyond the veil of hoax debate. Which is what we have done here. Adding another layer evidence for hoax, if we come across it is fine, but we being the nosy researchers we are , we want a tad more , we want to delve into the unseen level, the state of mind, the sin que non , without which the event would never have occurred..

Merely searching for a computer literated (sic)nerd that may know 20 program languages, is proficient in macs as he is ibms or even crays, and that worked for the government does not quite cut it for me. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people that fit that category, brick layers. I want the Architect.
So to answer Zens question, I say interesting, but no cigar yet, the laying of foundation for backdrop to arg, is sufficient pause for thought, because Pisces did that on a primitive level with early rpg ripoffs. The same with Isaac corp note the profile is up for sale.
No, the persons wanted to tell a story that involved both science and meta science, and art, and things involving self assembly at the micro and macro/cosmic levels. So above, so below, and is therefore not doing this to merely flaunt his/their programming proficiency.

only a handful of people have that skill to be able to write, skilled in electrical engineering , and procient at concepts and application, as well as emerging technologies even outside his or her specialty. This person covered a lot of territory, the way a futurist does, like let us say Brin, Ostman, or Kurtweil, the latter being mentioned by Arthur specifically by the book the singularity. They in a way, are Alchemists,figuratively speaking, drawn to topics such as ufology or the esoterica, the same way physicists are attracted to philosophy what asks the the fundamental questions of nature, I think but am i really a part of me ?
there are a lot less of them than the first category, and can be found in the ufo/paranormal waterholes. studying them can provide a path to where Isaac is lurking. He is not a Yeti, he is in the end a man like us , and can be found. So please dont presume I say Ostman is he, I am only saying look at his head, then feed yours, this is the type of people we must look at, and who are closely connected with the principals and gateway we have locked in for target acquisition.
www.historianofthefuture.com...
Excerpt from the book by Celia Pearce, "the Interactive Book":
ISBN 1-57870-028-0 A-Life of One's Own - V-Art Another A-life alchemist is Charles Ostman. "Ostman's interest lies in the interface between nature and machine. His specialty is nanotechnology. Nanotechnology is a technique of manipulation at the molecular level that enables you to do things such as create self-assembling materials, micro-machines, and pseudo-viruses. Self-assembling materials-which at one time were called "nano-leggos" until the name had to be changed due to trademark disputes-consist of molecules that can manipulated through input (such as heat or electrical charge)."

Note that Ostmans greatest strength and expertise is in nanotechnology, and self assembly, he immeditely jumps on that technology for his assessment of the Chad Drone. It is curious and noteworthy that when he wrote this, Isaac had not yet entered the scene, and there was nothing overt in the chad drone to actually bring the subject up. An opinion colored by the lens of the writer, it can be argued, and which is precisely why I am looking or suggest taking a look at it, as Isaac appears to color his summary with the same lens












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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 02:56 PM
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A member at UCB just posted the following:

i137.photobucket.com...

Seen it before?



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by DrDil
A member at UCB just posted the following:



Seen it before?

hmm.could it be related to this pic, its on santa cruz it says,
my Library collection has this if it means something . Only pic with a pole and lampost
its a rajman1977

The spot depicted on the WT map is 1500 ft above sea level

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Sys_Config

Originally posted by DrDil
A member at UCB just posted the following:

i137.photobucket.com...

Seen it before?

hmm.could it be related to this pic, its on santa cruz it says,
my Library collection has this if it means something . Only pic with a pole and lampost

Don’t worry about it, my bad!!


Thought it may be Raj-related at first then quickly realised my error…..



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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I thought so too, the other pic with a top of a lampost was this one.
Reviewing wts posts, he appears kewl, and may explain afterwards when he comes back.
I was curious about the pine tree. It feels as I saw that tree before. Notice how the top looks like it grew off from the center..I noticed that in some other pic we all have seen.
I though it might be related to stephan location near their famous bike trek. I dont think so. the map I have is different. Maybe close by though.
Perhaps one of the investigator clips migh tell us something.











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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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Hi guys,

that little panda, Dil... Seeing you mentioned it again... Yes, I took a closer look at it:



It's all mirrors, as the Tahoe drone, as Chad Drone, as antigravity device...

Maybe we wil find even more.

Here is a little help for numbers explaining that one: There is another dimension in our mirrors! Sometime they come over here and look like us, but sometimes don't! This must be a proof, that it is real!



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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The panda I knew it . I knew the Chinese were behind this, maybe the PuertoRicans too.and this is nothing more than a conspiracy..to..to..to steal all our bamboo. The Drones are nothing more than flow harvesters..thats all..clever and insidious

Sidd that was so funny I can hardly type!!

I know how to use the street view and found the location againBB way is not to far.
But does that telephone pole look familiar?







this is at intersection of black rd and santa cruz hwy where the mysterious post pic was taken



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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Sorry Sys, I see you are talking about another important aspect.

But looking at the panda was not only funny, but it revealed also, that not the panda is revolving. The drone is revolving around the panda!

The panda only flips. I think Dil can explain, what I am talking about.



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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That's you Lamp post alright, don't live in the US but looks like a perfect match to me Mr Sys, how do we compare it to the pics though?....



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta
Sorry Sys, I see you are talking about another important aspect.

But looking at the panda was not only funny, but it revealed also, that not the panda is revolving. The drone is revolving around the panda!

The panda only flips. I think Dil can explain, what I am talking about.

OMG, amazing that means the drones mean us know harm, they love teddy bears and things.

I am posting that in our archive, i have been collecting some outstanding analysis posted by Marvin and Sqt and others. They want a report..we will give them a report, and we can take our time just like them. That one ty pic released, was their undoing. Thats why they wont let the other 11 out.
I hope these pics I have based on WT s drop in at UFC help. I can't get closer to the pole.
Kudos Great stuff Sidd!



posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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It's one past midnight here, but I tried a comparison, that shows, what happens around little panda.

This is the result:



Droning around the panda.

P.S.: I know, even I could do better, but it is late at night and I am tired.

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by October
That's you Lamp post alright, don't live in the US but looks like a perfect match to me Mr Sys, how do we compare it to the pics though?....

Good question, if i was there i would climb the thing and leave my initials on it. But being they have PIs and stuff , who knows if they will say we looked at it and in our "opinion" thats not it. all we can do is a side by side, but some one should. I will keep working on it..to get as close and detail as possible. I have a brother in CA..perhaps..perhaps he can. I hope.
Thanx for the morale boost October, and Doc and especially WT if this is it.! Wow Sidd thats beautiful.., guys This is a double whammy!

Sidd get some sleep..you deserve it..!

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posted on Apr, 25 2008 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta
Sorry Sys, I see you are talking about another important aspect.

But looking at the panda was not only funny, but it revealed also, that not the panda is revolving. The drone is revolving around the panda!

The panda only flips. I think Dil can explain, what I am talking about.


I think I know what you mean Sidd.

Have a look at this animation, I’ve brought the panda from the bottom paddle down to the bottom of the image, this is how it actually appears. The second frame in the animation is accompanied by the text *flipped horizontal* and when it is flipped then it becomes the same as the panda on the top paddle, or at least is the same orientation.

And to add a little perspective (or to grasp the impossibility of this happening in the real world) in the third frame of the animation I’ve left the panda the same but flipped the text.



Is that what you mean Sidd?

I.e. that it can only be as a result of image manipulation using software, or as you say mirrored?

Perhaps if we had access to the other images in the set this could be conclusively determined, either way digital imagery is most definitely not my strong point……

He, he, Sidd it’s 25 past midnight here……



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