[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

those who have my email can reach me there. I believe this may be the 4400 th post. How fitting..perhaps thats a good omen...odd that all trails seem to lead back to ms Linda and c2c..for the genuine leads. if her disciples at the other forums dont want ask the questions perhaps we can....nothing inductive about that I would surmise...we shall see.
^i^

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General consnsus here its a hoax but we are concentrating on the who as opposed to counting pixels and phantom witnesses with dead emails and Silent Journalists like LMH holding the key.Whitle strieber thinks they are real he said he dreamed one..he can be reached at unknown country website. We are now discussing why a site Pisces claimed to have a hoax participant and has not put her foward on their own site as mentioned in the post just above. So you have missed a lot but this page will do I guess. It could be just anothercase of trough sloshing figuratively speaking.
welcome back chuck
and a big shout out to Richard Armour!



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Thanks, I appreciate it. I had heard Whitley Strieber had seen one of these which I found pretty interesting but I'm not sure I fully believe everything Mr. Strieber says, though he has some fascinating experiences, especially the one about the 'reptilian street' dimension he went to.

Regarding the pictures, I am actually educated with Photoshop and 3d Studio Max, isn't everyone these days? Well I have a University degree on the subject. My personal view on the original pictures and some subsequent pictures were that they were actually real. The later videos I've seen however were fake, I believe that is well known though and the people that made them weren't trying to deceive anyone, they had freely admitted to creating them as a test prior to uploading them.

Thats great Chuck and we do have a thread for the drone pics analysis here cgi vs modeling, all that good stuff..like which software..radiosity or adobe or both.. which almost tied this thread down addressing the matters and Drones raise many issues the photos being one, the emails another the witneses etc..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
its considerably much shorter than this and you may be able to catch up on what was already done from various perspectives. I am sure there are many that want to anlalyze photos even more .But I would recommend that as a first step. Flag the thread so you dont lose it..the post button does not work anymore.

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Did I hear somebody shout: "We want more!"?

Okay, I have kept as little gag for myself for sometime. Here it is: Before Ellroy started to flood ATS, pisces suddenly had many new fans on December 5th... Here they are:

adam346, adam6121, adam6324, adrian0414, adrian239, adrian344, adrian735, adrian811, andy011, andy634, andy1012, greg503, greg787, greg1317, greg2622, greg3513, josh2111, josh333, josh778, marshall3219, marshall6110, mickey625, mickey831, mickey6223, nick363,
nick764, nick5820, scott182, scott472, scott776, scott3625, scott4318, tom542, tom3616, tom6815

None of them ever posted anything, neither adamadamadam, nor tomtomtom...

Sad! So much waste of intelligence!!!

Just sent Linda an email asking her some questions...let's see if she responds!

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Just sent Linda an email asking her some questions...let's see if she responds!

Ay Thats the spirit Lads! One monkey doesnt make a circus., specially when he's his own audience as for Linda I meant to tell Chuck shes got the original attached photos which Ty sent to her 12 in all I believe..not emailed photos but letter as I understand..how all that exif data disappeared is beyond me..but for someone that wants to be believed that was odd but gone it was worse some partial..meaning selective editing..
so..off the gitgo..we have problems..Its not isaac shes protecting..its more like hiding.

yes Sidd, he padded his forums with dummies..how fitting..
warrior brothers and sisters I think we can knock these propped up cheap building fronts over..as the information trickles in be assured...its better to have a steady trickle of nickles and dimes then a dollar once in a while..said Sam Walton..Be prepared, for we may find something much much uglier than Isaac which is why there is consternation in their ranks..is all I can advise..
and so..this fight is far far from over
and how is the weather in Canberra this time of year?

It's just hard for me to understand, if she has the witnesses as verifed, AND has those "original" photos, why the silence? Witnesses who wish to be anonymous aside, she could at least elaborate more on the situation. I think I am going to write Strieber about it too, not that he would feel compelled to respond to me, but I digress.

OK first of all I cannot believe my eyes to see this thread alive in the "Recent Posts" section of the forums. Wow! is this some kind of record or what?

Listen guys, I know I'm not going to stop this thread but let me give you my personal insight. Whether it is true or not lets examine what we DO know...

The government IS trying its best to discover anti-gravity. They HAVE recovered unknown craft of unknown origin with highly advanced technology which they HAVE tried to reverse engineer to varying degrees of success.

So what is this thread trying to prove? Let's say it's totally true, is this ufo seekers smoking gun? You can't possibly believe the smoking gun of the UFO investigation is going to be delivered by a free hosting site? Despite what a lot of people think (and for good reason) if we knew 100% about intelligent life, it would be announced. Not because the USA found it, but because if there was a sufficient amount of evidence it would be scattered across the globe, accessible to many countries that would gladly share such intelligence because they don't respect the US enough to keep such a great historical secret. They would want to be the discoverer and go down in history, wouldn't you?

The problem is we may have recovered technology, but as I said it is of unknown origin. Could've been developed on earth for all anybody knows! Even if the story was 100% true, theres still the possibility that the intelligence was created secretly in an alternative government because they never disclosed the information to the poster. Every government probably has some form of program trying to create anti-grav - not surprising to say the least. Said government aren't going to dive into admitting ownership for obvious reasons (espionage).

In conclusion - even finding out this to be true doesn't prove anything we don't already know. The government attempts to reverse engineer - so obvious anyway. The government is attempting to create anti-grav - also very obvious. The government has anti-grav - if true, its so buried in red tape and blood no civilian or government agent could ever prove it or even better put it to a positive use. Is the topic ever going to come to rest?

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in a word, no. i don't think it would ever come to an end....because aside from a public acknowledgement of alien contact (which may never happen), there will always be those who either believe or do not believe, based purely on personal opinion, because in the end that's what most subjects come to, in essence.

as to contact being revealed, im not so sure. i think that it is just as likely that certain elements would want to protect that knowledge as much as possible, to have maximized control over the situation, as fed to the public....now this isn't to say that it could be held together FOREVER, there would invariably be leaks....but would they be believed? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, I perceive.

Excellent points though.

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Just thought i'd post Linda's response email to the one I sent her....yes, she already responded in that amount of time....anyway take it for what it's worth, I was disappointed...I appreciate her quick response (if it truly is her and not simply an automated deal), although i would have appreciated some real words rather than a rehashing of the same old known stuff....anyway, here ya go.


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Feb. 19, 2008


Hi, XXXXX:


Here is a list of my Earthfiles reports. All interviews were first person with me by phone.


• 07/28/2007 —
Clarifications and Comments by Isaac
• 07/11/2007 —
Professional Computer Engineers Comment About "Isaac" and CARET Document
• 07/10/2007 —
2005 and 2006 Memphis "Drones"?
• 06/29/2007 —
Another "Drone" This Week Near Maxwell AFB
• 06/26/2007 —
Part 1: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings
• 06/26/2007 —
Part 2: Documentation, Palo Alto Caret Laboratory Q4-86 Research Report
• 06/22/2007 —
Dragonfly "Drone" Seen October 1995 in Arizona
• 06/17/2007 —
More Big Basin, California, Bizarre "Drone" Images
• 06/15/2007 —
Part 1: Northridge, California, Aerial "Drone" Eyewitness On the Record
• 06/15/2007 —
Part 2 - Star Wars Physicist Edward Teller, Outer Space Menace And Remotely Piloted Vehicles (RPVs)
• 06/08/2007 —
More Drone Photos and Other Eyewitnesses
• 05/30/2007 —
Birmingham-Type "Drone" Seen At Barksdale AFB, Louisiana, in Mid-1980s
• 05/28/2007 —
Letters About Unidentified "Drone" Aerial Objects
• 05/25/2007 —
Two More Eyewitnesses of Aerial "Drones" in 2005 and 2006
• 05/21/2007 —
Updated: Odd Aerial "Drone"? Photographed Again Over Capitola, California
• 05/16/2007 —
Updated: Odd Aerial "Drones"? Over Lake Tahoe and Central California
• 05/16/2007 —
Updated: Engineer Comments About Odd Aerial "Drones"? Over Lake Tahoe and Central California


Sincerely,


Linda Moulton Howe
Reporter and Editor
www.Earthfiles.com
and Investigative Reporter
Premiere Radio Networks;
Dreamland Online


P. O. Box 21843
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87154


TEL: 505-797-7727
FAX: 505-797-7908


e-mail: [email protected]
website: www.earthfiles.com








On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:09 PM, XXXXXX, XXXXX wrote:


I am no one special. Just an interested party, and a usual poster at Strieber’s “Unknown Country”.

I have kept up on the “drone” debate from its inception, throughout all the “hoax” debates which still exist, until now, where there is virtually no further info from any party involved.

I would respectfully appreciate an answer to this question:

Did you (Linda Howe, and of course Mr. Strieber) actually meet most or all of the original “witnesses” to the drone events? I’m pretty sure that you have said that you did, in fact, meet them or had contact with them in some fashion. I have no reason not to believe this, but with all the debate raging over the witnesses being deceptive in some way, I just figured I’d go directly to the source and ask you personally. In other words, if you actually met these folks and could verify that they are who they say they are, and saw what they say they saw, then this would go a long way to clearing some of this up. I know many parties who are CONVINCED that the whole mess is fraudulent from start to finish. Also it is suggested that you, and others, would be somewhat unlikely to admit that you were “taken in”, if that were the case. Personally I'd like to think that even if you were “taken in” you would admit it if you knew that the info was bad, even if it meant you might look foolish.

Any info on this you could provide would be helpful, just to clear it up in my own mind if nothing else. Of course, as I said I am no one special, just an interested party.


Thank you

XXXXX XXXXXX

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p.s. I didn't hyperlink the things she did in the email, as I'm sure you've all been there and done that....if anyone thinks I should I will do so.

Gee Fortwynt, Great Letter, but her answer it looks like an auto with no statement from her to you..
dang, But bless you bro for doing it ..lets see if we all get the same auto..
I hope people with subcriptions or considering such see what they can expect for their money..
If we cannotdetermine the origin and nature of this hoax , of the clearest pictures ever taken, in the hands of a recalcitrant and intransigent "investigative" journalist, as real commercial or government disinfo then where do w turn to. All we will be is looky Loos at every turn to go uu and ahh . Ask us no questions and we will tell you no lies. Clearly there is advanced research going on..and I see a creeping trend in certain forums to paint the greys as dependent on human or bovine organs. Make the bogey man scarier..
This appeals to the very survival core of any sentient..Can I eat it..or will it eat me..all the way down to the amoeba. Thousands of people, children even, disappearing they say..when if true it could be part a slave trade or pornography market we know exists and may be covered up with far greater vigor than even ET technology it seems.
But returning here. Here we have 15-17 witnesses gone..where is her jounalistic passion, clamoring for police notice and protection of these people, keeping it in the public eye for their safety, ? It's totally absent IMO, this could have been bought to a resolution months ago..with Linda simply moving foward..to not do so has been the height of arrogant contempt for the truth by not disclosing the full facts...merely check her past behaviour ufowatchdog.com... in hall of shame, which has yet to add this event.
In this case and then..she has never displayed an iota of concern for the real facts..only the wow.and only here she by silence and avoidance..killed the wow, relegated it to the bottom of heap at her site in favor of something with more umff stepansiville. so ....whether viral or gov or other..it seems to come back to her hoping that someone in her audience takes a banner in her defense..at the expense of the one and only possibility to determine the truth..Any good work she ever did is now undone..IMO. Auto emails is certainly not what we need now.
That to me is in itself a bigger mystery than the Isaac phenomena itself.
Fortwynts move must be replicated by us all..pro and con , yes ALL of us still involved on this matter who care....or we will continue chasing our tails..in a vicious circle. We may not find Isaac..but we should never forget what what was done or not done by her here.
This is why we continue.










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Yeah, I was pretty disappointed, I figured she might at the very least address the issue in SOME way, even if just to tell me to shove it....this sort-of "boilerplate" response, i don't know, just seems somewhat disingenuous....

I agree others need to do the same, to see if they also receive the same "Treatment".

I just got the exact same thing fortwynt fowarded to me by a friend who is a staunch lmh supporter. Did yours have the header like that?
Earthfiles.com.

Subject: From Earthfiles, Feb. 20


Please see my Earthfiles reports, now Archived and by subscription only. They were freely accessible for 120 days before Archived. If I don't charge a subscription fee for Real X-Files and Archived reports, I would not be able to afford producing, researching and reporting Earthfiles.com.

The Big Basin photos of the huge, menacing, "drone" are real.


ok here we go again..where are the photos and witnesses..
do you believe this if they are real show the world.! thats the way to get subscriptions!
Here is the letter sent



On Feb 20, 2008, Enlightened Seeker wrote: (edit for conf)


Hi Earthfiles!,

Great Recent Stories and pictures Linda!

Whatever happened to the orignal caret photos from someone named Ty. So many people claiming they are experts on photos saying things but all they are looking at is copies of copies and frankly dont know what they are talking about.! It would be great if you can get a certified expert or independent to analyze them and set the record straight! If they are bogus and emails dead or fake then C2c should be spanked (at least George I love Art and You)don't you think after you trusted them? They should have known from the beginning.I dont think its fair to you. And if those witnesses are threatened was the police called in for help or alerted to any threats??. C2C could have helped you keep the issue alive..this is all very confusing. where are people when you need them.

Hey if you were tricked so were we and it wont be the last time, as thats the nature of the beast. It could even be government disinfo Linda! It would we be great if you set the record straight so we can concentrate on on all the Stephansville stuff..We love you Linda so I hope you are not afraid to open up and close this thing we're behind you.


Enlightened Seeker

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Thanx for that compassionate letter seeker..I will have you write one to Pisces to see if we can get the caret witness to come out..

Readers dont be afraid to let us know what you all got too, if nothing that shouldn't take up to much space..!











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I just thought I should admonish our posters about Pisces..It has one of the most formidable Legal teams in the Pacific Rim,( or is it equator, shall I say southern hemisphere..I am terrible at geography.). Suffice it to say,They are brimming with legal saavy.
Case in point is their hair dresser, set designer, producer Trudi Molenaar,
aka yes, the one and only ,the ominous , flaming "Red Queen".] who as far back as 1998 put one forum on notice how to avoid copyright barriers.

trudi a molenaar sjml.spelljammer.org...
From: Trudi Ann Molenaar
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:33:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: spelljammer
as a Lawyer, can I suggest that anyone who wants to post or submit stuff
to websites based on other people's intellectual property just put a
"blurb" like "I am not the author of spelljammer but I am the author of
this unofficial supplement" at the front of whatever you create ? Works
for unofficial star trek stuff, and you are NOT breaking the copyright
laws by doing so unless you go out of your way to reprint stuff without
alteration or comment.

Trudi Molenaar - CEO; Address: Not listed, Not listed SA Not listed Australia Phone No: (02) 62967609 Email: [email protected]
www.screenhub.com.au...

The only problem is I cant find her in the OZ barristers listing..but she may be there somewhere..in Canberra..waiting for us to slip up..
so let us tread cautiously here ok?











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actually sys, mine did not have the header like that but seemed to be just a "simple" auto response (unless she really took the time to personally address my letter, which doubt)...my feeling is she probably has a few auto-response macros that she uses for such things...

here's hoping others have more success than me!!

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actually sys, mine did not have the header like that but seemed to be just a "simple" auto response (unless she really took the time to personally address my letter, which doubt)...my feeling is she probably has a few auto-response macros that she uses for such things...

here's hoping others have more success than me!!

Hi FortWynt
I will be posting some material in my comments section..I just realized that I can use that like a reference shelf..we can get back on track to what Spacebot and all of us were talking about oon the lettering..Davigag did the linear translation at om Merci Beaucoup Davi , vouze et tres brilliant , with the goal of music application..which is veryy probable..I would like to compare the lettering with Alienware , Tom Halls glyphys and Engineerintypes partial translation..The barcode has always been fascinating but it will have to wait..I do have a bar scanner at work but these things have to be a certain way and size to be read. So that leaves the letters. some of them such as the o and dot I had run across here
www.lyzrdstomp.com...

As for the decepticons..no more precious time on them, they will sow what they reap

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to access pics click on my profile then go to comments I have posted roswell Ibeam as well vertical and horizontal flips of the letters along with SGA for comparison I will post Engineerings translation ELFISSS later which would make 4 of them done
Spacebot..these links are for you specfically an the mythos and cultural evolution of this..starting
archive.alienzoo.com...
also examine the mythology in movies..they forgot to mention the most important one Forbidden planet..came 9 years after roswell
marsmovieguide.com...
Note jesse marcel first spoke about it letters 1978, so we must take into account what was sons exposure less than 48 hours versus Marcel sr recollections. Sr Marcell was intelligence officer ansd promoted several times ,a long time after and a grafics artist. I am sure you will be interested.

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so maybe it is that the "symbols/glyphs" were intentionally copied (somewhat) from that of the description of symbols on the "roswell beam" by marcel? Was an inquiry ever done with Marcels son as to what the symbols looked like? After so many years obviously the argument could be made that any "memory" he has might be colored by holyweird's elaborations on alien symbols etc....