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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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(I am reposting my answer, thread seems weird to me some html bug or somwthing, I can see 218 pages instead of 209 and my answer posted in the last one, wtf? Feel free to delete if double posted)

Wazzup guys?


Sorry If I can't be of a lot of help or participate more in this discussion but I will try to make it precise and to the point with my observations. Don't have much time to think other matters beside work these days.
Sorry if I miss-communicate


I watched the video of the project lifter and I assume is a type off...errr it creates a weak effect that...if we could take a leap of faith and describe it as a future ion drive technology, but the major problem is that they don't understand how the biefeld/brown effect works in pure scientific terms, the measured output is too weak (in actual recorded numbers) about 3 times smaller than the torque it generates in real experiments. Thats the major NASA's problem with that stuff right? So this research is still pending..for what? some positive Hadron collider results from the future?

Anyway I am not in the "detectivistic" aspect of the caret story, you guys are
its not my field anyway, so I cant be of much help in that area.

I love Gene Rodenberry's creations he was a very learned man, in many ways than one as it seems. I believe he tried to hint to many things but the trend of his time was not up to full speed to accept some facts. It still isn't. Facts proven by the evolution of mankind and our civilization. The major problem is political no societal. The desired shape of things to come, does not match our actual civilizational dynamic. It hinders it. Desirable by the minds we appointed as rulers of our time and era, even by our unwillingness or by our absence. Power corrupts.
We live in a corrupt world which its primary source of power is dead plants and animals. Sad, isn't it? We even do wars to control that don't we? You see now where I'm getting this?



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Hmm... that The Solution to the C.A.R.E.T Language isaaccaret2.fortunecity.com... is a newer addition to the first page?
Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings isaaccaret.fortunecity.com... ?
How new? There is no timestamp I think in the html source of both pages so I cannot judge! Any help on this?



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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My thing is, I can't connect the "photos" to the LAP at all, aside from the "language characters"....in other words, the photos might be "faked" (and as i understand it, most around here already have come to that conclusion a long time ago), but at what point did these "drones" (as envisioned in the "photos", show up in the LAP documents and diagrams?...is it not possible that whomever had possession of the diagrams and primer, created or had "someone" create the images of the "drones" as an aside or to further flesh out the storyline? Of course this doesn't explain "raj" and his continuing suggestion that "his" images are real, but, my point is, could the drones not simply be a sort of "proof of concept", which were being publicized as the "real deal"? not sure what im trying to say really....

At any rate, what is the purpose of the LAP (if not "really" what it is claimed to be)? If it weren't "real", then I would have to say that the only other logical conclusion I can come up with, was that it was a very hefty endeavor by many (or several) different people in many (or several)different fields, collaborating to produce the closest thing they could come up with to a metaphysical/scientific "machine", either to demonstrate working "principle/principal" or to spur the minds of humanity to explore this idea further using symbols directly tied to historic instances of spiritual enlightenment.

Still thinking though....



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Nekitamo at OMF already found this:

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Here's from Isaac:

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The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept.

And here's Mark Cater, note the copyright:

Quote:
The Solution to the C.A.R.E.T Language
© Mark Cater/The genral and Special Concepts of Spacetime Automation, Jan 2008

The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, and not just represent enormous amounts of data appears somewhat counter-intuitive, but as we shall see, the reasoning behind this will become crystal clear. - end of quote

Nobody reacted up to now. So I do:

Great find, nekitamo!!!

And is it right, that Mark has "compliled" these things, as I read on the cover?



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by spacebot
Hmm... that The Solution to the C.A.R.E.T Language isaaccaret2.fortunecity.com... is a newer addition to the first page?
Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings isaaccaret.fortunecity.com... ?
How new? There is no timestamp I think in the html source of both pages so I cannot judge! Any help on this?


I believe it is an interloper..but it could be the maker..spend time making a puzzle..then sell the answers..but he must work fast. people love to make copies..and give away for free..
But honestly..on what I have seen inside the caret..its not him but then ..Even the prettiest dog attracts fleas..I laugh at those who refused to look blinded by their wrongness....I am quite happy..actually..

I see no claim that the caret is his..especially in the copyright office..but then again..this is funny..yes..
now the sad..
The economoc collapses and wars of attrition are here..the concepts to save were always there and just as the library of alexndria was pillaged and burned..and past knowledge lost..the cycles is returning. The cartoons were a graffitti .Particularly the little prince..my favorite...a sign of protest as to the existing use of technology to harness power to do do harm..They will get their wish sooner than they realized.

But this thing..is ..may be an appeal..as you have appealed in your posts for common sense..and point to those who can help like Gupta...in reality or realistically ...The only power we have left spacebot..is prayer.faith and intent with the hope if we start over..it will be right the next time.



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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta
Nekitamo at OMF already found this:

Start quote -
Here's from Isaac:

Quote:
The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept.

And here's Mark Cater, note the copyright:

Quote:
The Solution to the C.A.R.E.T Language
© Mark Cater/The genral and Special Concepts of Spacetime Automation, Jan 2008

The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, and not just represent enormous amounts of data appears somewhat counter-intuitive, but as we shall see, the reasoning behind this will become crystal clear. - end of quote

Nobody reacted up to now. So I do:

Great find, nekitamo!!!

And is it right, that Mark has "compliled" these things, as I read on the cover?



Sidd..yes I notice his name cater is an anagram! the quote is copyrighte..but the latest copyright is 2004 on one of his works..
Excellent observation!

His copyright is actually 2006
here is where you can by book if you are interested
note the esoteric similarity of and ancient symbology
you are allowed to see the first couple pages

www.lulu.com...

..I wish Mark good luck if it is his..and I do hope he finds a nice girl..I will let you buy the copy Sidd and you email me a copy of that..

This could be a case of the jokester and a hoaxter accidently meeting
like someone robbing a bank..only someone got there before him..so they both rob the bank..
it happens all the time! durng this time many creatures came to the waterhole..after all its the only waterhole..OMF took a sip with the T shirt sales .Kris his video, drone the music, alienware the symbols, syd the graphics, and who knows what else..but the Pix belonged to somebody..perhaps we will have to wait and pay another 29.95 for that..

This is not over..lets wait and see..if I can find a place for my little fish and Pisces too..fish like water too I hope the hole is big enough!




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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 09:10 PM
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I think it very true that language, well the written variety, is highly self-activating. It is hard for those of us in the western world (who are not familar with languages from other cultures) to wrap our brains around the differences (and similarities) between the two.....i find myself trying to explain to people how it is "easy" for us to imagine a language such as the "english" variety, because in OUR written language you have a character or "letter" which is meant to contain a particular "sound", and this placed alongside other specifically designed "sound shaped" characters, forms a more complex sound, eventually culminating into a "word", and this word when placed alongside other specific words (which alone would mean something totally different, or mean nothing altogether), form a cohesive sentence.

In written language, asian for instance, it is a little different...characters tend to be "contructs" or "pictures" which, when they are altered in subtle ways, can mean something totally diffferent....a character in chinese, instead of making a particular individual "sound", would maybe be a "phrase"....one character drawn a certain way may say "the blowing wind", for instance....there is literally no "stringing together" individual 'sound characters' to make a single sentence.

But back to (written) language being self-activating.....Certainly quantum physics teaches us that by observing a thing, it tends to affect the definition of a thing, or by observing a thing it actually alters the structure of a thing on some small level. I wonder whether there is ANY language which would effect a reaction which is universal, due to the fact that most language stimulus/reaction tends to be highly culturally based, unless of course one would happen upon a very "ancient" form, where the symbol would actually translate into the base truth of a thing, and perhaps ALL language derives from such a "ancient" source...



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 09:40 PM
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This is Isaac's primary explanation to understand the symbols on the drone. Especially how the symbols work. Or perhaps the symbols he worked on or even maybe other symbols and not the ones he presents us.


People comprehend communication as a written language, because each element of the language is understood by itself. Each symbol in the alphabet which forms the language represents a sound-such as the letter (d (dee)). The symbol is known as it was taught to you in your youth.

So when we observe a symbol in an alphabet, we automatically know what that symbol signifies, as it represents a dependency upon the other symbols to form words whose meanings may be verbalized, written and even encrypted.

From this complex expressions are built. A language which is context-sensitive means that a given symbol contains, merely represents data. Literally, meaning as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or contain the entire star-map of a galaxy..


Ok now we now must have a method of lets say..."triangulation" of the correct outcome for the code we use to decipher symbols. Right?
I mean is our deciphering key the right one, or even has a proximity to the right key we must use?

Failsafe method:

We use greek arithmology (numerology)

www.chez.com...

We now test the word SUN in its archaic form which is "HLIOS" (substitute L with Lambda and S with Sigma to get the correct ancient word)

H Eta 8

L(substitute) Lambda 30

Ι Iota 10

Ο Omicron 70

S(substitute) Sigma 200


8+30+10+70+200=318 therefore 3+1+8=12 therefore 1+2=3 (3) derived from 318

or

8=8 30+3+0=3 10=1+0=1 70=7+0=7 200=2+0+0=2 therefore 8+3+1+7+2=21 therefore 2+1=3 (3) derived from 21

or

(there is a third method but I forgot sorry)


Ok I spare the details and here is the whole solar system.
Both derived with the modern western numerology and Pythagorean numerology (arethmosophea) (they are largely the same) for labeling the greek alphabet with the same numbers but the number meaning is different in according to the Pythagorean school (IMO I stick with the school)
Latin alphabet came from the greek, I feel no need to get in details.

I used the greek names of the planets which is more proper. Not the Roman or modern ones. And... Pluto IS a planet ok?


Sun=3
Mercury=2
Venus=3
Gaia=6 (thats us!)
Mars=3
Jupiter 8
Saturn=6
Uranus 9
Νeptune*=11 ορ 2 (Neptune is puzzling)
Pluto=4

I got different results with Neptune from western and Pythagorean numerology. Also I suspect the name by which at Pythagorean school Neptune was assigned a number was a different name, although I don't know which.

Oops!

I forgot the most important fact.

What do these numbers stand for.
Ok look in any book that explains what meaning represents each number in the Pythagorean system. You will be astonished by the revelations


For Instance earth is 6 and Saturn is 6.
6 speaks of the development of life. Read the myths about Saturn for instance. Wiki helps.
Here's a wiki for da man
en.wikipedia.org...

Ok where I'm getting to...

Plain and simple. Numerology is a code. We need to convert all that mambo jumbo of the caret thing to letters or numbers to see if they work. I do not thing there is another way!

Suspicions.

I suspect the symbols are imagined or hold little truth with the prototype if there is one.
I also suspect the whole presentation thing behind the alias Isaac Caret, drones etc is that someone is trying to patent something! He/she/it does not have all the answers on how to do it or what he/she/it wants to patent and he/she/it whatever.. wants us (people on the internet) to do the hard work for him/her/it.

It=alien? Nah.. A corporation or agency or whatever perhaps.

Here I said it!


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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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Hi fortwynt!
well at if the beginning all was compressed to like zero point .then beginning..there was the word..there sre some physicists who think we are in a black hole and what we are seeing is matter fall in..an oversimplification as hard to percieve o a black hole itself..for me anyway
I hear there were cultures where the women had to speak their own language, in Africa, clicks and sounds are used..but in written language..lets say a spell..it was some symbol, perhaps the paper infused with some potion or herb..and then the intent projected by those who understood it might activate something..in hebrew tradition the name of God is unpronounceable.We just know yahweh or jehova...and it was believed if you did it backwords..well the universe would unravel.
These are interesting things..perhaps solved and understood only by those who observe nature..and in some flash..it comes..while the rest of us mechanically do trial and error..without understanding how or why..some herb works and another doesnt..like cern physicists..they cross their fingers all the time..hoping something doesnt blow them sky high..especially thir curiosity with the smallest.of of things..which in reality..are matters of no small consquence as the little prince would say.



posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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(making second post since there is a forum post characters limitations)

I continue from where I left this matter on my previous post.

Sun=3
Mercury=2
Venus=3
Gaia=6 (thats us!)
Mars=3
Jupiter 8
Saturn=6
Uranus 9
Νeptune*=11 ορ 2 (Neptune is puzzling)
Pluto=4

I got different results with Neptune from western and Pythagorean numerology. Also I suspect the name by which at Pythagorean school Neptune was assigned a number was a different name, although I don't know which.

Ok. Is this all? You may ask.
No. look further.

SUN = H(lambda)IOS

Eta =ladder, divine connection
Lambda =the caret thingie? The way up, elevation (you get the picture)
Iota =ray, cathode, connection from higher level, transmission
Omicron =the whole, a system
Sigma =energy, thunder,transfer of energy

The meanings are not particularly the right ones. A correct meaning depends
on many things. Unfortunately we cannot resurect dead mathematicians, geometers (gematria) or poets to ask them about things, but we can do research on them. I can't post any link as the subject is vast as the space itself...

Good luck!


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Oh.. guys. Theres more!

When you speak the word, the ancients made every phonetic with meaning.
It is different for the letters you shout with your tongue near your gums for example, or the letters your shout with your pharings (throat) and your lips, like saying OM for example.
Now every part of the body and also the mouth and all the parts in it, have a symbolic meaning and the word that describes that part has also a meaning, like I show you above. Also what a myth tells us about for example a part of our body? Do we have myths about parts of human body and lets say..the repopulation of the earth? Here is one. Deucalion. en.wikipedia.org...

You may now imagine why some myths are so....strange, and refer to strange and complicated names.

So it is the sentence that has words in it and the organ (human) that will speak it with a particular way, also what parts will be set in motion or interact primarily for the sound (vibration) that must be generated from the individual and to become a voice with meaning. Words are sound. Sound is vibration. The human body is a perfect instrument, or at least a very sophisticated one. God is very pleased when we praise him with songs! Why is that? Only He knows. You get the meaning.

Ok, me over and out for today.


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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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Great work spacebot..i remember nnumerology where the each letter of our alphabet was numbered 1 to 9 , 1 and 9 the most powerful..7 also..one of them was the metaphysician
a 1 j 1 s 1
b 2 k 2 t 2
c 3 L 3 U 3
d 4 m 4 v 4
e 5 n 5 w 5
f 6 0 6 x 6
g 7 p 7 y 7
h 8 q 8 z 8
I 9 r

naming was importatant Like Jesus he has 3 1 s in name

so birthdates names times the numbers held a significance

a power in other words ..numbers I mean


thats why perhaps with the constants like fibonacci 1.618 and knowing the measuremnts of angles ..wtc we can calculate missing portions..

your hypothesis is valid and was bought up at one time..get the answer from the wild..muc like cryptograhic code challenges to hacker groups..like ISAAC . I once wrote to the girl who cracked KGB cyrillic code..but no answer from her..she busy making money with Gov and workshops.

Hmm Spacebot ..Look what the cat bought into the house..hehehe
brilliant..Thank you..




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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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I am searching for hours about an historicaly accurate table with pythagorean interpretations for each of numbers from 1 to 9. No such luck yet. Maybe its only on books! There is also Plato who speaks about 11 and 12 in Timaeus or was it Critias? What the heck. Lets get them both!
Lots of stuff. Too much data too little time but we are many. Compartmentalize.

Like the pros do it.

Maybe its easier to construct a theory of everything than what we set to do..but...Ohhh... theory of everythink?

Hmmm...

Lets see... www.youtube.com...
youtube Garret Lisi and a..theory of everythink?

Oops! What is this link doing here?!

GARRET LISI?

This is the man! The link I was intending to post..oh yes. Its the same man with one of his workshops explaining his coil...can anyone find his coil represenation videos? I didn't have any luck.

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Ok! I am really signing out for today this time!
C ya laterz Sys_Config, Sidd, fortwynt and everyone else!

I am sorry I have not commented and expanded on what you guys presented with your latest posts but there is not time for now. I apreciated every input though. We always have tomorrow!

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posted on Feb, 1 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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Thank you SB and hello to you too SYS! Believe, I am keeping up with your posts even if I don't immediately respond....but here's something I found interesting in reference (vaguely) to SB's last post...

Pythagorean Numerology

Enjoy!



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by spacebot
This is Isaac's primary explanation to understand the symbols on the drone. Especially how the symbols work. Or perhaps the symbols he worked on or even maybe other symbols and not the ones he presents us.


People comprehend communication as a written language, because each element of the language is understood by itself. Each symbol in the alphabet which forms the language represents a sound-such as the letter (d (dee)). The symbol is known as it was taught to you in your youth.

So when we observe a symbol in an alphabet, we automatically know what that symbol signifies, as it represents a dependency upon the other symbols to form words whose meanings may be verbalized, written and even encrypted.

From this complex expressions are built. A language which is context-sensitive means that a given symbol contains, merely represents data. Literally, meaning as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or contain the entire star-map of a galaxy..


This is Mark, not "Isaac". Reality looks different. I just shot this photo an hour ago. THAT is reality!




posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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Okay Mark,

the clowns are drunk now and I can spend some more time for your attention seeking ego.

It is sad, that you neither find a woman nor a publisher, although your works would change our world completely. But as it is:

"May to feel the way that every child should
sit and listen, sit and listen-n
Went to school and I was very nervous,
no one knew me, no one knew me"

Now you are famous, and everybody is going to buy your books! I hope, you didn't sign a contract, that you disclaim any income...

To the others: I must confess, that I had to think about this anagram-thing for a moment. But it is easy to explain: Mark googles for his oqn name every day and either google gave him Caret for Cater or he mistyped his own name one day.

After all, he is not alone, being his fan. Anonymous Litarary Agent A. Brooks loves his works, too. (Still doesn't want to publish them.)

For more answers look up Mark's questions at yahoo:

1. Are There Bases on Mars?
2. Why is it so difficult to find the correct information on search engines?
3. How Can a Self-Published Author Get Free Book Distribution?
4. How Does an Indepndent BOOK Distributor Make Money?
5. Are There Other Levels of Conciousness?
6. What do you like about The Incredible Hulk?
7. Can Angels, Demons and Aliens Manifest Physically?
8. Have you seen the reptilians?
9. What is an independent book distributor?
10. Is there really a government conspiracy?
11. How can I get the bestseller spot on amazon without paying for it?
12. How does a non-profit get it`s acrylic drop box-(es) into convenient stores ?

Here are my answers, Mark:
1. No.
2. One must know, how to do it.
3. Nothing is for free.
4. He doesn't.
5. Yes, you live to see it every night.
6. The colour.
7. No.
8. Yes, at the zoo.
9. Somebody, who doesn't find a publisher.
10. No, there are many.
11. Never.
12. Give it away for free and they will hide it under their desks.

Btw: I know a nice British lady, who would fit, but she is already married to the incredible Hulk.

Hope you don't get too many weird mails after your last trial to change the world!

Good luck!



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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That was not only an objective assessment but extremely informative as well! (I love the zoo and under the desk thing..I just did that yesterday with someone..) I have a feeling the people at LULU really charged him a lot for those 19 pages to download. Given the friends I made here and there, and who are now over here I may buy the thing just as a momento or give as a gift to the one who stood by me like a spartan 300 warrior

Isaac! no..Sidd
If mark is reading..I did a nice post..positive at a certain Australian site, which has to answer some questions themselves....so if a lot of interested emails come in to you dont be shy.
I do give credit where credit is due..

Thanx Sidd
I love the red clowns and Cotton Candy!
Its like a Parade in Habana!


Mark Is welcome at ATS anytime..because he took the route he had to, there are many inventors out there no one will listen to, he has been on this since 1995. There is such an an inventor who is a Greek garage mechanic who loved physics, plasma physics, to be precise and he drewup a plan for I believe it was a toklomac confinement device. he presented it to University people and they ignored him..When the US committee of highest thinkers came across a problem their think tank came up with a similar desiign..someone saw the design and contacted the mechanic..He is now a member of that committee which is in charge of the national us defense think tank.(commercial applications included).a very small and elite group..I remember the turkish astronomer, who because of his traditional turban attire and pantaloons, was laughed at..of an asteroid discovery..it was not until a year later, it was corrobrated b214 or something like that . So..people like this have only us..to bounce their ideas and works..

In this way..perhaps..we can look at what Marks idea is.but he must be willing to take critique..by fellow inventors or people interested either in your device or in you as a person , no dialogue..no discussion..no relationship..and women are hardwired for dialogue.. (and there really are people in high places interested, some I like..some I dont)in the same thing..Here at ATS..it will be given a fair audience ..and it will be most importantly..fun, so do not be discouraged you have friends and an ear here. Sidd.I truly hope you write one too..because you are beyond brilliant..and the humour and wisdom intertwined..are the hallmarks of a best seller!


PS. Dont do things with LMH ever again..she put the movement back many years if anything..Thats what I call bad science and journalism.




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posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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Helloooo people!,

If you click on News on Mr Cater's website there is a number of links you click with weird images and strange text, what is this guy all about? do we care? find out in the next install......ah never mind



posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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Tried Mark's site lately?

It is even better! There is someone out there, who has at least as much humour as I have:

"This message has been brought to you by
members and ex-members of The Probability Control Force and
The Secret Society Network Intelligence Alliance of Paralell Universe Emergence.

And was masterfully engineered and administrated by
The Association of Internet Quantum Tunnelers.
Thank you, and have a pleasant day."

Sorry, Mark... Can't protect you. Ask the OMRT-Force or call the next drone...

Edit to add: There is somebody out there, who doesn't want to see Mark with a woman... Queer!

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posted on Feb, 2 2008 @ 02:54 PM
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Oh My Sidd, That is scary!

from markcater.com

..I saw the serponia comments on serpo too....It certainly fits the O- Mf'ers s profile just fine!
At least Mark is honest..its entertainment..unlike LMH and others within the circle of the Big Three of ufology..
Sigh... However,..A slight course adjustment may be in order here.


Hi october! long time no see....can you post links or the pictures you are referring to?

I am going to the beach now..to ride on an ostrich on the merry go round..its really fun.

Sidd I understand the OMRT team is analyzing the clown fotos for CGI as they think its :too real: to be :real: and the people too happy to be happy!
Is it possible OMRT can make better clowns? Do they Have clown experts? I here hey have a very big Tent!
will we ever stop laughing! hahahaha

add : Sidd I was looking up A Brooks...is it the Alicia Brooks or Adelai barrons Brooks people..some will not touch sci fi..No answer from pisces..i wonder what the attorney and good doctor has in mind..Do you think its possible The probabilty police ran into John Titor while they were tunneling through time or maybe ELFISS err I mean Elvis P. My recommendation to ufohunters is to cross out the part "government may be involved"..and leave "Hoax "..Watching and laughing may be a better substitution..now who will fess up to the pix and graphiix..Mark makes no mention..Perhaps October saw something we missed.





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