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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:12 AM
reply to post by 987931

Interesting stuff. I must confess that I read just a page or two of the Isaac crapola. That whole episode so reeks of fermented animal waste that I left my examination of it in considerable disgust. I never got to any dimensions given in the text, but you are right, no engineer uses such a clumsy, error-prone system. The examples you give of "Isaac's" dimensions are laughable.

As for the "explanation" of the Mars Orbiter loss, a good many of us hold that scenario in the same esteem as the Air Force's infamous Time Traveling Crash Test Dummies "explanation" of Roswell.

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:43 AM
nine ,you are absolutely right
I read both the holophonic excerpts based on Zucarelliss work, where the inner ear functions as a responding interforemometer reconciling the ears own frequencies with external stimuus leading to undersanding of course that The basilar membrane analyses many individual spectral components of a sonic environment, all processed in parallel by the brain...

The digital process for generating holophonic sound can be computed from just a few lines of computer code which is where you step in I assume.
This is wonderful stuff.

and the holgrahic/hologramic brain iworks you pointed out. that in the experiment with the salamander tissue retransplanted in the eye of a gnute transferred the donors learning to the new host

quotes from wiki you provided me
The hologram Julesz and Pennington had in mind had just been discovered by a pair of engineers, Emmett Leith and Juris Upatnieks, and represented the beginning of holography as practiced today. The basic holographic principle -- capture of a complete code of a wave front -- had been discovered in 1947 by Dennis Gabor. But Leith and Upatnieks devised methods to make Gabor's code virtually sizeless and to endow every part of the exposed film with a complete record a scene's entire image. This equipotential property meant the whole message can be reconstructed from only a fraction of the hologram.
My experiment was to transplant various parts of a trained adult's brain into the head of a naive larva. What happens is this: a previously naive host becomes a looker- up without any training. The transplant alone suffices to give the animal the necessary memory. Neither the part of the brain, nor the site in the host's cranium changed the results. What about the donors? They still remember the task. In other words, the necessary information existed both in the pieces of transplanted brain and in the parts left in place.
The implication is that memory is hologramic;* all memory can theoretically be contained in the smallest unit of the medium, whatever that may be.
When I began shufflebrain research in earnest, my intentions were to refute the basis for any hologramic memory theory and substitute an alternative of my own. My theory has long since vanished. What Julesz and Pennington suggested a long time ago has survived every test thus far conducted in my laboratory. Where it will lead, we still really don't know.
End of quotes from wiki
this is stagerring and scary stuff..I wonder whatever happened to the proposeed transfer of human brain tissue to rats. I recall years ago at the time that "assurances "were forthcoming that only the absolute minimum would be transferred and they laughably gave a percentage even of the what they projected would influence the rat that no consciousness would develop.. I have not heard more since then

My goodness..I can barely keep up with you..I may need a transfer from a rodent to me..

I will study up on kuhns work ..Thats an area i am deeply concerned with..the violent episodes...whether set by nature..or man..and nature despite our Uber All, including cleverness.

I am starting to feel like one big tuning fork. But I would enjoy listening to some of your sound clips, unless of course I have to purchase virtual headphones..then I will have to rely on Sid and doubles ears for feedback. (no pun intended
but that was odd..)

Do you believe Issacs messages are a warning to us because of the almost overweighted emphasis on military applications as applied to full EM spectrum dominance and surveillance technologies linked with ALF, and AI systems, like Alexei Samsonvich "little Alex', as I call him, at Mason University, Ferret at HS, facebook and other image collection sites, that facillitate ferret, on line and locally on the street cameras...that we stand to lose a substantial amount of freedom or liberties in the process, for only small gains in personal security, much less improving Earths deterioration because of mans activities.That this is in fact is a kind of libertarian statement postion undertaken in releasing the material for the real good of the order and mankind, or simply. telling us.."wake up and smell the coffee!".

Regarding the "fluff" as I now affectionately, call it..themes ran from enjoyment of twister, to religion and philosophy, and astronomy, even indirectly heaven and hell along with the famous cast of characters from cdr.keen..which places him about the same age at least in his mid forties to perhaps even a baby boomer, liked Dopefish and the Little Prince..and a somewhat deep religious undercurent, without the religiosity, seems to pervade both anagrams and hi res characters.

Do you think that by using 3d ink, then printing the images, whatever Isaac intended us to see, will become clearer . I dont expect ET but i do almost photographic like images..that appear to be embedded in there.
. I have also hypothesized because of the thematic mulitlayering given the similarity to some of the patterns scene in circular barcodes may actually be shotcode, or as in color they resemble more microsofts enhanced quick reader.that is being tested on dvd while the former is in common use on cell phones. Speculative, but the patterns prevent me from discarding that speculation,.

This is one hell of a crackerjack box 9., in fact its like getting a whole case of the stuff. Yes I agree this took many years to weave..its not a 6 month storyboard project..even with respect to the narratives. Musical tones were found at another forum..yet i believe there is more..and perhaps you can point us to that because of your acoustics background. heck the setup may as well have been a sansui reciever.
So many music groups turned up in this thing that I wondered if they already knew the answer. This is a real labor of love. I would like us to give it the same care and appreciation He would have wanted..
Lord I have not even touched on the energy, and lithium ion connection as it relates to fusion, plasma or even electro gravitics..but if we take the bundle apart one stick at a time we may get somewhere and perhaps get off the ground


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posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 03:55 PM
I just cannot believe that our ATS thread has been totally trashed by OMF expatriots who have just decided to move all of their banal socializing crapola over here. Where is the research and all of the inquiring minds?


Is this the reason why everyone got sacked, banned, or spanked over there, methinks?

Well, I guess that leads to more views for the ads, right Springer?

This is not a personal attack, guys and gals. Just how I feel. And, frankly, if its time to move on, I will.

(And I am sure that someone will tell me to do so)

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 03:57 PM
Please fogive the 10 and twenty questions. Its not often we get a real professional in the forums that can help shed light. Acoustic Engineers are rare.. (terrible I know) and God knows when you may return. I have 2 questions one is does it appear in Isaacs units and measurements incorporated gemoetries that he used sacred geometries such as in the coral castle.One early poster had made some fascinating observations..and having seen Karl Simanonokes brain and light theories, the issues of the meisner fields, humans as supeconductors..the theory more or less went like this and is part is purely speculative ,( as a narrarative and diagram can only tell us so much,) except of course Isaac did it.

Quote: from keelynet
Additionally it has been determined that there are certain sound frequencies
that are light resonant. This information was held by the Priesthoods of
various religions and groups and were called the "Sacred Sounds" and also
known as the "Lost Sacred Chord". These sounds form a "sacred scale"of
octives that as Bruce L. Cathie in his book put it so eloquently "A very
strict ordered system of mathematical progressions is necessary to create the
smallest speck of matter from the primeval matrix of space." This
mathematical fractal progression utilizes the mathematical equation relating
the three "Sacred Ratio's" in the form PHI = 7/5 PI/e.

PHI - the ratio that controls the formation of life.
PI - the ratio that controls the formation of circles.
e - the ratio that control the formation of logarithmic spirals.

The 7, and the 5 form the range of notes in the sacred scales that are
equivalent in the Indian and Chinese sytems.

The Sacred chord is composed of the first three Prime Numbers and just happen
to intersect the first three numbers in the Fibonacci Series: 2,3 and 5.
Both considered to "Sacred Number Series". These then are in a octive
resonantly tuned correspondence system tied to the Platonic solids delimiting
the range of Three Space. The Triune nature of this system sets the stage
for building of the Universe on a basis of a static and dynamic Aether.

The Searle effect tells us that an object contained in a sufficiently stong
magnetic bubble could be levitated, hence Leedskalnin singing to his stones
induced resonantly an amplified diamagnetic field in his chakras body of
sufficient strength to which then by touching the stone enveloped it and
levitated the stones on the Earth grid magnetic field lines.

End of quote

Is it possible that the what Isaac is saying is that the ,military has broken the code..that leeds left behind..or have you in your own line of work been able to incorporate any of the esoteric principles described for unusual properties of sound.

My last question (It is friday night after all) What do you think of Isaacs incredible ability to mimic different speech styles yet still give himself away..almost intentionally ,as the sole person.Other forums are swearing on stacks of bibles he couldnt do it.
Does he deserve an Oscar for that..To me he has an incredible sense of humor..equal to his talents..There may be another forum trying to mimic the writing style for one of their witnesses Shirley, but honest 9..this Isaac is the Sundance film festival wrapped into one..
Its as if he knew he could not really trust anyone to do this but himself..(that is very smart)
andd so as witnesses go..they all hinted of one person.

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posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 04:10 PM
reply to post by klatunictobarata

Most of us "refugees" from OMF have also been members here for a long time ( i joined here during the Ohare UFO flap myself) . I dont see what the problem is that we decided to migrate this way when OMF decided skepticism was no longer to be tolerated and their OMRT began disrespecting people doing real research!! As for the few others that have left there and joined here......all good people seeking the same thing the rest of the members at ATS are seeking......TRUTH!!!

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 04:33 PM
Guys do not respond!

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 04:57 PM
Of course, I do respond!

I have been here long time before. Not writing much, because I did not want to dance on different wedding parties at once.

Now, they banned me at OMF, because I said: "
Ivo is part of the discussion and then sudennly closes it."
He prooved it to be true, by doing it again.

I don't mind at all.

I know, that this all is just a ... gag. Now it seems, I have to stay here, because some guys don't let us go like that, but try to throw mud...

Are you one of those? I wouldn't have expected. You don't want the truth? Again, I wouldn't have expected.

The truth is, that nobody has anything! And they deny cooperation, because it would make them foolish (they think).

Indeed they already looked foolish from the start. ATS was one of those forums, which only joined playing for playing. Well done.

Looking at different forums here, I see, this is the best place. (But the technical problems are bad!)

Greetings to nemo! Reader

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 05:05 PM

Originally posted by klatunictobarata
I just cannot believe that our ATS thread has been totally trashed by OMF expatriots who have just decided to move all of their banal socializing crapola over here. Where is the research and all of the inquiring minds?


Is this the reason why everyone got sacked, banned, or spanked over there, methinks?

Well, I guess that leads to more views for the ads, right Springer?

This is not a personal attack, guys and gals. Just how I feel. And, frankly, if its time to move on, I will.

(And I am sure that someone will tell me to do so)

I like you already!

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 05:12 PM
its ok , Klatuu not well , he never did that before..we have had new people before..this is different..his medicine is me..moderator will fix it and klatuu will get better.

WE have new person and an acoustics specialist..thank God..I know it will get better. The Aussies know about OMF and Linda too..I dont think they like that kind of monkey business. But 9 may be able to shed light ..on the questions asked. He sounds like you when you are on a a machine cpu..I hope mufon talks to American Shirley or one of the other 4 has to be it no?
..I hope graduation went well you know who... o/

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posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 06:45 PM
I received all of your u2u's but cannot replied until I get to 20 posts.

Sys...I am on it

Shads I hear that the wyz will return..RU has.

I was thinking something today.

We don't have to prove this a hoax.

The burden of proof is not on us

Did you all read about this mufon investigation?

posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:25 PM
Sys_config, I hope I didn’t mislead you. I’m not an acoustic engineer, I have just experimented with acoustic holographs because this represents a convergence of interests; particularly the hologramic theory of mind and music composition. I did my PhD in psychometrics, but I have diverse interests.

Apologies, I have a nasty virus so can’t write much. You are most welcome to hear my samples of 3D sound, though they’re not online anywhere. Only regular headphones required. Actually, the comment they can be produced with a few lines of code, to which you refer, is not mine, and is misleading without any explanation of what the code is supposed to do.

“Isaac” refers on p. 2 of the report to a “Three dimensional image recorder/projector”. If genuine, I would bet this is holographic technology.

“Isaac” also says:

“But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.”

I could be wrong, but given the earlier reference to the holographic substrate, it seems to me very likely that the field is the source of a coherent wave, electromagnetic or otherwise, that is required to produce a hologram – just as, according to hologramic theory, our brains produce holograms using, for example, firing neurons that act precisely as waves.

Isaac says “Humans like written language because each element of the language can be understood on its own, and from this, complex expressions can be built. However, their "language" is entirely context-sensitive, which means that a given symbol could mean as little as a 1-bit flag in one context, or, quite literally, contain the entire human genome or a galaxy star map in another. The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data is another counter-intuitive aspect of this concept.”

I may be wrong, but this again reminds me a lot of the hologramic theory of mind. Even if on the right track, though, I’m not sure what the relevance of the symbols, themselves, is. You can get an idea of why I say this here:

You ask: “or have you in your own line of work been able to incorporate any of the esoteric principles described for unusual properties of sound.”

Well, I wouldn’t put it that way. I’ve applied hologramic principles to normal properties of sound; namely that it is possible to produce a coherent wave by vibrating regions of air with a specific frequency. Whenever it is possible to create a coherent wave source, split it (or something analogous) and create interference patterns, it is possible to create a hologram. All of it seems to point toward this technology working on holographic principles, which in a limited domain, I’ve found much easier to produce and exploit than conventional wisdom would seemingly have it.

I really better rest. I’ll try to back up with more later.

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posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:57 PM
Thanx 9, please get rest I just got over a flu the otherday myself ..get well. I will attempt to digest more of what you have given..Your insight will help us I am sure. If you rule out an online psych study going on (that excludes viral as well )that will be a really really big relief too.

someone mentioned Titor there was a hispanic named alex that RU had detected but could not snag, then there is victor martinez in serpo, then there is adam Jimenez in the scorpion salvage case..gee Latinos must be movin on up like the Jeffersons of ufology....I hope ours isnt Julio and Don Foolio.

I hope you all enjoy 9 s postings..they can be real eyeopeners..

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:59 AM
I really have to limit my posts, still very unwell, but I couldn't resist checking this point about the notation X feet, Y inches.

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
reply to post by 987931 engineer uses such a clumsy, error-prone system. The examples you give of "Isaac's" dimensions are laughable.

My father was an engineer in the petrolium industry for over 30 years. I have just asked him about this. His quote, almost verbatim, was that in most drawings, that is the notation they would use for the imperial system. That is, they would use X feet, Y inches.

Not for metric though.

So much for 'no engineers would use this notation'.

My father's word is more than enough for me because I know the extent and depth of his experience with complex diagrams and schematics. If anyone wishes to verify directly for themsleves, however, I'd suggest doing a little homework -- I'm quite sure you'll quickly find out.

Enough from me, back to resting! Just couldn't resist looking into this.

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posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 05:02 AM

Originally posted by Sys_Config
DR Dil was only one asked a really genuine question....

No anagram necessary there
Dr Dill please add that to the notes


I’d like to draw attention to one of the questions I asked Mr. Carrion:

“Steve has also said that after gaining permission from Mufon that the images were sent to your own Mufon photo consultants, Dr. Bruce Macabee, and Mr. Jeff Sainio. He adds that, “The result was unanimous the images were fakes”.

Can you verify this?”

His Reply:

“Jeff Sainio and Bruce Maccabee's assessment will be included in the MUFON Journal article.”

I worded the question deliberately so that any acknowledgement of this course of action would constitute a positive, I know for a fact that they announced it fake, as did Marc D’Antonio and Steve Neil, these are the four experts Steve speaks of when he writes:

Originally posted by Steve Reichmuth
“I shared publicly some of my findings, and Mufon thought it was premature to do so. I have saved the posts. Mufon thinks I should keep quiet publicly about the Capitola bogus images till the appropriate time. My passion in preventing seeing people deceived and perhaps manipulated by an unknown individual or agency on the Internet was my motive for posting my findings.
Bottom line...the images have all been checked by 4 experts, and all the images are all bogus as hell. lol”

Interestingly, all four digital image experts also said they were fake for different reasons, meaning that apparently every image analysed has at the very least four, “Tells”.

But perhaps more importantly Mufon was aware of this and neglected to mention it, I originally posted the question in the Mufon thread but when it remained unanswered posted it in the main discussion thread. I believe James was worried about what Steve had previously divulged and hinted at such by inquiring as to the extent of his postings and asking if, “Steve’s full report had been posted”.

I’m going somewhere with this!! What I’m trying to say is if you accept the conclusions of the four independent analysis’s then the chance of any of the Drone accounts containing factual content is slim to non-existent, I suspect much like the Big Basin bike trail…..

Also Sys, while I respect and admire your research into Dopefish et al, I honestly believe that such an avatar will not be found in the documents, especially so if it is as Mufon evidently suspects, i.e. that it’s government disinformation. Even if it’s an out and out hoax perpetrated by non-government personnel then it’s a slick operation and I struggle with the idea that something as obvious as a signature would be included by the person/people responsible as everything else has so far proven to be pretty much watertight, also it appears as if no entity is prepared to claim the hoax as their own as I feel this would have happened not long after the Isaac documentation was released if it was going to. Which I believe also pre-empts the chances of there being any kind of signature involved, I think if someone is eventually to claim responsibility for it then this will be done by providing the pre-rendered models or other examples of the CGI process.

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posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 05:02 AM
I believe that the key to the Drones lies with locating and identifying the person/s responsible for releasing the images & documents into the public domain, all of LMH’s witnesses who appeared, “After the fact” are in my opinion inconsequential as besides the fact that they could be unknowingly (subconsciously) editing their accounts to mirror the original Drone witnesses they may just be plain deceitful which is sad but unfortunately it’s also a fact of life. If these eye witnesses had appeared before the first Drone sighting then my stance would be the complete opposite, but I feel that under the circumstances which they released their information that their subsequent reports should be ignored and only the original witnesses should be concentrated on, which if you believe the Drones are hoaxed is unfortunate as it was their reports that detracted greatly from the legitimacy of the original ones.

E.g. Mysterious Sequoia Park Rangers assuming the role of Men in Black (by our friend Shirley, the retired California mental health professional), Drones (which by definition are unmanned) reacting instantly and intelligently to lights being shone at them, parts of/or complete Drones being witnessed in AFB hangars which were hosting a public event (i.e. nearly identical to an approximately 25-foot-long “display model” in a Barksdale AFB, Louisiana, air show attended by the anonymous professional engineer on or about 1987), or Ned White, the Automation Engineer from Phoenix, Arizona who claimed, “I saw leaves on the trees where it moved over - they moved like it was pushing air down” which is strange considering Chad’s friend captured the image from directly below with no reported effects, and let’s not forget Robert Mariotti, C. Ht. D. D., Clinical Hypnotherapist and Doctor of Divinity with his fluorescent green, snowglobe-like, horseshoe crab Drone!! Etc. etc.

Also, LMH was definitely in contact with Chad after the report was published as she wrote:

Originally wrote by LMH
I emailed Chad that the water insect analogy has been used by people I've interviewed about UFO sightings - both smooth motion, followed by rapid, jerky motion in a different direction, and then smooth motion again. It would be very valuable to record the aerial object's motion on videotape and Chad is going to try.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
a special shoutout to Dr Dil and especially rred and sospicioso ..elf sends his regards Some links I sent to some members were most liikely cutoff routinely by server..I will resend later.

I didn’t receive any U2U’s but it just occurred to me that you might not know I have an account here!!

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 06:54 AM
reply to post by 987931

Hmmm. Were these diagrams for machinery? Obviously my statement "no engineer..." took in an awful lot of territory. I am very familiar with drawings for machinery, so it's not like I was talking through my hat. Civil engineers and surveyors commonly use decimal feet, which is confusing to people who encounter it without prior training. You get things like 89.3 feet, which is not all that much different than 89' 3", but certainly not the same, hence the confusion unless you are working withing that system. Something like "one foot, 10.3 inches" looks, er, alien to me and seems to be asking for trouble.

Anyway, thanks for asking your father.

Is there an ATS Speculation Team? Are they taking applications?

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posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 10:54 AM
reply to post by DrDil

Great posting as usual DrDil

I did receive sys's u2u but the links did not work and I still can't reply.

One more post I think.

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posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 11:55 AM
Yes, DrDil,

and the most desinfo comes from the strong believers, telling the world, there are 28 witnesses, where there are only a couple of mails...

The most interesting things, Shirley had to say, were about the contacts between LMH and the witnesses:

Obviously none with Lake Talahoe. (James wrote, that she only left a dead email address.)
(LMH: Have had no independent communication with alleged photographer.)

Some exchange with Chad until he suddenly dissappeared.
(LMH: I have corresponded several times with Chad, know his full name
and might be talking with him in person in the future.)

Shirley herself, of course.
(LMH: I have her full name, address, phone, and professional background.)

Never had any contact to Raj, says Shirley.
(LMH: I know his full name and have corresponded with him in email several times and hope to talk with him in the future on the record, whether he allows his real name to be used.)

One mail from the Yosemite-mother, no further response.
(LMH: She has corresponded with me by email.)

So far Shirley pretends to have knowledge. She does not mention anything about the "witnesses", who wrote later than this.

LMH writes:
I have his full name, address and phone number.

I have his full name, address, phone number and professional background.

I have not had independent communication with either.

He is willing to be interviewed and is currently trying to get some of his colleagues to join him in an interview.

When Robert Mariotti saw my Earthfiles reports, he contacted me by email and phone...

I have his full name, address, phone number, where he works and professional background.

Ted Connors
Have his full name, address, phone numbers and professional background.

And, of course, Isaac...

Even if we count them all as witnesses, this does not make 28. And LMH had at least at this time (when she wrote this) only real contact to those witnesses, who are telling things, which are far away from the CARET-story and even were not mentioned by Isaac.

Raj would be different, but there is a contradiction between LMH and Shirley about contact with him.

After all, there are only 5 "witnesses", who made fotos, and none, who really tried to confirm their story by convincing other witnesses or to get better material, as Chad and Ty had promised.

I never understood, how could one swallow the Isaac-story. His explanations are proof enough, that this is nothing but a joke.
The primer and the language show the close relation to the other drones. This also identifies them as hoax.

Another way of desinfo is too exaggerate the costs and time, this hoax would mean. Or such foolish eclamations like "This can't be human!"

I remember how some guys fooled the Ufology-group at my school. It was the easiest thing, to make them look ridiculous, sending them a photo of a "real UFO". They proudly put it on the walls, saying: "Now you won't laugh at us anymore! Here is the real thing!"
You can imagine, what happened, when the jokers published the true story. The laughter was bigger than ever before...

posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 12:37 PM
I didnt know that DrDil, you rascal you..I know it now though. At this point LMH IMO really has nothing, other than communications she may have had with these people, which she is within her rights to keep to herself I guess, and had they wanted to they could have shared. I believe it would be a waste to pursue anything with her as her invesitgations have been rather shallow and only reported if it had a bombshell effect. They serve only the function that something may have taken place. If the intial questions to her had your thouroughness..)preventing the wiggle out with a true/but really not the whole truth) we might be somewhere else further along on this inquiry but she will no longer answer your type of questions.but she is water under the bridge for me personally. As her ethics go thats aother question. Mufos inquiry stops at LMH, because of her behaviour,and as a natural consequence can only conclude based on their experience and allow me..common conclude hoax, as in the Scorpion case with Jimenez somehow connected to australia ddomain(Odd,australia keeps poping up lately in my searches)...but they understand that disinfo is a valid option.., and I can wholeheartedly agree with that kind of assessment as well as a leak. Our little prop and papers , if like a reverse psychology..(let me stop there)

Now althogh dopefish and the colorations of TH characters were there, the other cartoons in there that were "not" affiliated,(prince, astronomer, lady with umbrella, did trouble me in my TH hypothesis, more than the heckling and protests, (who didnt want any cartoons and no fun at all, sad)and even silence from Kingsisle, because it left a door for other candidates., an admirer of TH work, well trained in art graphics with a middleastern or Indian influence and an Engineer as well, knowledgeable in autonomous avionics and programming..but something else which is why I posted the ELFSSS comment by EngineeringType..who came and defended the science behind the diagrams ....and rightfully so, I might add, He brilliantly deciphered some of the letters back in JULY!ELFSSS is really ELFSS (using the Isaac method ;0)a Communications and EM Spectrum survey system which EngineeringType (ET) and he told us how he did..but left the rest to do because of incessant accusations, instead of the audience maintaining a listening and learning mode... Its a hell of a hoax to point to a massive EM survey project, Global in scope..Its like a seti for communications.part of the EM spectra as well perhaps our own bioform emanations and those of yes..ETs) Why is a hoaxer hiding this under fluff, (but I got that fluff message if no one else did)..because perhaps , I say perhaps, it was intended as a leak...The way Jesus and SidHarthur did when they spoke to masses in Parables..anyway Metaphoricall and similes literary tools ..and Isaac has not disappointed me yet in that regards.

But gee Mr.Sys..what about all those kewl nifty antigrav generators in the Lap?
For god sake grow up son!..the message in the pipe cleaners, first Identified by Spacetimenews as such by Razimus, was to imply GPS and AI autonomy which which Sidd explained very well in his very first comment to 9, (( and 9 as a sidenote:If Your dad in the Petrol industry saw the gps petroleum cleaners , anatomically identical to the antigrav units he can tell you off the gitgo what they are and how they work) and especially the military applications by extension of thought.. Trust me when i say that each element in that system "is" the system as reader joyfully reminded me at the big O , we are one!
now, as Sidd goes on, Some of this stuff has to be dummied down, and this is how we have it now, and still some might not get it except..Gee thats Kewl.

So we should review EngineeringTypes (who is also possibly English as well "Cheers" but may be in states)comments in full..for info..and get return to discovering the rest of science in the Diagrams and Narrative. If gov dis info involved it would be to prevent a secret yet in our faces variant of that technology from spreading)
Now until Mufon gives me a gun, and a badge and a salary, and traveling expenses Im not chasing anygov agent. Thats their job..
No siree not me. But note it always come back to Linda..

Lets stick with what we know we have in our hands. we know its "hoax" but with a purpose other than thrill .I am glad we have better technical representation here with 9 and Double and even Sidd..back in the dayz had,..that we didnt have that before.

.Perhaps we can get the rest of letters based on combo of ET and Toms galactic chart as well while another tackles the ELF link pdf..its in English and would be ironic if the frequencies really could pick up ET transmission..(I kid of course ..but imagined linked to a wider you "feel" about something might be.the new frontier..the next step..thought) . The Japanese in WWII did it succesfully with their thought patrols , just by talking about they could read peoples minds,, .arresting at random people on street to keep in line the populace kept things "manageable" The power of imagination does do all the work.
I believve raj and Chad were Eastern descent, (.oddly the anagrams of Raj Stephan and Jenn and Isaac yield also Hadji or return to mecca a pilgrimage just for fun now ok?)

Lord just keep the 65000 Raelians ,Shirley and Tomcruise fans, cropcirclits, and Bin Laden ,out of this but do help us find the ones who have the one foot in America and the other foot in Europe..whose coils , or Day of Tentacles ever embrace us..before we all recieve the kiss of eternal sleep .Amen.

add..Sidd I was in a sheer state of Euphoria on your LMH post..the cgi backdrop of Truth against her statements and witness Exposed all the jaggies in her position,,perhaps she needs more practice with that software Radiosity to make her statements appear more realistic

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posted on Jan, 19 2008 @ 03:17 PM
Hi Sys,

the fun is getting better and better. Admin of OFM did an important announcement... Okay, not really, since he had no words of his own, he uses the words of an academic...

In German I would say: "Sein Arsch geht auf Grundeis!" Don't know how to translate this. (His as met the ground-ice... ) Funny, I liked OMF, but they did not appreciate it.

Obviously there is nothing new from anybody. Still looking for the bycicle of tomi's grandson... Meanwhile counting spikes. And little devil took over...

Waiting for James' article...

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