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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Oct, 1 2007 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Sys_Config
Now that that has been resolved we can proceed back to the original problem an explanation for Caret. I have a problem with Isaac in the original document where first asserts he is an electrical enginner and a programmer," then subsequently blurts out that if you see a slloppily dressed physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad .." to that effect.
now if he was afraid of disclosing as a cause...and then consquences being shipped out to Iraq.."patrolling" implying military assignment, ie a soldier physicist,then we have have what we call in the con trade "cracking out of turn"..because at the end Isaac fears on a call from the " IRS."
Nowhere does he say he is a physicist, if he were he would not have bumbled the hovering question PJ caught, and Siddharta concured..was an embarrasing point for Isaac. the writer puts us in a quandry, as if writing about himself as Isaac, a programmer, then referring himself as a physicist, or..we have two people.. each giving the plot outline to a third, who blew it. I like both .
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If Isaac is real, then I don't think a 60+ year retiree would fear being put on patrol in the streets of Baghdad... I believe he was joking as he stated: "(I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)"...




posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 06:15 AM
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To KRIS AVERY, or pjslug or others in the industry, could you please tell me how much time it took to make the "STRANGE CRAFT music video?" Not being savvy at all about coding, video construction and model wireframing, I am fascinated in this professional 4:50 showpiece. What kind of machine cpu/workstation was used? What programs were utilized? Thanks for showing us something that goes one step beyond!



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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No clue Klat, I don't do 3D modeling, but I imagine it took awhile to make. It was pretty damn good. I'm sure an expert could probably do it in a few weeks, maybe less. I would venture to say anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months. But that's just a guess.



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 08:35 PM
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Thanks for the estimate, pj! I thought it took that much time...perhaps more. I'd like to hear from Kris himself if he is so inclined...I'm just wondering how the heck could someone accomplish that level of detail and creativity in their spare time. It would take some major talent (that's evident) and some major computing resources that I'm sure not everyone has installed on their home PC. And the jet fighter shooting down the chaddrone: priceless!



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 09:36 PM
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The Drone item is a Fraud.

I found where the alleged 'Big Basin Drone photo was taken - and the info about where it was taken is a lie. This photo was taken apprx 2 miles west of Redwood Gulch Rd - on the east side of Hwy 9- in Saratoga,CA - on a Hair-pin curve with a 100-200ft cliff drop off - and a dangerous narrow shoulder to stand on. The original photo submitter's lied when sending this photo in - as the original photo caption stated " taking photos of flowers in Big Basin State Park" & reported to Linda Moulton Howe and C2C... 1st off, this photo would have had to been taken in mid-air by the photographer - and show me a flower field in Big Basin !!(which there aren't any)- Big Basin State Park would be about 25-30 miles farther west in another County- towards the Ocean.

Can anybody give me a quick tip on how to load the photos onto this thread..?

SEA Alien



posted on Oct, 4 2007 @ 10:40 PM
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Go to photobucket.com and create a free account. You can upload your pictures there. Once you are done, links will be created by photobucket which you can paste into your posts here. Can't wait to see your evidence!


Originally posted by SEA-Alien

Can anybody give me a quick tip on how to load the photos onto this thread..?

SEA Alien




posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 12:49 AM
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greetingz guys PJ where have you been..Klatuuu I C U )
kris had the back up of Kaptive studios as well as resources available thru his very close friend Tin venison at sonics inc a competitor though smaller of Partizan. This is not to detract from Kris but look at his other websites littlebigtree, and another..very very slick..nice..his whole family is into crafts scrapbooking, etc. Remember that Nick Pope letter I posted on the other thread..his prediction on the book deals etc. well recently we had a marinekrieg direct us to a crop circle site..and they are trying to make strong linkages to the circles..cause it would stimulate sales naturally.of crop stuff..well
someone said to come and look the the cropexplorer site and had pix of the wing claiming it was ceramic..and that they had info fro" higher ups" etc and that the are going to be revealing and explaining things..also that you woukd need zebra code..which is used in making designs like Isaacs.
There is a zebra code..and it does do incredible stuff .that just reinforces man made. I will come back and post the link because if you scroll to bottom hit the Rajon (HmmmmRajman?) name ..its a publisher and mass marketer of New age stuff
Thanx for asking the question Klatuu and our newxomer sealien and rwiggins thanx for helping!
sys

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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 03:25 AM
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Could it be because its fiction> or if true..namesand dates changed to protect the innocent?

Let me update you..Isaac is not one person it is many..it is an experiment in a new networking system coded Zebra..coded..whispers..it is a collaboration of many of the best people in each discipline..art technology science astronomy..philosopy they all put it together..thats why it looks like or resonates with everyone..If it was one guy..we could have popped him by now..they weaved in all the answers into the pix and the narrative.
it will take collaboration to solve it..not infighting here or just yelling fake..or real
we know its man made..yeah..but what if it wasnt what i just said it was..what if it was by an et influenced person ..a proxy..would it be any less valid? no one has considered that..
but I know this was by many people not one..and they want us to collaboratell it
cll it cia call it social call it whatever..
we are past arthur now..way past..but a part of him and a bunch others is in there this thread is for possible explanationss..lets collaborate..its the only way. If you have a theory its welcome..we are open source here.

lets find them

SyS
this will clear up what i am talking about
so you dont think i am talking out the side of my neck..
go thru the demo its neat..see how the want to fuse communities of talent across all the fields..this is why that thing was crafted so well from the ground up.. etchings and everything.
Hey PJ Guys the Sara Diamond chick is awsome! Remember my advice about the zebra and the herd..that was a coincidence..or was it something else...


www.codezebra.net...
www.codezebra.com...
www.codezebra.net...
zebra.sourceforge.net...



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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 03:33 AM
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Well, a very important part of this story might be being withheld from us. Someone who will remain nameless brought to my attention that one of the 3 amigos were paid a visit by the feds regarding this thread. So I want to know why, and I want to know if it's true. Because if it's true, this is way too important not to pay attention to, and means this issue is one of great national interest and importance. So why would a "hoax" be of such concern?

Let's see if this post gets deleted.

P.S. I wonder why Springer stopped posting in here so long ago.

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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 04:36 AM
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PJ You just crossed the line..
First Ilet me be public ..I said it telling you on a U2U specifically it was posted on OM way back! We were consideringing all possibilities.of the silence by LMH c2c..and I askedd you not to repeat that in an open forum...why do you have a hangup with Springer! He has nothing to do with the case.Hes not Isaac . He doesnt interefere..He tried way back also to get info..He has a job tto keep up with hundreds of posts as well as run a business..He doesnt have to answer diddly.Go to OM and do your own research..Like I do insted of taking potshots at people. If you get censored you deserve it for that. or u2u springer..instead of being a busy body! and smearing him by innuendo..Ba man and U2u him instead of grandstanding ..U2U is a click away! Go ahead..make my 24 hours!
Take your high powered BB gun. point it at yourself!.cause you are not going to smear me too with a trifling comment like that. You already have a rep ..discuss the case not our own people ..If they really did..I would think its his Biz...By the way Get Real..we do have real bad people that come thru here and Authorities do visit to ask for assistance..howz that! ask om what the hang up is .

So I will say this also..to Everyone...... if you have something private to discuss in U2U..do not do it with the PJsPLUG! Its not going to stay in Vegas..what word is there for that?
it wont take too much research for that . as you havent added anything towards a solution!
Sys


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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 04:19 PM
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...rumormongering is not classy or productive, Mr. slug! What is something SOLID you can contribute, may I ask? Or please point to where we can go to be productive. It seems that you have some valuable knowledge here so lets be plain about it for the public good. Are you saying that ATS is being censored?



posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 05:00 PM
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Please...


I am not going to waste the time it would take me to outline the 3 trips, 100's of hours of pure work and everything else I've been beyond busy with KEEPING THIS SITE ALIVE and THRIVING just to squelch the fantasies of someone who doesn't have a clue.

NO, the Feds did not "contact me" a FORMER Fed who is a PERSONAL FRIEND did because he is a PERSONAL FRIEND and was curious.

I want to say "grow up" so bad, but I know it would be rude so I won't.


Springer...



posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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This had nothing at all to do with smearing anyones reputation or rumor mongering. This thread has been going on now for 185 pages, and if there is more to the story, I want to know about it, plain and simple. That is what we are here to do, investigate a topic and get to the truth, no matter how many stones we have to turn.

Sys,
You just implicated yourself by coming out and saying what you did. I did not mention any names, whatsoever. For your information, I had been contacted by several others OFFLINE ATS, through Yahoo. One of them said exactly what you did, and the others were talking to me about other issues having nothing to do with this thread. So if you thought I was betraying your trust solely on what you told me, I was not. When one person says it, there is doubt. When two people say it, it becomes worthy of investigation at the very least.

If you and Klat want to sit around and just insult me (and Springer's reply was rude and in my opinion uncalled for, simply for trying to do what we are supposed to do here, deny ignorance, not just fantasize about ridiculous things you would find in a John Lear thread), you go right ahead and do so if it makes you feel better about yourselves. I am here to try to find the truth out about the CARET documents, plain and simple, not to kiss people's rear ends. I make one inquiry as to something that was said, and I get slammed for it. Yet it's okay for you, Sys, to implicate Arthur Reyes in your theories.... but it's not okay for me to speculate on an issue that might be extremely important to the covering up of an important issue. That's preposterous! If it's not true, it's not true, but there is no crime in investigating an issue by asking.

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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 06:37 PM
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PJ I think you've lost us with the "important issue" bit...


CGI hoaxes are not important issues mate.

Springer...



posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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Well, if it is a CGI hoax, which I conceded it could be, where is the evidence? Where are the original rendering files? Saladfingers said he only used the Isaac material to create his compilation. So unless Kaptive is pulling our leg, we have nothing conclusive to go on. The fact that someone just posted that the place he found that looked like the photos was in the vicinity of Big Basin adds more to the plausibility, in my opinion.

If someone can produce the original CGI files, that's great! Show them to us, and then we can end this thread once and for all instead of speculating.



posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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guys Mr Springer..my friends..take care of the senses and the sounds will take care of themselves..I hope
ps. Dr Von stern where are You? you understand this totally and where its going..your link did not work please repost it here

GOOD NEWS
pj REMEMBER THAT SPECIAL REQUEST i MADE ON GRAPHICS..YOU DID NOT COME BACK WITH ANYTHING..THEN YOU QUESTIONED THE ANAGRAMAS..i SAID OK..DO THIS FOR US..LOOK AT THE BARNOTES i SAW IN THE MANUAL..you did not even do anything..just gripe..
I am glad you did not..cause you would have messed up everuything..he saw what I saw

I made a plea.. no answers..I had to go to another site ..and one person..45letters listened and in less than 24 hours..from last night to now..he found the pattern..it had musical tones like close encounters did in their movie

here is the link everyone..we are close to the end..its all about cooperation..! collaboration..something you lack PJ

you missed a golden opportunity as an audio specialist you say you are to help us and ATS be there first!

now lets bury the hatchet ! move on ..the sounds match the symbols

www.4shared.com...

And thank you Springer klatuu and fellow members for all your support ..Springer..I know you are the best thing ATS has..and you been good to me and many others ..You just don't brag like some .you are the quiet hand that keeps us together..and help when we need it ..and all we have to do is click simple u2u


God Bless you

Sys

PS Springer the music sounds like navajo indian music..right up your ally !
these people are good!

when backwwards it sounds like japanese zen music

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posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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The only way your ever going to get a hold of the original scene files and models used for the drones are if the person /person's responsible WANT them to be found, and to finally take credit for it all.

Also if the guy who did this is anything like myself or other 3d guys I know he could have a hard job finding the original files even if he wanted to. Over the years of modelling you build up a lot of models, and unless you have one hell of a filing system it can be near imossible to find something a good while after the model was made. (Personally anything older than 2 months old and it'd take me days of searching through archive backups for the RIGHT version of the model.)

Only a fool makes one version of a model and doesn't have many versions saved as they progress, this is in case of corrupt files, crashes etc etc... (A model I was working on the last couple of night had 15 versions SO FAR...and thats only one model. Keeping multiple versions of files is an industry wise standard practice..even for hobbyists. )

If you looking for ultimate proof this is a hoax, then unless the person who made this comes forward you'll be left in limbo. While I can apprettiate that to an untrained eye these images were impressive, to anyone who's been around 3d a while they will have seen many better photorealistic images over the years.

Wayne...



posted on Oct, 5 2007 @ 11:01 PM
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House cleaning AGAIN... Deleting OFF TOPIC posts really does GET OLD.


PJ, maybe you need to take a BREAK for a couple days and get OVER the emotions or do the research and hang out, you pick.

People have been very patient with you ever since you appeared here at ATS telling us all You think Isaac/Caret/Drones ARE REAL and DEMANDING evidence to the contrary.

It's the DEMANDING attitude that gets old PJ.


Now, EVERYONE... BACK ON TOPIC


Springer...



posted on Oct, 7 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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as the original photo caption stated " taking photos of flowers in Big Basin State Park" & reported to Linda Moulton Howe and C2C... 1st off, this photo would have had to been taken in mid-air by the photographer - and show me a flower field in Big Basin !!(which there aren't any)

From living up that way for a very long time, flowers only bloom for about four months so he would have had to have been there between April and July in order to see flowers. Some of the trees had blossoms even but that's short lived of course. Typically the flowers in the open foothills are wild flowers (big variety-lots of colors) and lots of them as well. Also short lived.

And, per the following address, spring and summer bring the wildflowers: redwood sorrel, salal, redwood violets, trillium, star lily and mountain iris.
en.wikipedia.org...


Big Basin State Park would be about 25-30 miles farther west in another County- towards the Ocean.


I don't understand him here because the bicycle trails are right inside the park and at entry to the park. How could he have seen the spot where the picture was taken but yet not be in Big Basin to take it? There's obviously some confusion here unless he's talking about the state park that's inside of Big Basin.

Here is a Big Basin mountain bike trail map. It requires four addresses to see it since the area is so massive.
www.bigbasin.org...
www.bigbasin.org...
www.bigbasin.org...
www.bigbasin.org...




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posted on Oct, 8 2007 @ 03:41 PM
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I dont know if this has been posted, I hace been away from this thread for a while but has anyone looked at the original CARET website at foutune city recently?

Someone is making a profit out of it since the site is now showing google ads. Is ISAAC trying to cash in now or this has being going for a while now? Like some people say follow the money trail.




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