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[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

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posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:31 AM
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(continued from previous posts)

E-MAIL #6 FROM ME TO LEX


Hi Lex,

They only allowed her 30 minutes for open phones since the show was running over. Did you read my e-mails in full? In the first e-mail I noted that someone called claiming the CARET thing was a hoax (which is irrelevant for this matter at hand) abd then George quickly tried to get him off the air, not wanting to talk to him about it at all. Many of us were stunned as to how that phoe call was handled. Here we are waiting for this topic all week, and then it never got talked about (except for the initial little blurb that Linda hinted where we can find new Isaac info at her site). But nothing was talked in great detail about Isaac or CARET at all with the Professor of Electronic Computing and Engineering. Where did that guest go? Why didn't Linda inform the public listeners that the topic had changed? Why had it changed? Did she find it to be a hoax? Did she get stopped by the FCC for government silencing of the issue? I really need to know what's going on here, and so do the many ATS members who are just about to cancel their subscriptions to C2C and Earthfiles unless we find out what really happened. Please forward every e-mail I sent to George and now to you... please send them to Linda and have her contact me directly at the cell number I put in the previous e-mail. (you can find it a few lines down).

Thanks,
Phil


I ask ALL of my fellow ATS thread followers for a favor. By any miraculous chance did you take a screen shot of the C2C website that day, July 27, or several days prior to it? That particular week is when it listed the exact show's schedule for the evening of July 27 with Linda and a professor. Hell, we all know what we saw. We're not delusional. We waited by our computers or radios to listen to the show. Now all it shows under the PAST SHOWS section is "what was discussed on the air that night" which obviously doesn't help at all since they didn't discuss their original topic. I prepared for a week for it to make sure I would be home to listen to the show, and instead I listened to some crappy alternative replacement show. But if we can show a digital picture of his website from that week of July 27 to George letting him know that it was in fact there for anyone to see as I've told him it was, then he has nothing more to say about it and can only investigate it himself as well, since he claims he is "just as baffled."

[edit on 8/8/2007 by pjslug]




posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:44 AM
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You know, I think someone needs to start a wiki on this entire subject. Going through 140+ pages on a subject that is more than likely a hoax just isn't worth it.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:57 AM
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@PJSlug

The last cache from google of this page is from August 1, so that doesnt help. You can also look back on Archive.org, but the latest cache there is from May 19, 2007, so you'd need to wait another 2 months before it shows up there. Unless somebody made a screenshot.

[edit on 8/8/2007 by errorist]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:44 AM
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Hi Phil,

I read here now and than and now I registered just for you!


I don't have any screenshot, but I saw what you saw and I even copied and pasted it:

"Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe will share a fascinating interview with a university professor in Computer Science and Engineering, who is so impressed with the Isaac letters and CARET document that he agreed to talk about them on the record."

But don't put to much into this. This interview was not meant to be live and maybe it will be on air some other time. You rather should ask LMH, why she prefered another subject.

Greeting!

Sid



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 05:00 AM
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i wonder if this professor is the same guy that showed up here for a while (techguy or sth) never to be seen again. I believe it was a day prior to LMH announcing the interview. Many believed he was/is the hoaxer.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by yuefo

But you're conveniently ignoring what I've said repeatedly--by saying, in writing, that the materials aren't his but rather pilfered, he has reliquinshed rights to the property. I said it before and I'll say it again, you can take a document like that, his own document, into any court and walk out victorious. You can't lie about ownership, in writing, and turn around and sue someone.



Actually, that's pretty much how Scientology was taken over years back and the court's agreed with the people who stole it. Admittedly, they were using 'inside' info that someone had taken (an attourney/IRS agent).



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 01:00 PM
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I had a C2C page cached on my computer, in the link you can see the year/month/date and the subject shows:

www.coasttocoastam.com...

i dont know enough about playing around with the website words, maybe someone can come up with a replacement for the /shows/ line that may link back to the information in need.

I hope this works.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 02:43 PM
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Further E-mail Updates from Lex and LMH

First, I'd like to welcome Siddharta to ATS. Thanks for signing up!


I have some further e-mail updates to share, as they are a continuation of my posts from last night. This may shed some further light on the debate.

E-mail from Lex


I forwarded your note to Linda. I suspect that the CARET material was bumped for her
breaking news on the East Field crop formation.

Lex


E-mail from LMH: "From Linda Tues eve, July 24"


This is a Forward of my July 24, 2007, email to Lex, COAST Webmaster, before my July 27, COAST news updates. In fact, I sent several emails, but Lex was on vacation and my emails were not reaching the web person in charge that week.

Your hostility is puzzling because on Friday, July 27, to specifically complement my COAST appearance, I reported other material from Isaac not reported before - "Clarifications and Comments by Isaac."
www.earthfiles.com...

That Earthfiles report includes higher resolution images of the Big Basin "drone" and a close-up on one of the center boxes that closely resembles some of the CARET document diagrams provided by Isaac back in late June. In the first few minutes of the July 27 COAST broadcast, I referenced the COAST audience to the new Isaac comments and the photos to read and see.

When I first contacted George about an academic who was enthusiastic about the Isaac and CARET material, the interview was interesting from an outside computer specialist's speculation, but not breaking news. Along with a CARET update, I also told George I would give an update on crop formation news. Over the next two weeks, the unfolding crop formation events in the East Field of Wiltshire, England, and the 100-eyewitness sighting of lights moving into and holding a pattern over The One Elm pub in Stratford-upon-Avon became important breaking news and the focus of my July 27 COAST news updates.


My response to LMH's e-mail


Hi Linda,

Thank you for your response. It was apparently C2C's fault then for not changing their website information. It was somewhat of a letdown since many of us were looking forward to hearing a whole show about the CARET documents. I will present this information to the ATS community.

It would be very much appreciated if you could arrange some correspondence with Isaac and perhaps myself or one of the owners of ATS. We are a little confused as
to the "Isaac clarifications" that you reported. There seem to be some discrepancies with the dates of the e-mails. We are puzzled with the fact that you received the clarifications from him only a day after the initial disclosure of his info, yet you held his response for a month before reporting it to us.

If you could, I would appreciate clarification of this issue. I have been part of the minority of ATS that believes much of what Isaac has claimed, and would like to be able to further provide proof of his claims to the community.

Thank you very much for your time,
Phil


As always, I'll keep you all posted with any new revelations. Hopefully, some correspondence between ATS (or myself) and Isaac can take place.

[edit on 8/8/2007 by pjslug]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:50 PM
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Reply to my last e-mail from LMH: "From Linda Moulton Howe, Aug. 8, 2007"


My Earthfiles report clearly states:
www.earthfiles.com...

I emailed these issues to Isaac and on June 27, 2007, I received his replies in two separate emails indicated by receipt times, which Isaac gave me permission to share in an Earthfiles follow-up. My delay in reporting these emails is that I had an indication from Isaac that I might be able to interview him by phone. So, I waited, hoping the interview would occur. But to date, that has not happened.


My response to that e-mail


So will you be able to put me in touch with him? If not, can you please direct him to our ATS thread? We all have many questions we would like answered, please.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thank you.
Phil


Keeping ATS on its toes,

PJ



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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kudos to you for being persistent...closed mouths do not get fed.


although the odds of her giving ATS access to her source are slim.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:57 PM
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Funny thing how Isaac ''stole" X amount of docs, wanted to give it all to us, then apparently didn't give everything he had to give?

She not giving ATS access to her source? Her source being Isaac? Isaac being THE WHOLE THING this is revolving around?

Basically Isaac is the only thing that keeps this from falling apart (for some).
Others still believe that the drone itself is true, using Saladfingers (or w/e his name was lol) cgi as ''proof''.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 05:11 PM
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LMH Wrote

I might be missing something, but I am unclear as to how one relates to the other. Why would the potential of a phone interview with Isaac delay releasing the email responses by a month? Is there some reason she couldn't simply release the emails and continue to pursue the possibility of a phone interview? I am not being sarcastic, it's an honest question. I don't get it.

Also...would LMH be willing to share if she has had any other communication with Isaac what-so-ever since these emails in June? Has he just refused the interview or ceased communication entirely with C2C?

If he was willing to respond to the softball questions concerning the material, then why not provide LMH with a few well chosen and tactful hardball questions for Isaac to respond to.

And if I understand her correctly, she chose to bump the interview with the academic concerning the CARET material for the sake of another sighting. Would she be willing to re-schedule fro an upcomming episode? Is the professor still available?



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 07:09 PM
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Thats just it (as I stated many, many pages ago. and it was then refuted by others, and then after more pages it was revived) Isaac responded to questions that weren't even asked yet.
that is if the LMH time/dates are correct, and if LMH provided her internet audience with the full list of questions/answers and correspondence that took place between her and Isaac.
Which I highly doubt she did. I believe that in response to pjslug's correspondance with her, she made a comment something like ".....what Isaac authorized me to release..." or something along those lines.
This leads me to believe that Isaac revealed more to LMH than what LMH is in fact sharing with all of us.
being as that she said he allowed/authorized (or whatever) her to say such and such, that means that he must have also said such and such that he did not authorize her to release etc...

So if this is in fact true then what is the motive for LMH to lie to her paying audience? and, if she is willing to lie for an at the moment unknown reason, who else is (going/willing) to lie as well?

Also, let us not forget that Isaac had obtained a lawyer as per the ATS community revealed during scrutiny of his website.

So lets compile a list of what exactly we do possibly know about Isaac:

1: If the saint louis tapes are true, that makes isaac a male. who is interested in codes and hacking.

2: The lawyer he obtains is on the west coast, oregon or washington if i remember correctly.

3: Isaac has also been in california, specifically the palo alto region. he is also familiar with the south bay/saratoga area (as taken from his website).

4: Isaac is at the least within the age of retirement. (as referred to in the LMH info (via Isaac email) regarding this subject stating something like "...most of us are retired by now..."

5: While we dont know the job title Isaac held we do know what he wasn't as from the emails on LMH's page. Isaac was not a technical writer nor an artist nor was he involved in graphics or design. (all of the fore-listed positions in '5' can be extracted by his writing in the emails) In fact on Isaac's website he says thats "...his concentration of work pertained to the language..." (or something along those lines) he states on his page he went to post grad school for electrical engineering.

6: By Isaac's grammar and spelling errors alone i believe he is very math oriented. and his focus was not in the arts or literature, but more so the sciences and mathematics. however that does not rule out his possibility of having been in a 'rush' during his posts. but it does rule out his use of a spell check.

7. Isaac went to college, graduate and post graduate school during the late 70's that is if he finished grad and post grad school (which i presume he did) before he started woking at the DoD.
however it is also possible that he was recruited for the DoD while in post grad school.

So what i wanted to show was that even after all of these pages on this thread, Isaac's website, Isaac's two emails and a cornucopia of research we still know little to nothing about him. This leads me to believe we more than likely wont know anything more than what was already given for a long time, if ever.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 07:33 PM
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This may come as a shock, to those
that have come to know me on ATS.

I'm seriously leaning toward this being
disinfo in it's best sense.

I think (think, mind you) that there is a
kernel of truth here. Maybe two.

This is quite possibly one of the greatest
spoon-feedings by the PTB that we've
ever had.

I'll keep looking.

Regards,
Lex



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 07:44 PM
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pj, your threats are not hollow, my friend. As soon as I leave this site I will be contacting C2C and advising them of my displeasure.

I will also advise them that my own website will put up a prominent notice within 48 hours that they (C2C) are not forthcoming, highlighting LMH as being most unwilling to communicate. Please advise them, and use my name, that the ripples of unrest are well founded.

IF one of the main players will come to ATS for some questions and answers, then I will naturally reconsider. BUT, please stress to them that I, and others, will not be put off on this matter. I don't care how it inconveniences them, or how bad their schedule is, they dug this hole themselves, so now it's time to start digging back out.

Feel free to quote me.

[edit on 8-8-2007 by NGC2736]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by agent violet
Thats just it (as I stated many, many pages ago. and it was then refuted by others, and then after more pages it was revived) Isaac responded to questions that weren't even asked yet.


Can you point to any answer given by Isaac that was to a question that hadn't been asked ?

PJ - great work.
Lex - intriguing - look forward to more info



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 09:25 PM
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chunder, so i decided to take you up on the challenge so to speak and this my friend is what i came up with (this is just one):

These were the critics comments asked to Isaac from the LMH page;



"This is a big hoax. For one thing, the US Government would NEVER allow this information to left in the hands of some worker. Another thing, the manual does not look anything like a legal NASA or a government document either. The pictures of the 'artifact' are photoshopped and I can tell you that the aliens DO not label every single part as pictured. The anti-grav unit pictured is fake. The photos of the drone on the floor are model parts. The configuration of all the drones sent in to you and others is something the aliens would never design as all these designs pictured show gross misuse of space. All their ships are based on the use of space. Not one inch to them is wasted and if you look at the history of 'probes' from EBE's they are SMALL and fast. I think you have been had. I am surprised that you and George Noory etc. are easily tricked by this. I would definitely check with your reliable contacts deep in the 'Know' and find out for yourself."




"Looking at the so-called 'documentation' that goes with this stuff, the text-formatting is obviously done with relatively recent vintage page-layout software. You can tell by the perfect nature of the block justification.




"That type of extremely precise (even in word-spacing), indeed perfect, text-formatting DID NOT EXIST IN 1985, particularly in a laboratory or even corporate environment. After looking at all of the fancy 'documents,' including the Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Illustrator-designed 'alien diagrams,' I state now and for the RECORD that this whole thing is a HOAX, and will be proven to be such."


Ok and now this is what Isaac said in his email reply on LMH's page
in the first email, section labeled "1)"



I realize now that I did not make this clear, but I should clarify that I am not responsible for the blacking out of the Q4-86 report.



so chunder in response to your question("can you point to any answer given by Isaac that was to a question that hadn't been asked ?")

you can now see Isaac answers a question to a question that was not asked(!)
at least IMO



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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Good bird-dogging and I'm glad we are holding Noory's and LMH's feet to the fire. I am always suspicious to the motivation of anyone who makes a buck off of website subscriptions and ad/site clicking stats.

That said, I still am researching the psychology involved in order to discern probabilities vis a vis hoax or whistleblower.

One thing I can add: there was every way possible that the CARET/PRIMER/MANUAL was created back in 1986. I was involved in writing medical training manuals with illustrations for publication. Back in the early 1980's there were professional (meaning expensive) semi-computerized word processing and typesetting devices that could develop and print the type of manual we see in CARET and the PRIMER. And the word spacing is fixed, not justified, and that was normal at that time frame. Early word processor programs, such a WordPerfect and WordStar, could have easily accomplished this layout.

What I don't think is realistic is that a MANUAL that is supposed to be ‘Above top Secret' would be PRINTED/PUBLISHED for civilian industry-based technology development with the all too conspicuous title: "Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology." Isn't that title a mite too obvious? If I were a hoaxer that would sound GREAT . . . however, I do not think that the military would allow a printed and published manual like this to be released to any civilian agency no matter what.



posted on Aug, 9 2007 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by NGC2736
pj, your threats are not hollow, my friend. As soon as I leave this site I will be contacting C2C and advising them of my displeasure.

I will also advise them that my own website will put up a prominent notice within 48 hours that they (C2C) are not forthcoming, highlighting LMH as being most unwilling to communicate. Please advise them, and use my name, that the ripples of unrest are well founded.

IF one of the main players will come to ATS for some questions and answers, then I will naturally reconsider. BUT, please stress to them that I, and others, will not be put off on this matter. I don't care how it inconveniences them, or how bad their schedule is, they dug this hole themselves, so now it's time to start digging back out.

Feel free to quote me.

[edit on 8-8-2007 by NGC2736]


Will do, buddy. Once everyone here has had a chance to vent and voice there opinions regarding C2C and LMH (hopefully within the next day or two) I will gladly share with both George and Linda any comments any of you give me permission to. I don't want to be annoying by sending them individual complaints one at a time so I will wait and compile all of the comments and frustrations in one "petition"-type e-mail.

Thank you all for your support. I'm glad no one here is bothered by what I am doing. I feel it is all of our rights to find out the truth no matter how hard we have to dig or how stern we have to act.



posted on Aug, 9 2007 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by agent violet
you can now see Isaac answers a question to a question that was not asked(!)
at least IMO


That's not necessarily true, violet. As it is my understanding (or at least my take on the matter), the e-mails we saw on the Earthfiles "Isaac Clarification" page were only a portion of the comments sent to LMH. But what is confusing is, if this is true, how did LMH get so many responses to the Isaac story within a day of it's release, especially when the release happened on C2C!!!! And one thing we need to find out is the date that Isaac put up the Fortunecity website. In order for the story to hold water, the Fortunecity site would have to have been put up before Isaac contacted C2C. If it was in fact put up after the story broke on C2C, then we know that C2C was participating in the disinfo since they would have had to modify their webpage to put Isaac's Fortunecity URL on it.



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