BTW, Saladfingers over at the thread-that-shall-not-be-named has done some EXCELLENT work proving that the language diagram was done with Adobe Illustrator in all probability.

I won't link directly to it but maybe someone can port what he said over here?

BTW - I'm still not exactly sure what the deal is with referring to the "other" forum, so if I've overstepped the policy please let me know and I'll make sure not to do it again.

I mention it though because I really do think this is an even better argument than all the CGI/shadow stuff. This REALLY DOES link the diagram almost certainly with a very specific, modern piece of software, and while Illustrator did exist about a year after the diagram was likely to be made, there's no way that a pre-release beta or even 1.0 would have had all the features that Salad has clearly identified as in use in the creation of the diagram.

Exquisitexample and i talk frequently, forgive me if iam incorrect but i remember between us having a discussion about this "language" we keep speaking of and for some reason and i think the actual point may be in isaacs explanation, that the primer is not a "language" as much as perhaps an equation of some sorts similar to algebraic equations if you will, where there are values to the symbols but not necessarily letters or words. It seems to make more sense naturally, to me that this would be more likely as the complexity of the device (a.g.) if i understand it correctly works torward having the primer or any variation of thee or a primer in a field of influence which then activates the device in such a way as to allow it to carry out a specific function indicated within the primer itself. so it would come as no surprise to me that a "language" could not in any way be derived from the primer, and rather, that if for instance the symbols are in a alien text the numbers and relation of numbers within the primer could be infinitely difficult to even begin to decode/translate.just thinking really but how much sense does that make to you all?

Something just occurred to me....an inordinate number of you seem to be experts in graphic analysis and photo-manipulation (which I'm not) and I wonder if anyone feels capable of taking on a small project?

In the PACL report pages, you'll see numerous blacked out passages. I've always found that with a bit of concentration, that "live, in the flesh" versions of this were usually readable (albeit, with difficulty). It seems to me that someone with the chops for it and the proper software, could break down those blacked out areas (with filters of some kind?) enough to bring up the contrast and make the unreadable....readable. You think?

Having that hidden info would be very helpful (for all we know it says "you're all a bunch of fools for believing this") and would contribute significantly to the base knowledge about these documents. Anyone feel that they're capable of doing something, anything with this?

AA, those last questions have been in my mind since you mentioned them earlier, but I'm not any closer to a good guess than I was then. It's not that I ignored the questions, simply that I seldom talk just to hear my teeth rattle.

I have come to the conclusion that IF, still a big IF, the Isaac documents are real in some sense, then these diagrams must come one of two ways. 1) They are drawn from components of the actual craft, or photos of those components. 2) They are the result of some form of manual that came with the craft when it arrived in human hands.

I have discounted the idea that it was a "gift" from subsequent ET contact. That would mean that at least basic commerce was attained. And that would mean the ETs wanted us to gain the technology for some reason. So, if it was their desire for us to have this technology, then there would have been no reason to "back engineer" parts and pieces, as they would have wanted to supply enough to get the whole idea across.

I also doubt the logic of the "manual" idea on the basis that there would have logically been photos of the manual itself, unless ET uses plain paper just as we do.

That leaves the idea that one group transferred these drawings from parts of the craft, likely at another location, to a humanly usable form. There could have been a step whereby the drawings were photographed and then transferred to a line drawing. Everything except the end product could have been beyond the "need to know" of the CARET group.

As I said earlier, and which like you, no one has commented on, there could be a template step used in the lettering, where the lettering was not the actual"magic" bullet that gave life to the items, but rather very precise diagramming so that some other force could rearrange the metals to the proper configuration. This step too could have been taken without the knowledge of the CARET group.

Please understand that I am only speculating here, and it is scarcely more than passing whimsy, as I am becoming more and more totally convinced that this is all hoax, through and through. At one point I thought that there might be some underlying truth, masked by a lot of BS, but I am finding that idea less and less tenable.

Sorry, but I have to get this off my chest
I want to talk a little about faith
Do I think that just because I don’t understand something that it’s B.S: Answer NO!
Am I capable of making a leap of faith when it comes to something I don’t understand: Answer Absolutely Yes!
But I feel in my heart that this is a hoax all the way around, Hoax to the left, hoax to the right, hoax all under, in the middle with a hoax on top
You want me to make leap in faith, then give me something to work with, not a piece of paper with circles, documents with absolutely no substance , a snide essay by someone who thinks just because he can spit out engineering terms that I dare not and can not dispute him, 22 witnesses , where are they ,where’s the collaboration
You want me to make a leap of faith?
Then show me the magic, because I sure don’t see any here

Originally posted by darkheartrising
NEWKID....i thought you had taken the blue pill........

yes I took the blue pill, ..... now I'm trying to be a screenplay writre scratch that - writer, you see a be famous.......

I wonder when the goverment going to release an antigravity personal ship, I predict in the year 2012 alot people predicting something wierd about this year too.

ever wonder who came out with this HOAX. I know I search previous post, but come on, one is a hollywood production, and NASA employee, or maybe the work of 20-30 peolple, maybe there is a movie in the draft right now. A good example is the Blair Witch Project, maybe this is the Drone Project, who knows??

Yes you can definitely see what is under the blackened out section, i encourage you to do it, as i just did

simply copy the image into paint, then press invert colors, and tada!!!!!!!

I am beginning to think that the images found on the primer were taken from the remote control module/activation module not shown to us by Isaac. The diagrams don't appear on the I-beams or the generator so where else could they have come from? My guess is the control module.

It seems like what we are seeing in the drones is a merger between an anti-grav generator and the control module portion, which is why we see parts of the primer on the Big Basin drone as well as other drones. This leads me to believe that the drones are entirely human-made, reverse engineered craft. It is perhaps the best attempt humans have been able to muster out of this alien technology.

On another note, I think portions of the primer are related to star charts and solar cycles. We see crop circles (genuine ones) with very similar patterns. Perhaps this technology guides the space craft through light years of travel by implementing the diagrams on the substrate in such a way that it A) navigates by way of references to stars based on their mass, atomic structure, and location in 3-dimensional through 11th dimensional space, and B) harnesses the energy and gravity of stars to power the craft.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

Originally posted by moonking

Originally posted by Arlington Acid
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Go back to the primer and load up the diagrams. Now, start increasing the magnification. You notice how the "font" keeps going down, down, down in size? It ultimately defeats the resolution of the copier, which was probably a non-commercial, limited edition model for groups of the CARET type.

I’m not being sarcastic here, believe me, but I really want you to think about what you just said, It does ultimately defeat the resolution of the copier at the time.
A logical interpretation of that is because it was made just recently , but to say it was made on a copier and shouldn’t have been that clear and conclude it must be from another world is a leap of faith

Eh? You've kinda lost me here. What I'm saying is that if you magnify the illustration, you see the "font" continue to decrease in size until it's out of range of the copier. One has to assume that we're looking at at a copier print, given the *fuzz out* of the resolution. I don't consider the the vintage of the copier to be particularly relevant but, for what it's worth, I had exposure to very high end copiers from that era and they were pretty good. You've lost me at just where you leap of faith is bracketed but I find the minute aspect of the smallest characters there to be pretty awesome, and I question why someone would put *that* much work into a facet of it that very few would even think to look at and deliberately destroy it with copier fuzz.

We're all making leaps of faith here or we'd be doing something else with our time. We all want to find out what the REAL story is with this, right? Wouldn't it be pretty stupid if we had evidence of an alien culture staring us in the face, and we simply blew it off because "it couldn't be real"? And for what it's worth, I've never said that this stuff is "from another world". My own theory is even more whacked than that.

Originally posted by agent violet
Yes you can definitely see what is under the blackened out section, i encourage you to do it, as i just did

simply copy the image into paint, then press invert colors, and tada!!!!!!!

OK........I've lost my ability to sense sarcasm. Are you serious or just pulling my leg. If the former, WHAT DID THE BLACKOUT COVER?

Sorry ats'ers i recant my previous statement because it seems that, mysteriously that method does not work on all of the documents..specifically the one dealing with S1

Originally posted by moonking

You want me to make a leap of faith?
Then show me the magic, because I sure don’t see any here

Look, MK, if this stuff isn't interesting to you and you think it's bogus, what are you doing here? No one's twisting your arm and compelling you to do *anything*. If you can't see the magic that seems obvious to me........then go enjoy a nice Summer's evening some way.

Seriously bro, if this isn't turning you on, find something that does.

first, i think that it would be necessary to have someone well familiar in computer editing,imagery,and analyses to inspect the blackend out portions, the invert colors solution seems far to easy to be the solution. second i think the self actualization code for the drone itself would likely be as the photo above describes and i feel personally that self actualization codes would not be uncommonly placed on the individual pieces of the drone, for instance on the generator and components thereof. but i have very limited experience in cgi or engineering so i am not an expert at all.

Originally posted by Arlington Acid
Look, MK, if this stuff isn't interesting to you and you think it's bogus, what are you doing here? No one's twisting your arm and compelling you to do *anything*. If you can't see the magic that seems obvious to me........then go enjoy a nice Summer's evening some way.

Seriously bro, if this isn't turning you on, find something that does.

AA i dunno i mean skepticism is a very healthy part of the process to truth. dont get me wrong morons are never helpful but i want to express clarity that imply no one so far as being morons.

but i will say without a doubt that the thought of this being real gives me {admin edit: removed childish and rude term this is ATS, we don't do that here.} a self actualization code to blast off...

[edit on 7-26-2007 by Springer]

i guess the next step is to get someone whos good with photoshop to try and figure out if those markings are on the surface or actually debossed into the surface. they look 3d and manufactured into the material.

bokinsmowl where did you get the hi res photo, the pic i have are from earthfile and I can't see it, only in normal view, I see what you are saying, good work.

OK, I'm guessing that some of you have gotten out the Primer by now and realize that *none* of the diagrams corespond to the markings on the drone that bokinsmowl just showed up with. You starting to feel a little magic, moonking?

Think about this for a second: either someone is going to an ungodly amount of trouble with this or we're looking at something we probably never expected to be able to look at, evidence of some kind of alien contact.

If you study that drone blow-up, you'll notice some odd quality to the material, with much lighter areas inside of circles are rings around circles.....what IS that? Isn't this starting to get into a degree of detail that is well outside the capacity of your garden variety hoaxer? Frankly, it's starting to look like something outside of the capacity of a government funded hoaxer! Can any of you graphics whizzes dig out the design on that part? Raise the contrast enough so that we can see the fine connecting lines in that part of the photo?