[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Fred - I see the array on the roof; are you sure it's not the same size, simply scaled down from your perspective? Also the units are presently pointing away from the sun (see evening (19:15) shadow of light pole). Perhaps they have simply rotated and reset themselves for the morning?

From the looks of the loading dock, we see at least 3 stories showing. If this is the building they've been since well before "Isaac's" time, then an elevator would be no problem in this building. Truth is, the building looks voluminous enough to carry on all sorts of research in elaborate labs of all kinds without having to "go down 5 levels". But that's what Isaac says is the case...

Finally, this place looks like it houses a LOT of staff. It would be nice to latch on to a few of them and see what might be gained from a friendly conversation or two - dropping a "CARET" bug in an ear or two may yield some fruit juice (or a bit more attention than you're willing to handle at the moment.

Anyway - thanks again - great shots...

One other bit:

The whole area is knowna 'The Stanford Industrial Park" and even has its own Wiki entry:

Stanford Industrial Park
After World War II, universities were experiencing enormous demand due to returning students. To address the financial demands of Stanford's growth requirements, and to provide local employment opportunities for graduating students [5], Frederick Terman proposed the leasing of Stanford's lands for use as an office park [6], named the Stanford Industrial Park (later Stanford Research Park). Leases were limited to high technology companies. Its first tenant was Varian Associates, founded by Stanford alumni in the 1930s to build military radar components. However, Terman also found venture capital for civilian technology start-ups [7]. One of the major success stories was Hewlett-Packard. Founded in Packard's garage by Stanford graduates William Hewlett and David Packard, Hewlett-Packard moved its offices into the Stanford Research Park slightly after 1953 [8].
en.wikipedia.org...

The City can be found here:

en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 7/13/07 by FredT]

Now I get odd coincidences from time to time, but this is good, not that it means anything. But the person mentioned in your quote above, one Frederick Terman tickled a spot in my mind as having seen that name before.

Turns out there is mention of him on google, naturally. And it seems that his Ph.D. advisor, and likely his mentor, was Vannavar Bush.

www.ylem.org...

[Edit to add: Had to put in the source. ]

I need sleep, my brain can't process what, if anything, this means.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by NGC2736]

I would like to add that I have worked at Hewlett-Packard for a short time and I know for a fact that they have huge government and military contracts. I once over heard a conversation that they use equipment or technology in missile silos and stuff like that. Hewlett-Packard is all around that area in Palo-Alto & Mountain View.

THE Vannevar Bush??? Of MJ-12/Truman fame??

NGC - this is VERY interesting. Nice find - BUT your link is broken... AAARGH!

Originally posted by 0mikron
Hello Everyone, I won't be posting anymore on this website (not that I ever posted before anyways) as it seems like nothing but flame wars go on here and no real, reasoned and objective research or study or debate.

Just name calling and flames = useless. I'm only posting this to make good on my promise. Those of you who believed it was a real object are now vindicated. I don't care if anyone believes me or not. I know the truth of its reality.

Are you sure your at the correct site? There's less of that nonsense at ATS than any forum I've ever seen! You must be joking. Name calling is barred, same with flame wars, the moderators do not allow it, period. You seem to be bent on creating the atmosphere for this type of forum strife by your very comments.

Fred

Very Interesting Pics
I have seen similar Solar Panels in the 70s or 80s. They work totally different from todays panels. a small parabolic mirror focuses the sunlight on a small thermoelectric element (Thermocouple (sp?)).
with todays advances in silicon technology this design is outdated. i think that is what those are. not 100% sure though, i'm more expert on wind energy (we have one on our estate).

Impressive research! Thanks for showing it all.


Whitley Strieber also made a statement on the subject:
(excuse me, if this already was pointed out by someone)

(...)
My realization that the circles might be used for patterning within our minds and brains arose out of reading the Isaac 'Caret' material, and thinking about some of the imagery on the strange 'drones' that have recently been seen in northern California skies.

But what if the Isaac material is fake and the drones a hoax? To me, that doesn't invalidate my realization about using the circles for mind patterning. But, in any case, the debunking of both the Isaac material and the drones has been a non-starter so far.

I am not too surprised that NONE of the drones debunking addresses the issue of the witnesses. How can it? The testimony of so many people is, in the end, irrefutable. But, to the debunkers, it is as if the eyewitness simply don't exist. Instead, we're being told that it's all some sort of subtle 'viral marketing' scheme for the Transformers movie or the Halo game.

And more in his journal:

www.unknowncountry.com...

why should those things only appear in the usa. much more interesting than the cgi angle imo.)

I would say probably because they are reverse engineered and made by private companies or military research facilities within the U.S.

Why even ask him anything? He is horribly rude and people are leaving this thread because of him. It's very unfair to those of us who have an interest in this thread. He thinks he knows everything when in fact he is showing that he knows little about real world lighting situations. And he says he has 1000 reasons why it's fake, yet he asks for the original RAW picture from the camera. Why would he even want to see the RAW photo if he KNOWS it's all fake? He seems to have another agenda by forcefully shoving his views down people's throats post after post after post. All this knowledge he claims to have means absolutely nothing when he lacks the wisdom to act like a gentleman. Nobody wants to listen to rudeness and arrogance regardless of whatever supposed evidence he brings to the discussion.
I have reported his posts to the staff many times as I know many others have as well, and I hope they will do something about it as I'm sure they don't appreciate those types of posts either. When it gets so bad that people are leaving the thread because of a person, that person should get a posting ban, in my opinion.

[edit on 7/13/2007 by pjslug]

Isaac stated -

"PACL was hidden in an office complex owned entirely by the military but made to look like an unassuming tech company. From the street, all you could see was what appeared to be a normal parking lot with a gate and a guard booth, and a 1-story building inside with a fictitious name and logo".

One part I couldn't understand was the military owning an entire office complex but substitute University and you have the Stanford Industrial Park.

Where a quarry was mentioned in previous posts to me it looks more like a carpark.

If we can find an aerial of the Industrial Park from approx 1984 there might be a chance of identifying a building, assuming Isaac is real and wasn't deliberately misleading.

Edited to add - pj, in a forum that champions the right for anyone to express an opinion it's difficult to ban someone but I do agree it should be done in this case based on the insults and that nothing new was being mentioned, just referalls to previous arguments that people had already considered and formed a view on. Seemed to be a case of he who shouts loudest and most often carries the argument.
Also I guess this is a bit like talking about someone behind their back because they don't have the right to reply but I do agree, if it detracts from a thread to that extent then ban from the thread.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by chunder]

Well that (the above snide reply) did it...

11 11 is post banned for at least three days, I can only hope if he desires to return to these fora that he achieves the civility level of an adult.

I did my level BEST to explain to him how to interact in the "ATS WAY" that demands courtesy and warned him twice because his data was great.

It was his delivery that was sorely lacking and beneath the minimum level required to paricipate here at AboveTopSecret.com, and that is that.

Carry on.

Springer...

You did do your best to explain it to him, AS WE ALL DID. Thank you for taking action. It needed to be done, as I don't wish to see ANYONE in here want to leave the thread because of another person.

Originally posted by ejsaunders

Originally posted by 11 11
This is dirt on the lens.

Uhh, how can you have dirt on a CGI lense?

Well, if it was CGI perhaps only the drone was CGI and the drone was placed into the cloud picture. Since the pixel dirt was the same in both of the photographs, it has to be a lens thing.... which is all the more reason to give validity to the pictures being real unless you think just a small shot of sky was taken with a drone placed on top of it.

[edit on 7/13/2007 by pjslug]

Originally posted by NGC2736
You know, I just had a weird thought float past, so I'm laying out a little scenario here to see if maybe we've taken the wrong focus on this.

***The Following "Story" Is NOT True, being made up to highlight things.***

I work for agency XYZ of the US government, and we have a problem that has been beyond our best minds to solve for some time. We have these items that were "found", for which we cannot find a use, or even a clue who made them.

Yeah, I suggested this too many pages ago. It would be a great way for them to have people do work for them without hiring them and putting them on payroll. Any results we came up with would be shared with the community and they would see them.

And if this is the form of disclosure that they chose to take, perhaps they are waiting for us to figure out a part of the primer, and if we do perhaps we will get to see more of the pages?? So maybe we should be working hard to solve part of the primer. I know other forums are working on it, too. Let's put our heads together and seriously try to decode this.

If it is some alien writing, my guess is that we should start with Japanese as it is the closest candidate for a comparitive language. Does anyone know how Japanese works, and could someone provide us with an English translation to the Japanese alphabet, perhaps give some words in Japanese with their English translations? Thanks!

I know it was once mentioned before, but noone has really talked about it since. Has anyone noticed the striking similarity between the central structure of the drones and the arms, and compared it to the statue of liberty? Perhaps Frederic Auguste Bartholdi knew something that we don't.

But then I typed in Bartholdi to a web search. I came up with this other Bartholdi guy, I don't know if there's any relation, but he works at Georgia Tech which I think is interesting and look at this guy's resume:

John Bartholdi, director of SCL's research program, is a professor in ISyE and holds the Manhattan Associates Chair in Supply Chain Management. Dr. Bartholdi graduated in 1968 with a B.S. degree in mathematics from the University of Florida and then served two tours of duty in southeast Asia as a paratrooper in a Naval Special Warfare unit. He returned to the University of Florida to complete the Ph.D. program in operations research in 1977 and later served on the faculties at the University of Michigan, the Shanghai Institute of Mechanical Engineering, and the National University of Singapore. Dr. Bartholdi was named a “Presidential Young Investigator” by the National Science Foundation for 1984-1989. His research work has been supported by the Defense Logistics Agency, the Office of Naval Research, and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, among others. He is a principal in the consulting firm, Integrated Warehouse Design, Inc.

Dr. Bartholdi teaches supply chain issues, primarily warehousing, at both the undergraduate and graduate levels and in SCL's professional education program. His research centers on problems in warehousing and distribution, but he reserves some time to pursue wider-ranging interests, including mechanics, politics, computer science, geography, and biology.

This guy's page

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but it would be neat if a coincidence just on a last name led to something interesting. Perhaps we should ask this guy if he knows anything about CARET.

[edit on 7/13/2007 by pjslug]

Originally posted by Outrageo
Fred - I see the array on the roof; are you sure it's not the same size, simply scaled down from your perspective? Also the units are presently pointing away from the sun (see evening (19:15) shadow of light pole). Perhaps they have simply rotated and reset themselves for the morning?

Perhaps the array is a radio array? Perhaps it can listen in on objects far away or perhaps even could relay the controls from the lab to the drones in flight?

Originally posted by 0mikron
Hello Everyone,

In a previous post I said that I would have remote viewers gather data concerning these objects. Each remote viewer involved, excepting me, did not know what they were RVing.

The conclusions after analysis of the data collection is that it is a real object in the sky. The parts displayed on the isaac website are also real objects. That is all we know at this point. We do not know what they are for or who made them.

I don't care what the naysayers think. Most of them, from what I have read, are just closed minded people who want to argue to make themselves feel superior to others or bolster their own egos.

I won't be posting anymore on this website (not that I ever posted before anyways) as it seems like nothing but flame wars go on here and no real, reasoned and objective research or study or debate. Just name calling and flames = useless. I'm only posting this to make good on my promise. Those of you who believed it was a real object are now vindicated. I don't care if anyone believes me or not. I know the truth of its reality.

Enough said. End of discussion. Futher bantering concerning the reality of these objects is pointless. The questions that should be addressed now are what is its purpose and who made it.

Learn to RV and you will find Truth too.

0mikron

Please don't leave this forum. The problem user has been addressed. I am very excited to hear your results and I would love to hear more of them. At the very least please U2U me with them, and if you would like I would love to continue this conversation with you in Instant Message on Yahoo or such. Excellent work, omikron, and thank you for the confirmation of my beliefs.

Originally posted by chunder
Isaac stated -

"PACL was hidden in an office complex owned entirely by the military but made to look like an unassuming tech company. From the street, all you could see was what appeared to be a normal parking lot with a gate and a guard booth, and a 1-story building inside with a fictitious name and logo".

Hey FredT,
How far can you go with this? Can you get some info of some places that existed in the mid 80s that had a parking lot, a gate, a guard booth and a 1-story building? I'm sure there are many but maybe we could narrow it down a bit. Thank you.

Stanford Research Park in 1985

List of companies that occupied grounds there over the years - you have to scroll down a bit.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by chunder]

Hi all,

Been quietly looking at the Isaac stuff and i'm picking through his letter for stuff of interest and i was wondering if somebody could help me.

In the letter when Isaac starts talking about the "Language" and he states:

"In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, AND EVEN MORE SO IN THE BIG BASIN PHOTOS".

I went back to the Big Basin photo's because as i recall I didn't actually remember seeing any language on those images and when i looked at them (It's difficult because the resolution is so low) i noticed that there were flat panels with possible information on?

From a great distance I can see that they look similair to the linguistic analysis primer diagrams. I'm just wondering if it was these panels that Isacc was refering to, because i can't see any language anywhere else on the craft. I'm just wondering why he says The Big Basin photographs got his interest the most when he is discussing "The Language"


EDIT: I should have read further, he explains that it IS the primer diagrams on the craft even though the image is small. Doh!

[edit on 13/7/07 by October]

I know it has very little to do with the thread, but he did ask, so here's my theories on the panels:

1. Its an old microwave emitter array for communications or some weird type of RADAR
2. Its one of those specialist microphones that can hear long distances
3. Its some sort of weird photovoltaic array for charging batteries possibly for reducing power consumption, possibly for cars, or possibly for powering the security system or somesuch

Anyone considered asking someone at XPARC? If they're not hidden from plain sight inside a courtyard or on the top of the building, then people must be able to use them, perhaps a courteous question might reveal the result?

EDIT: No need it IS a solar array: boeingmedia.com...

www.solarsandiego.net... (one panel seems to be enough for '4000' homes if I read that right. Hmmm

www.defenseindustrydaily.com...



[edit on 13-7-2007 by ejsaunders]