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Unidentified Flying....Nazis?

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posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 02:09 PM
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When UFOs are mentioned, usually an association is made between them and extraterrestrial life. But what if there is no connection between the two? Perhaps these UFOs are human technology. There is perhaps no better place to look for a possible human-UFO connection than Nazi Germany. It is well known that Hitler was seeking a super-technology to stop the Allied advance through France. He was well aware of the impending Allied victory, and needed something to strike a crippling blow against the Allies. He ordered his scientists to come up with some grand machine that could usher Germany into an unexpected victory.

After some research, I found some interesting information about a site in central Europe were secret Nazi experiments were taking place. Apparently there was testing of some kind of gravity-defying craft at this site. The device was shaped like a bell, had some sort of mercury-like liquid in it (that glowed when the device was turned on), and produced side effects such as sleeplessness and vertigo in the scientests who worked on the project. Through some unknown mechanism, this bell could apparently levitate objects. There is more info on this here: en.wikipedia.org... There are other claims of Allied bombers spotting disk-shaped craft with swatsikas on them. This could also account for greater numbers of UFO sitings after the war, since it one could assume the Allies captured this technology.

So, what do you guys think? This is my first post, so go easy on me. It is in no way substantial evidence of Nazi meddling in anti-gravity tech, but I think it's a more logical theory than alien visitation (sorry, I know I stepped on more than a few toes with that one).




posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 02:18 PM
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Hello Casew,

There have been discussions on ATS about this topic before...

If you go to Tin Wiki you will find a good article and links to other

ATS discussions concerning this...


tinwiki.org...



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 02:22 PM
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Nazi's did develop a ton of new aircraft that look extremely similar to "UFO's" of today, as well as many other government operations are more than likely doing the same thing. Impossible for the modern day civilian to distinguish between UFO from space versus UFO from the same country even with a probe in your butt.



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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Hi Casew, and thanks for an interesting post.

This site may be of interest:

www.naziufos.com...

There's a lot of rather sensational imagery to ogle. But beware, as...


The reality of the "Nazi UFOs" has been highly controversial. No really hard historical evidence about the undisputable existence of such advanced technology has been presented so far.


Also, you said:
So, what do you guys think? This is my first post, so go easy on me. It is in no way substantial evidence of Nazi meddling in anti-gravity tech, but I think it's a more logical theory than alien visitation (sorry, I know I stepped on more than a few toes with that one).

What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 03:00 PM
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The Nazis were very good at creating compelling images and propaganda. And a lot of their "Aryan Superman" image still lingers on, in spite of the fact they were proven long ago not to be so super.

Still, fueled by science fiction stories, we like to think that their scientists were superhuman geniuses, capable of incredible scientific and technical marvels. They did build rockets and flying wings (although so did Allied scientists). So it's fun to think that they managed to solve that nasty gravity problem and build flying saucers that could fly them to hidden bases in Antarctica. Real Astounding Stories!

But the probable truth is that although they had some interesting theories, and made a few experimental mock-ups of things, they ran into the same technical problems the Allies did, and 99 percent of the stuff they came up with never got off the drawing board. The remaining bit and pieces also failed on the runway, not leaving much of anything behind. They never built a fully-functional flying saucer. And the grainy, out-of-focus photos you see of them are hoaxed. If the Germans knew how to do one thing right, it was to document their successes with nice, clear photos and reams of paperwork.

So regardless how "cool" it would be if the Nazis came up with all this stuff, the available evidence just doesn't prove it out. And hey, if they were so awesome, we'd all be speaking German now.



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Beamish What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?


Well, for starters the former does not require us to take extra-terrestrial life forms, whose existence is still kind of a stretch, into account. The simplest explanation for the whole UFO phenomenon is still hidden technology, and it may as well have come from the Germans as anyone else...in my humble opinion.



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 03:29 PM
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My 2 cents, beware of any information with Ernst Zundles name involved...
He is a very strange duck, and in my HO not trustworthy as an info source....Many reports of Nazi saucers can be ultimately traced back to his
origonal info...
bergle



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 03:32 PM
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Casew welcome to ATS
That was a well written first post, but as someone mentioned, has been discussed before.

I recently addressed the Nazi-UFO topic on different thread. Here is the link.



posted on Jun, 26 2007 @ 04:13 PM
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I've had a little fun with this fascinating topic in the form of UFO fan fiction. Here's a link to the short story forum here on ATS:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Beamish What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?


Well, for starters the former does not require us to take extra-terrestrial life forms, whose existence is still kind of a stretch, into account. The simplest explanation for the whole UFO phenomenon is still hidden technology, and it may as well have come from the Germans as anyone else...in my humble opinion.


Agreed, but surely when you're dealing with such an open ended phenomena, (not taking into account all those who say they know that aliens are piloting UFOs) the likelyhood of UFO sightings being extraterrestial is just as plausible as the Nazis hiding away for the past sixty years and managing to build ariel craft that are goodness knows how many years in advance of current technology in the mean time?

I'm not discounting the possibility, though I find it uncomfortable, because we simply don't know everything about our world, or what happens on it.

But, if UFOs are products of Nazi survival, why haven't we read of rumours and heard stories about that bunch of a******s supposed continued activities?
For example; to do what they are doing they must have finance, and in serious amounts to fund the design and production of such amazing craft. So where are the leaked documents, as we get in every other global conspiracy, showing, say, Swiss bank accounts with names and origins that have been traced through a convoluted path back to the Third Reich. Or huge purchases of steel, plastics and other materials by third parties dealing with an 'unknown' customer who had a "German accent" that sailed off toward antartica in unmarked container ships?

I'm not trying to labour the point, and, btw, totally respect your opinion, but there's no corroborating "evidence" for this conspiracy, only vestigal stories that have become attached to the Nazi's real scientific and engineering achievments towards the end of WWII.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:36 AM
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...I would speculate, that just like the USA and Russia

"shared" German rocket scientist at the end of WWII [Operation

Paperclip]
...They also shared the saucer technology. I think not only

did they share it... They perfected it...

We have seen all over the world images of the "classic" saucer design,

from the 1940's up 'till the 70's-80's (and beyond)...

By the 1980's we have seen many more of the triangle design...

kinda like a UFO "upgrade"...

[edit on 27-6-2007 by cosmokatt7]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 09:59 AM
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UFO's - Hidden Evidence - The Bell

www.youtube.com...

This 8 minute video talks about the Nazi bell.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Beamish What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?

To break it down further, Beamish...I'm gonna be a party-poop.
Aliens piloting UFOs? More likely a result of MK ULTRA-type brainwashing/post-hypnotic suggestions as regards 'witnesses' and abductees.

Lack of rumours? Well, we're talking about it, and there are numerous threads here that explore the issue of Nazi-era German technology. Even now, we're hearing of Tesla's discoveries breaching their initial supression and heading mainstream...and that is Victorian tech!

Finances? Looks like the treasury of the 3'rd Reich disappeared after the war. You'll see rumours here of subs headed to South America and Antarctica...Operation High Jump as a response. That's a lot of dough...though there are other equally juicy explanations out there for its final resting spot.

Another poster mentioned American and Russian 'sharing' of Nazi Tech...Operation Paperclip. This was a US programme. The scientists fled Peenemunde for the US lines carrying what they could. The Russians got the base, the factories...all the standing tech, most of which was stripped and sent east.

... dealing with an 'unknown' customer who had a "German accent" that sailed off toward antartica in unmarked container ships? That only happens in Clive Cussler stories.

You're right in what you say...that there is no real evidence supporting my position, but if I were to bet the farm, I'd say that hidden tech...quite possibly the result of the scientists of a rogue regime...trumps little green men every time. But either way, there is a hell of a yarn to be told.

And I say all this from the perspective of someone who actually wrote Von Braun in the '60s, asking for his take on UFO's. The response? A form letter from NASA along with some dismissive brochure. But hey, I'm aboard ATS, right



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
Casew welcome to ATS
That was a well written first post, but as someone mentioned, has been discussed before.


Gee...I think that would have been me....



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Beamish What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?


Another poster mentioned American and Russian 'sharing' of Nazi Tech...Operation Paperclip. This was a US programme. The scientists fled Peenemunde for the US lines carrying what they could. The Russians got the base, the factories...all the standing tech, most of which was stripped and sent east.


Gee...I believe that was me again...

Guess I just resent being refered to as "another poster" ...



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck Another poster mentioned American and Russian 'sharing' of Nazi Tech...Operation Paperclip.

Indeed, it was Cosmokatt7 who reminded us of Operation Paperclip, and I expect that we're a long ways off from learning all of the info that was transferred from the Nazi state, in exchange for a degree of lenience in the 'denazification' process.



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 03:47 PM
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I think you forget in your analysis that: lifting an object is one thing, making it fly at mach10 without a noise is slightly different...

to lift a saucer you need a technology that we are just "discovering" today.
to reach speed up to mach 6 takes high tech materials that were not available during WWII

defying gravity requires a source of energy that was far beyond germans capabilities during WWII. making "saucers" fly requires alloys and certainly superconductors

ok: their scientists paved the way to the nuclear bomb but that's it...

they were pretty advanced in terms of jet engines as they were producing the 1st jet fighter. in terms of aerodynamics: same thing.

The V1 and V2 were the apex of their technology. see after the war what happened: americans and russians had problems using this technology for missiles and launching satellites... so extrapolating that they have being developing UFOs based on potential german blueprints... I really doubt.

if they had made significant discoveries during the war the allies would have used it and we would be flying MHD boeings and airbus instead of jet engines planes using fossil fuel...



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 03:48 PM
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Thanks for all the input guys. I guess I should have searched for this topic before I posted. I've been a lurker here for a few years (mostly for the mysterious creatures stuff, I love cryptozoology), and finally decided to "tie the knot", so to speak.

Beamish, although the survival of the Nazi party could fit into this, I supposed that the US would have captured this technology (along with the scientists working on it). But you're right, with something as open-ended as UFOs, a lot of theories seem to be just as plausible as the next. This is where I like to use something I call "plausibility calculus". It's not actually calculus of course, but it works by comparing two theories together and then determing how many known phenomena occuring in each instance are proven to take place in reality. So with Nazis vs. Aliens it would work like this:

Nazi UFO
Existance of Nazis(proven)
Secret Nazi tech programs(proven)
UFO phenomena witnessed(proven)
Nazi tech taken by Allies(proven)
Anti-gravity device(unproven)

Plausibility points: 4

Alien UFO
Existance of aliens(unproven)
Interstellar space travel(unproven)
UFO phenomena witnessed(proven)
Alien tech used by gov. (unproven)
Coverup regarding UFOs(proven)

Plausibility points: 2


By using this system it's possible to determine the plausible occurance of any two theories. I'm not saying this is an end-all way of discovering the truth and I'm not saying it's actually scientific either, but it is logical (to me anyway, but I'm a simple man.
) The above list could probably go on a lot farther (maybe our collective intellect can came up with some more things for the list). While the nature of UFOs, to me, is still a complete mystery, if I were asked which of these two was the more likely culprit, I would blame those darn Nazis. :p



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 04:02 PM
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your technique is flawed from the start: you are piling up things and imply that they relate to each other and then give them a mark...


I have 2 lungs (proven)
my dog has 2 lungs (proven)
I am a dogs (unproven)

plausibility: 2



I will marry a woman i love (proven)
I have a grandmother (proven)
I love my grandmother (proven)
I'll marry my grandmother (unproven)

plausibility = 3

etcetcetc...


In rhetoric it works just fine. but it is used to mislead your "opponent"...
check the greek philosophers for that or the game theory started by Nash in the 50s. but it implies to have a solid background in maths and probabilities...

and by the way: anti gravitation exists and is proven: it is just a matter of "scale". check "yamato MHD" on Google. japanese project from the 90s.

try to find a documentary on youtube that shows you a magnet, a superconductor dipped in nitrogen. you'll see a demonstration of antigravitation... just think of earth to provide the magnet now and the superconductor to work at ambient temperature. here you go: you have an anti gravitational device... just a matter of time here...

and: yes, i am also a simple man


[edit on 27-6-2007 by choubix]



posted on Jun, 27 2007 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Beamish What makes you believe Nazi UFOs are more plausible than EBE's?

To break it down further, Beamish...I'm gonna be a party-poop.
Aliens piloting UFOs? More likely a result of MK ULTRA-type brainwashing/post-hypnotic suggestions as regards 'witnesses' and abductees.

Lack of rumours? Well, we're talking about it, and there are numerous threads here that explore the issue of Nazi-era German technology. Even now, we're hearing of Tesla's discoveries breaching their initial supression and heading mainstream...and that is Victorian tech!

Finances? Looks like the treasury of the 3'rd Reich disappeared after the war. You'll see rumours here of subs headed to South America and Antarctica...Operation High Jump as a response. That's a lot of dough...though there are other equally juicy explanations out there for its final resting spot.

Another poster mentioned American and Russian 'sharing' of Nazi Tech...Operation Paperclip. This was a US programme. The scientists fled Peenemunde for the US lines carrying what they could. The Russians got the base, the factories...all the standing tech, most of which was stripped and sent east.

... dealing with an 'unknown' customer who had a "German accent" that sailed off toward antartica in unmarked container ships? That only happens in Clive Cussler stories.

You're right in what you say...that there is no real evidence supporting my position, but if I were to bet the farm, I'd say that hidden tech...quite possibly the result of the scientists of a rogue regime...trumps little green men every time. But either way, there is a hell of a yarn to be told.

And I say all this from the perspective of someone who actually wrote Von Braun in the '60s, asking for his take on UFO's. The response? A form letter from NASA along with some dismissive brochure. But hey, I'm aboard ATS, right


Party poop all you want, JC!


Sure we're talking about it, but not about anything specific, are we? If they've escaped me then please forgive me, but where are the reports of Nazi UFOs landing and being witnessed? And nobody's denying the Nazi's advanced tech.

Hell, if they'd managed to advance even further along the lines they were going, and deploy the atom bomb in Europe, the world map would look completely different.

I'll cede the point that the reasons behind Admiral Byrd's expedition may well have been obscured. But surely if the Reich had secreted itself away, and pummeled an American fleet after the war, then where's the reports of the return match? Surely the US wouldn't have let it lie?

Reports of Swiss accounts full of the Nazi's looted treasures and scavenged gold are rife, but weren't they frozen? There could have been more, granted, but again, where's the accounts, or any account, of vast amounts of money being transported from an allied occupied Europe?

Yes, Op Paperclip resulted in NASA's triumphs, but if the Nazi's had anti grav and discs, wouldn't the Saturn boosters have been a slightly different shape?


Clive Cussler? Sorry, that's the writer in me coming out!


I respect your opinion, and as you can see from my signature
, Im willing to admit when I'm wrong!

However, when 'they' finally land and step out into the glare of the world's gathered press, I know who'll be buying the beers!!



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