Video: Muslims Against Jihad, page 2

Originally posted by Cypher
The truth is, you obviously know, since it was even included in the definition of jihad that you posted, that the word “jihad” can mean armed struggle against non-believers. You would have to be willfully ignorant to not know that even amongst Muslims, the word is often used in that context. In fact, westerners and non-Muslims, only know the word at all from it being used my Mullahs and Imams in calling the faithful to take arms against the non-believers. If there has been any corruption of the meaning of the word, it came from factions inside Islam, and not from the evil conservatives at Fox News who you erroneously assumed made this documentary.

While I fail to see your argument here, I am still wondering if anybody reads my posts at all - especially my first post here, which has to do with several types of STRUGGLE - I mean Jihad. Sadly the an averege non-Muslim (like yourself) can not understand the very meaning of this word, but can learn the meaning being presented to him/her via mainstream corporate media or via television entertainment or movies and at the last point BOOKS. Here is my first question: how many books did you read about Islam? My second question: did you get all your information about Islam from documentaries such as this or certain internet sites called Jihadwatch? Have you even read the several meanings of Jihad - I mean STRUGGLE? Did you find yourself, trying to make a living in your everyday life in one of those definitions? Did you not try, at least once in your lifetime, to struggle of good against evil in the mind? Sadly the interpretation of Jihad is widely used and known only as a full frontal assault on non-Muslims - yet I think that this documentary does not mention that there are several types of Jihad - the STRUGGLE - just ignores that fact and moves on.

I guess one could argue that the makers of the film would have been more accurate if they had entitled it “Muslims Against Jihad Bis Saif, but I don’t think that would be too realistic.

No - the makers of this movies could just call it, as I have called it before: RADICAL AGAINST MODERATE MUSLIMS. And knowing, that there are at least a billion of Muslims living on this planet, I think that there is possibly 1% of those, who are using Jihad by the sword.

The point is, the word “jihad” is universally known to most commonly refer to the armed struggle by Muslims against non-believers and even if it wasn’t, it is one of the valid definitions of the word.

Commonly known by a non-Muslim yes. But it is NOT a valid definition of that word, as I have stated numerous times in this thread. Each and every day EVERYBODY living on this planet is involved in a STRUGGLE of many kinds. Are you trying to say, that you are not? Damn! - then you must be one happy individual, without any problems! And I have to say, I kind of envy you!

Again, this is in and of itself a straw man argument used time and time again by Islamic apologists to ignore uncomfortable truths about their religion. As Seekerof said earlier, Islam does have some strong and beautiful tenets, but unless the moderates can recapture the voice of Islam, it will remain incompatible with modernity.

I am neither a Muslim nor am I an Islamic apologist. I am only an individual, who keep an open mind and tries to see through the vast net of lies and deceptions, being served to all of us by corporate mainstream media, which claim that they are liberal or conservative in their viewpoint - but at last, they just turn out to be one head of the same dragon.

As an aside, I will note that while I am a conservative I can understand why PBS would not have been happy with this film. I myself would have liked to see more of the moderate’s point of view on the struggle to live an Islamic life the way they see it, without having to acquiesce to the views of the more radical, almost fascist Muslims.

You and I can not possibly understand moderate or radical Muslims just by watching this documentary or by reading a few articles on the internet. Like the saying goes, we would have to walk in their shoes in order to fully understand the very meaning. Yet the question arises, what caused these Muslims to turn from moderate to radical? Are they just bored? Or were they kind of provoked into turning into Jihad with a sword? Last time I checked there is a F.U.B.A.R. situation in Iraq and Afganistan - not to mention Palestine or Lebanon. Peace in Middle East has become only an unreachable illusion, which has been forgotten in the endless circle of violence. Suddenly Muslims all over the world are being labeled as terrorists, just on the fact that they are part of Islamic religion. And you ask yourself, why is this creating a certain big amount of un-happy, angry Muslims? Well you should think again...