Every time I read or hear about honor killing, I simply shake my head.
Islam, as a religion, has some strong and beautiful beliefs and practices, like many other religions. As such, it remains a religion that has simply failed, miserably, to adapt to the world trending of globalization and modernization.

Islam is pretty young...Christians and Jews have had their kill and purge stage already. This fighting in the name of God thing is pretty common to young religions. Just my thought on the matter.

Souljah, did you even bother to watch the video?

I kind of doubt it, since if you had I'm sure you would have realized that FOX had nothing to do with the production of this, it was made for PBS by an independent documentary group.

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It's funny the way some folks will try make FOX look like the perpetrator of this film. I applaud the makers of this, they had to put up with a lot of the usual liberal bias from networks like PBS. Can't say I'm surprised that the liberal media will try to supress the truth about this critical issue addressing islamofascists and their threatening presence in western societies. It's just too conservative to expose these extremists because it might make the Bush administration look like they have point.

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Thanks for posting the video I just watched only 18 minutes of it so far but will watch the whole thing when I get back home.

I wonder if they also had a clip of the other hour, it would be interesting to compare the two. I had heard of this video and the controversy it caused and was wondering what it was all about.

Well now that I have watched only this very short portion, I think people should be demanding it be aired to expose the horrid practices they have.


As for it failing journalism 101 I think they need their head examimed, so far all I have seen is excelleant coaverage on the issue. I guess the truth must really heard some people and they do not want us to know it, which is indeed very sad.

Originally posted by Souljah
Actually I did not watch the entire video, since the title is misleading.

There is absolutely nothing misleading in the title.

The video shows eaxctly what it states Muslims against muslims, or moderate muslims against radical muslims if you will and the problems they are facing.

Originally posted by laiguana
It's funny the way some folks will try make FOX look like the perpetrator of this film. I applaud the makers of this, they had to put up with a lot of the usual liberal bias from networks like PBS. Can't say I'm surprised that the liberal media will try to supress the truth about this critical issue addressing islamofascists and their threatening presence in western societies. It's just too conservative to expose these extremists because it might make the Bush administration look like they have point.

Sadly certain people still belive there is actually a difference between conservative and liberal. There are conservatives or liberals. There are environmentalists or corporate interests, Catholics or Protestants, Jews or Muslims, black or white. The people of the World are divided among many lines, ultimately under the confines of a system of right and left. he truth is, there is no right or left. There is only right and wrong. The media bosses and their followers would have you believe otherwise. They would have you believe that right is whatever particular news station they watch and which political party belong to, and wrong is the opposition. This might be true if the sides of today were genuine. Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total manipulation and control of the population through any kind of mainstream media. Yet in the end, they shall all come to the same BIG BOSS and do exactly that he tells them.

That is the left-right paradigm, designed to keep us apart and keep us controlled.

Originally posted by shots
There is absolutely nothing misleading in the title.

EVERYTHING is misleading in the title. If you have read what Jihad actually means to Muslims, then you would have realized that and not written that certain comment. The proper title for this kind of a documetnary would be:

RADICAL AGAINST MODERATE MUSLIMS

And would have nothing to do with Jihad - which is a part of Muslim religion and is not designed to be a violent or armed assault on the West. Therefore the title is misleading the entire perception of Islamic religion, considering that Jihad is something to do with suicide attacks and plane hijacking.

Originally posted by Souljah


RADICAL AGAINST MODERATE MUSLIMS

Well I happen too disagree with you big time. It clearly shows Moderates have to fight to get their way within the Muslim religion because the fanatics delare a jihad against them. Perhaps you should watch more of the film then you might understand the true issue here.

Islam is pretty young...Christians and Jews have had their kill and purge stage already. This fighting in the name of God thing is pretty common to young religions.

Hmm, I don't recall when Buddhism went through that stage ?

Originally posted by shots
Well I happen too disagree with you big time. It clearly shows Moderates have to fight to get their way within the Muslim religion because the fanatics delare a jihad against them. Perhaps you should watch more of the film then you might understand the true issue here.

And you fail to understand that there are several types of Jihad and that not all of them have a negative meaning, as most of non-Muslims understand that word. But I am also surprised that after 18 minutes of watching you already understand everything in the video - perhaps you should watching it too before speaking out and understanding the issue here; which is the misleading title.

Originally posted by Souljah
But I am also surprised that after 18 minutes of watching you already understand everything in the video - perhaps you should watching it too before speaking out and understanding the issue here; which is the misleading title.

Hello anyone home? I said that over 40 minutes ago and have had it running in the background all along. You really should stop assuming things. You are looking at it from a view consistant with a closed society and I am looking at it from a free societies view point.

Originally posted by shots
Hello anyone home? I said that over 40 minutes ago and have had it running in the background all along. You really should stop assuming things. You are looking at it from a view consistant with a closed society and I am looking at it from a free societies view point.

My point in the first place was, that a video with such a title can not speak objectively about a religion - in this case Islam - if the very fundamentals of it, which are mentioned in the title, are not exactly clear to them. And I bet that after watching this documentary, suddenly everybody is an expert on Islam.

Originally posted by Souljah

And I bet that after watching this documentary, suddenly everybody is an expert on Islam.

So are you an expert on Islam" You sure seem to make it sound that way.

Originally posted by shots
So are you an expert on Islam" You sure seem to make it sound that way.

Nope - never said that; but there seem to be a whole bunch of those EXPERTS and certain documentaries lately, which claim they know everything there is about Islam, but have probably never even talked to a Muslim in their lifetime. My point was - I shall repeat it again - that the basic of this documentary has nothing to do with Jihad, since Jihad has a certain different meaning to a Muslim then it does to a non-Muslim. And usually when a non-Muslim hears a word Jihad, he thinks of suicide bombers. There are extremists within every religion and within every country and probably withing most of the governments. Jihad is a vital part of Islamic religion - because it means STRUGGLE; and we all know the meaning of this word, each and every time we wake up in the morning, go to work, pay our taxes, buy food, pay the rent...

One more thing I have noticed; when typing that same title in Google, a big number of hits is recorded, funny how most of them belong to very conservative bloggers and/or news sources.

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Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Islam is pretty young...Christians and Jews have had their kill and purge stage already. This fighting in the name of God thing is pretty common to young religions. Just my thought on the matter.

I've always thought the same thing actually.

Although I don't recall the Jews killing much in the past, then again I never read much about such.

Originally posted by sy.gunson

Islam is pretty young...Christians and Jews have had their kill and purge stage already. This fighting in the name of God thing is pretty common to young religions.

Hmm, I don't recall when Buddhism went through that stage ?

That's because Buddhism is a philosophy not a religion... Buddha does not encourage people to look up to him or kneel and pray to him. The philosophy is about living in balance with your surroundings. Unlike the insanities of every other religious people... christians too (hell, they might even be the worst!).

On topic
Interesting about the recruitment. Back in the earlier muhammed crisis you probably wouldn't have a hard time finding subjects to recruit, but it's also important to know that Denmark house a lot of moderate / democratic muslims...just like every other melting pot country.

In fact we just got our very first political leader yesterday who happens to be a democratic muslim. The new party though is completely danish in its nature. They will follow a tight immigrant policy.
Their political stance resembles that of the party leading Denmark today, although leaning a little more towards the middle.

In other words, when this new party is gonna rise to be one of the parties to form the parliment at our next election you can be damn sure that Al Zaqarwi is gonna have a hard time.

If you're interested in looking into this new party and their democratic muslim leader you can do a search on these words:

Nasar Khader (the leader)

New Alliance / Ny Alliance (the party)



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