Highschoolers meet Bush, tell him to stop torture

You gotta love the youth of America! www.msnbc.msn.com...

And these werent your average high shcoolers, they were "Presidential Scholars"


Little do these kids know that they have zero chance of becoming president, unless of course they go on to become Masons or Bonesmen.

That is good stuff. Poor kids have no idea most of them will get put on a terrorist watch list.......I have to say I side with the gov on nail pulling....If it saves one American life torture away IMHO During WWII they (we) did much worse..Hell in Vietnam the ARMY taught soldiers how to get info with a crank phone

yeah and didn't that get used on our troops latter i recall one of our guys getting his balls lit up by car battery.

it happens to our troops regardless.....people have this idea that if we treat our prisoners like royalty that if/when our guys are caught they will be treated really well.....hmmm...well thats a load of crap. If I recall, we feed our prisoners 3 meals a day (better food then our soldiers get), allowed to call and write home, give them bibles/korans, fresh clothing, medical attention, etc.....sure some of them were forced to wear hoods, listen to loud music, and sit on concrete...BIG DEAL.....but when 3 of our own marines were captured they were NOT fed, NOT given medical attention, NOT allowed to contact loved ones, NOT given clean clothing...they were F****** SHOT IN THE HEAD and dumped along a road and river.....it amazes me how AMERICANS have bleeding hearts and want change for the treatment of our enemy...but the same emotions don't come out when one of their own is executed....just proves the kind of people that live in this country and why the quality of America is at it's worst.

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Hello 11 Bravo.

Oh .. these poor kids. The NEA has done a great job of brainwashing them. The blame-America-first left wing ideology that the NEA espouses has tainted their minds.

Gitmo torture? Baaaah. They are eating better now then ever. They get better medical care then many Americans. It's their own fault that they are in GITMO. It isn't a country club afterall. (oh ... I'm sure I'll get flames from ya'll for that! )

The Stanford Review has some interesting things to say about the NEA. Ya'll read up now... and have a nice day.

That is a bit tragic, for the kids, who have no concept of what torture really is. Perhaps they should all have a research project about torture methods used on detainees in other countries? This little incident is just political correctness at work...it's unfortunate that they cannot distinguish the difference between basic interrogation methods and actual torture. What seems to be the most concern for me is that these children have been brainwashed into thinking that the well-being of these suspected terrorists is more important than the well-being of our nation at whole.

Ungreatful, spoiled brats. How dare they.

To pose such a question to our president is just incomprehensible. These kids are obviously the product of Liberal parents and teachers and they should be followed by Homeland Security for the rest of their lives.
They dont know what REAL torture is.
Flyersfan, can you define REAL TORTURE???
LaIguana, can you?

We all know what we did was NOT torture, so i'm trying to find out what you would classify AS TORTURE.

So then what's the problem?? GITMO folks are not tortured .

They eat very well and are provided meals that are religion appropriate. They get good medical care. The best they have ever had. They get to exercise. They get Qurans and prayer rugs. ALL ON MY TAX MONEY.

We have all discussed this at length on many threads. They aren't tortured. Period.

Laiguana is correct. This is nothing mroe than children being used by the liberal NEA created school system to further their agenda. (the NEA that donates to democrats 9 out of every 10 dollars it raises) Hey .. I'm all for kids getting involved. This is going to be their country to run in a few years. But it's just sad that the school system (and liberal parents) USED the kids to futher their own agenda.

At that age they are just tape recorders of parents and school teachers.


Deflection drama.

Oh dg .. gotta love ya'!!

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People just don't understand war is all. Torture is part of war, for BOTH sides; it's a good way of extracting information.

Seriously, are you saying that some of the best and brightest youth of America are 'brainwashed' and have 'tainted' minds?
It that really your position?


Oh yeah? Did you read that in the news or have you eaten with them recently? What does eating have to do with torture? As long as they are well fed then its ok to torture? I dont understand your claim here, not to mention its a slippery statement. If we only fed them bread and water before but now we feed them bread and water AND a rotton apple, couldnt we say they are 'eating better then ever'?

They do? Thats curious, why would they need medical care when they are locked in cells all day? Makes you wonder, doesnt it?

Uh huh, thats why there has been only one conviction that I know of.
They got nothing on those guys, but it makes good show.

11Bravo...I think what people mean by better medical treatment is this....as an AMERICAN you go to the hosptial and sit in the waiting room for god knows how long just to be seen, you hope your insurance covers it, or hope you have a deep pocket to pay for the rediculous bill thats comes with the ER or family doctor for even minor things....what to our gitmo, or any prisoners for that matter get....FREE IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE.....people's children in this country don't even get that!!!

As for the food....if I could get what we are serving them for FREE...I wouldn't complain one bit!

And to think...an 11B infantryman worried more about detainees that would kill you without hesitation than your own countrymen. Why didn't you cry out when your friends took those 3 marines hostage and executed them without food, water, medical treatment etc.....

The US government is planning to close the book on torture by legislating against it. In this legislation they will define what is torture and they will prevent organisations, both civil and military, from performing any of the defined actions.

The government is responding to human rights issues with strong legislation to reinforce the role of the US as the great humanitarian land of fairness and justice for all.

Doesn't this make you all warm and fuzzy?

EXCEPT, the exceptions. Anything NOT in the legislation will be fair game. The game changes. At the present time, torture is decided by the courts and anything vile could be interpreted as illegal by the court system. Once the legislation is in place, the courts will have no option but to accept certain activities as legal.

Much of the torture in Gitmo (and rendition sites) is based not on externally inflicted pain such as beatings, electrocution, burning etc, but on internally generated pain such as that caused by being forced to hold certain stress body positions. Or by tight chaining victims and then forcing them to stand for hours on tiptoe in water up to their lower lip. Or chaining them naked with a hood over their heads for up to days on end. Nobody struck these victims or applied electricity or pulled out their fingernails but they sure as hell tortured them.

You can bet the legislation concentrates on external physical torture and leaves the door to psychological or stress positioning tortures wide open. And remember, once it's legislated, the door will open for civilian authorities to use the exception techniques without prejudice. Watch the conviction rate from confessions soar - people will agree to anything just to make it stop. And it will be LEGAL.

hippiechick.....im just curious....if you were in charge, and say 100 american troops lives were on the line...you needed info from say 3 captured enemy soldiers....you heard that an attack may take place the next day and if you don't find out where it may very well kill all those troops....and all 3 prisoners told you to go F yourself..let the american troops die...what exactly would you do? since ANYTHING we do is obviously to mean and torture in your mind...

Torture, why not? My thought on the subject is so politically incorrect, they didn't let me in the armed forces because of it. They said I couldn't do that, so I said well, to each his own. I think that what is military should stay military. It should not be a topic up for discussion, they have a job to let them do it no matter what the cost to the enemy.

It's very sad and petty using kids this way. Can we have a report on how uneducated our students are to balance this?

But when you ban Military Recruiters from school, and make ALGORE's fictional documentary, mandatory viewing, I guess this is what you get.

Winston Churchill once said if you are 20 and are not a liberal you have no heart. If you turn 40 and are not a conservative, then you have no brain. Makes sense in this situation.

Brainwashing? Sounds like these intelegent kids, I don't know, have an intelegent opinion on an important issue?


No, it's gotta be brainwashing.

Can it not be that maybe they came to the conclusion that torturing someone is wrong, not that they have been brain washed?

Gitmo torture? Baaaah. They are eating better now then ever. They get better medical care then many Americans.

Oh yeah, but YOU do understand war?
So tell me Jr., have you been to war?


No, torture is a part of war for war criminals


Again, you speak like a man with experiance Jr. Have you tortured?
Have you been tortured?
Read about one of our boys, an interrogator from the hell that is Iraq. Read it Jr., educate yourself.

www.washingtonpost.com...

As far as torture being "a good way of extracting information" as you claim....

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