Originally posted by Lexion
Any proof of these "arctic island" launch sites ?
Oh, well, classified, don't you know.
Except for the Commies, of course, who would be tracking something like that.
Yes, yes they would.
But they were in on the scam.
Anything relevant to add to this ?
What "scam" are you referring to ?
The scam involving the two countries making all kinds of happy noises about cooperating in space, coordinating designs for hatches, paying visits to
each other in Mir and Skylab. All this while the two countries worked together to analyze the alien menance after the lone Soviet moon shot
discovered the farside base, and Apollo 19 was destroyed. Apollo 18 was scrapped because it was too far completed to make the design changes
necessary to perform a military, rather than scientific, mission.
Maybe we even shipped Apollo 19 and 20 as components over to one of their perfectly good launch facilities.
Ok. This is a probability. A very good probability.
But, why would the USSR (at the time) do this ?
Please list reasons. (You have me interested)
The U.S. had beaten the Soviets to the Moon, of course, but until the failing Soviet economy crippled their space program, they were still very active
and anxious to get to the Moon, anyway. The Soviets had a long history of keeping its space program a secret, particularly when it came to failures
and cosmonaut deaths. When the alien lunar presence was discovered, Nixon shifted a lot of money away from NASA and boosted funding for the U.S.
Secret Space Force, which has been in operation since the early 1950's. The cooperation between the Soviets and the U.S. was one of necessity.
This is the stuff Ronald Reagan was going on about when he spoke to the Russians about joining forces to fight a common extraterrestrial enemy.
Except he wasn't talking about a future event, he was reminding them of the alliance they already had. After he requested the "MJ-12" briefing,
which included data gathered from the Soviet and Apollo 19-20 lunar missions, he was extremely worried. It's one of the reasons he spend all those
billions of dollars on the (more successful than admitted) Star Wars program. Not as a shield against the Soviets, who he knew couldn't mount a
serious offensive, but from the aliens. The ISS was supposed to function like a fort or outpost in the Old West, coordinating strategic and defense
forces in space. Anyway, that's the way Reagan thought. Like a cowboy movie.
Oh, and one of the big reasons Nixon had such a turn-around with the Chinese was because we needed to overfly their country during launches, and we
needed to negotiate for that.
All it would take to hide a launch is a ton of money
I disagree.
Launches from sites are observable.
Money can't hide a launch.
It can if you take that ton of money and build facilities so far out in the Siberian boondocks nobody but a few yak herders would see it. Maybe a few
amateur astronomers might pick up on something odd in orbit, but who listens to them? They'd just figure they were looking at some classified CIA
satellite.
Keep talking. 
Of course, constructing and operating a fully functional Saturn launch facility in relative secrecy would be quite a challenge. The key would be to
reduce costs by "outsourcing" most of the work to qualified companies (or in this case, countries). Do the basic research out in the open with
NASA, Skylab and Mir, then take the results and roll it over into the military project, which would be run by a few American supervisors and mostly
Russian technicians.
As for the current state of the military program, that would be anybody's guess. Clementine, "excavating for a mine," as the old song goes, was a
CIA reconaissance satellite. I suspect that rather being "lost and gone forever," it's still keeping a quiet watch on alien lunar farside and
polar bases, possible serving as a kind of early warning system in case of any increased alien activity.
Ah-hah, you say. It's all starting to fall into place. Ask John Lear. He'll tell you what he can, without making himself a target for an
unfortunate fatal "accident."
[edit on 10-7-2007 by SuicideVirus]
It's so EASY to launch a rocket that
no one knows about! 
