Originally posted by undo
Of course, these could just be satellites and star wars based hardware being launched, but since it's top secret military function, there's no way to know what they are doing.

since he knows everything, maybe Zaphod can tell us what was in those rockets launched from Cape last week...?



[edit on 25-6-2007 by DarthMarduk]

It seems to be some class of model, detailed but there's something there that makes me believe it's actually a model and nothing else. If that the case, I don't know why ppl waste their time making such hoaxes... not funny to me, whatever

Because it's his hobby, and it gets people talking, it's probably quite a satisfiying feeling when he adds up all the viewing number of his clips, and if he checks forums like ATS etc to judge talk/response factor

just a quick question of believers of the " secret apollo 20 mission " . where did apollo 18 and 19 go ?

Somebody stole the mission badges for 18/19 and sold them on ebay so they had to go straight to 20!!!

Originally posted by Zaphod58

the Saturn V rockets were never built

Could you elaborate on this just a little bit? Thanks.

To be honest after emailing retiredafb and getting several responses this guys seems to know exactly what he is talkin about.. However we DO need to see more evidence and footage from the acclaimed "22 hours" of mission footage taken on apollo 20.

Recently i have decided not to look into the videos too much and instead focus on the launch and preperation needed for this kind of mission.. he states in an interview the following:

- 300 people were assigned to this secret misson.
- it was a launch from the Vandenberg AFB
- this was a USAF launch not NASA

so i plan to start from the ground up (quite literally) if it wasnt possible to get the rocket off the ground then the rest is obviously a hoax.

I have continued to talk to this guy via email and everyday he is answering my questions. I have recently sent him a large email about the launch I hope to get an answer this evening when he logs on.

like alot of you i hope this is real, but im certainly not gonna believe it till i have seen all evidance.

Will keep you all posted

Rich

Originally posted by curiousbeliever

So having William Rutledge, Leona Snyder and Alexei Leonov as the crew of Apollo 20 isn't out of the question... especially since not everyone in NASA would be aware of a secret mission.

NASA had nothing to do with the crew selection of this mission.. the USAF selected the 3 crew.

Rich

there's already a huge thread on this.

Mods can you close this down or combine with the other bigger thread?

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Zaphod58

the Saturn V rockets were never built

Could you elaborate on this just a little bit? Thanks.

John what are your thoughts on this video?

Originally posted by olegkvasha

Recently i have decided not to look into the videos too much and instead focus on the launch and preperation needed for this kind of mission.. he states in an interview the following:

- 300 people were assigned to this secret misson.
- it was a launch from the Vandenberg AFB
- this was a USAF launch not NASA

quote edited for emphesis

GOTCHA!

so it was not sent up on a Saturn-V then ?

vandenberg does not have a VAB [ YEHICLE ASSEMBLY BUILDING ] which was required for the assembly / preparation of the saturn v

further - no Saturn V has ever been officially launched @ vanenberg - so even if you did some how assemble it on site - unseen - in the open

eneryone witness to the launch with any understanding of rockets would know it was a saturn V and ask questions

if some new - hither unknown booster capable of lunar ops was built in secret

a few questions stand out :

why has it never been used / heard of before or since

i expect believers to spin some convoluted hand waving excuss citing " new secret rockets "

but bear in mind

- 300 people were assigned to this secret misson.

you only have 300 people for the entire program

so you cannot really claim an entire new launch system was built in secret

secondly - why hasnt this ' whistle blower " mentioned this major fact [ that it was not / could not have been a Saturn V launch ] ?????

its something worthy of mention

so how does he claim they did get to the moon ?

they could not have used saturn V - the only lunar capabale launch system @ the time

as i said GOTCHA!

hoaxers always make mistakes





[edit on 25-6-2007 by ignorant_ape]

A moon launch from Vandenberg? Preposterous. They'd have to fly right over Los Angeles. Only high inclination (aka "Polar") launches are undertaken out of Vandenberg. There has never been a Saturn launch facility at Vandenberg.

Obvious hoax. Time to call it so.

someone needs to help this guy get more videos up online anyone from rwanda? =)

Originally posted by MajesticTwelve
someone needs to help this guy get more videos up online anyone from rwanda? =)

well he claims to have 22 hours of footage so guess time will tell

Richy

I could create a ufo, all I have to do is have a plate upside down and have it fly around.

Originally posted by warren44
I could create a ufo, all I have to do is have a plate upside down and have it fly around.

clearly what we are talking about here has something to do with the chinese mystical creature known as the 'sunken dragon' or 'sea serpent'. what is coming to light just recently and apparently has something to do with catnip. if given catnip, these mystical creatures float on the surface for hours while communicating to aliens. there are many texts that don't exist which state all of thee above. this communication, is what has caused aliens to attack cows and seek out the illuminati to generate evil plans to destroy earth. which is why i propose we rename these mythical beasts to 'drunken, sunken dragons' but that really belongs in an entirely new thread. and clearly, i havn't made much of a point here at all.

man the last time a rocket was launched 20 million people witnessed it from the surrounding 200 miles or so. they are very noticeable and can be observed as they go all the way up to space it's self. plus they light up everything around them for miles. not likely that the govt could launch secret rockets even the size of ballistic missiles unless it was way out in the ocean away from all know shipping transit and flight lines. can't use the arctic either cause commercial planes fly over there about as often as they do the midwest.