behold a pale horse

Originally posted by ilovehaters
i think assault weapons can be used for things besides "assault". i went deer hunting with a " assault" weapon!!! its a dream gun but i should be able to own one because the crazy mexican gangbanger or some crazy black guy decides he wants to shoot up a school with one so if he cant handle onoe then lets take everyones away????

First off, did you need the assault weapon to hunt the deer? No. I can use an assault rifle to hammer a nail into a board but its not neccessary. Secondly, its a shame to see that I am serving in the military with such a bigot and racist. Keep waving your rebel flag and I'll keep shaking my head in pity.

Originally posted by JonestownRed

Originally posted by 7th_Chakra

Also I can't understand why people think:-
' Yeah, lets go outside today and shot something'
'What we going to shot dad?'
'Racoons and deer son'
What for dad?
'FUN SON, FOR FUN'

[edit on 12-9-2004 by 7th_Chakra]

I agree. What could be more perverse, insidious or evil than a man who takes his pleasure from death.

ummmm perverse???? no not perverse........... whats perverse is how you democrat @55holes think saddam was a kind generous man he loved killing too but you didnt want us to touch him now did you ???? and then you write on message boards about how "evil" a man is for liking killing tell that to kerry he would have given saddam a BJ instead of going to war with him and making him hide in a rathole

Originally posted by ilovehaters
ummmm perverse???? no not perverse........... whats perverse is how you democrat @55holes think saddam was a kind generous man he loved killing too but you didnt want us to touch him now did you ???? and then you write on message boards about how "evil" a man is for liking killing tell that to kerry he would have given saddam a BJ instead of going to war with him and making him hide in a rathole

Your first mistake is assuming that I am a member of the Democratic party. I'm not. Secondly, I write this to you straight from Camp Fallujah, Iraq, where I have been for the past 6 months. If I loved Saddam so much, I wouldn't be here.
In your argument, it appears that you champion Saddam Hussein, who loves killing, perhaps even more than you? Anyone who loves killing and death is evil... caucasian Republicans like yourself are not exempt, I must inform you.

[edit on 12-9-2004 by JonestownRed]

your ignorance amazes me....... so you are in the military and you dont think anyone should be able to own a assault rifle??? get real........ ok first of all even if they ban them then guess what some guy in his garage right down the street from your mild mannered suburbia house is gonna be doing installs of the newest gadget to make them fully automatic..... oh and by the way i know you arent active duty.... you got to be a weekend warrior..... ONE MORE THING, ON THE RACIST COMMENT MY FATHER IS HISPANIC MY MOTHER IS LEBANESE so I actually have some arabic heritage. Oh yeah and my grandmother came straight across the border from mexico but thats besides the point now isnt it??? so I wouldnt even know what a rebel flag is if I hadnt seen it on dukes of hazard thats what it is right????

Originally posted by ilovehaters
so you are in the military and you dont think anyone should be able to own a assault rifle??? get real........ oh and by the way i know you arent active duty.... you got to be a weekend warrior..... ONE MORE THING, ON THE RACIST COMMENT MY FATHER IS HISPANIC MY MOTHER IS LEBANESE so I actually have some arabic heritage. Oh yeah and my grandmother came straight across the border from mexico but thats besides the point now isnt it???

Yes, I am in the military and I don't think we should be able to own assault rifles. I don't need a M-16 in my living room, a 240 on my roof, or a 50. cal mounted onto my pickup to enjoy life. I am also active duty, but the reservists bleed the same color as us when they die, my friend. Perhaps you should give them a little respect. Forgive me for assuming that you were white, seeing as how you had written what could only be construed as racial slurs about the top 2 ethnic minorities in the US. You may not be white, but you're still a racist. Seeing as how the "Brotherhood of Inane Comments" of which you so openly belong to is not a secret society per se, I believe this argument and topic has run it's course.

I'm not currently serving in the military, but I think Jonestown's case is completely justified. If I was serving in Iraq right now, I certainly wouldn't be in favor of civilians carrying around assault rifles. That, along with homemade bombs, is the whole problem with the Iraqi insurgency.

Back on the homefront, this is why law enforcement groups such as police unions, Fraternal Order of Police, etc., have lobbied against the NRA, fighting to keep the ban on assault rifles for civilians. Our men and women in law enforcement are armed with handguns, not bazookas; but with military weapons fully available, the American streets turn into war zones, and the police are outgunned. It puts the lives of our police in much more jeopardy than they already were.

Even in cases where potential criminals are denied the ability to purchase an assault weapon due to criminal backgrounds, it would be extremely easy for them to acquire one simply by stealing one from someone who bought it legally. As long as these weapons are out there, the crooks will have access to them.

Fiat Lvx.

Ok, FIRST, lets drop the racist BS, ok, and deal with the issue at hand without the ad hominem attacks...

Second, I have already agreed that we don't NEED assault rifles.

As for the denigrations about owning weapons, well, that's fine, then don't own one.

As for a shotgun and a pistol being designed to kill people... well, yes, I had noticed that almost immediately... and purchased them with that particular eventuality in mind... not hoping for it, to be sure, but I travel, and my wife is often home alone, and if some cretin breaks in (not likely now as we are living in a gated community) he won't go out the way he came in...

My long rifle is not, by the way, for hunting. Since we have supermarkets and I personally don't see the sport in hunting an animal, and would only do it to eat, an unlikely eventuality due to the above mentioned supermarketes, I have it for target shooting.

The .45 is also primarily for target shooting. This pasttime is harmless (except to the paper target) and very relaxing, as well as useful. You see, I live in a state that is periodically rattled by earthquakes, and in the event we have a major shaker, the guns might become extremely useful in defending my family and our security during the interim period while services are interrupted and police are unavailable.

I plan ahead. I am not some gun nut, and I resent the folks that point the finger and say: Well, I would never live in a culture that... so, fine, don't live here. I will take this culture with our guaranteed rights over the British one that is already degenerating into rampant socialism and, I am sorry, but the beginnings of Nazism, in the forced registration of masons...

Furhter, I am not so impressed with the French and their persecution of the Jews and Muslims...

So, I will keep my guns and my culture that allows them and personal freedoms, thank you.

But, to get back to the point, I do not think anyone not in the military needs to own an assault rifle.

Originally posted by theron dunn
But, to get back to the point, I do not think anyone not in the military needs to own an assault rifle.

It seemed earlier you were supporting the right of any citizen to own an assault rifle. If not, then I agree with you. By this statement, do you mean that a member of the military should be able to own an assault rifle for his personal use? An assault rifle in the hands of a soldier/marine are as deadly, and usually moreso than your average citizen. I can see the argument for a police officer being able to own one, but not for most members of the military, myself included, who don't have much more training in law enforcement than you do. It is much easier to know how to use a weapon than when.

NO, I do not think anyone needs to own an assault weapon, but I do not think any free citizen should be stopped from owning one...

Its the free part that may be confusing you.

Not that I haven't been enjoying the arguement over assalt rifles and personal political party ideals and so forth. But I would just like to point out that THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT "BEHOLD A PALE HORSE"!!

You people have totally hijacked this thread for almost 2 full pages and to make it worse the newly spawned topic has degraded into a pissing contest and childish insults.

For those who've read Pale Horse, this topic makes for a good example in conjunction with some of what Cooper is trying to bring to the attention of others. If you recall, there is mention of just why it is exactly that there even exists such a reality of 'Totalitarian Elitist Control Groups' who are constantly screwing with People everywhere in their pursuit of becoming 'Earth King'. That reason is simply because the masses of people continue to act like incompitent, irrisponsible, spoiled children or even worse as wild, unstable, dangerous animals.

It isn't going to make one bit of difference when the time arrives that at last all the sheep have been mis-lead to either the slaughter house or slave labor camps, now is it?
Look around you. Take notice to the general opinion and attitude of your fellow brothers & sisters.

Look at the masses of people, who BTW represent the exact definition of 'Herd Mentality' and ask yourself 'Are these People demonstrating qualities of Personal Responsibility, Wise Decission Making, Strength of Character, Sound Judgement, etc?
Or are they just Senseless, Directionless, Mindless, Collectives of Primative Monkey-(Wo)Men who willingly CONSENT to hand over their lives in one or more ways to others, either for the Simplicity of Ignorant Living, Comfort & Amusement of Bread and Circuses, or perhaps such things as Fear, Greed, Shame, Hate, Envy, Lazyness, etc.?"

You can have all the Gun Rights, Automatic weapons, Pro/Anti Gay-Lez Parades, Political Speeches, Amendments, Budget Plans, Movies of the Week and so on that you could ever Claim, Shoot, Cheer, Say, Write & Watch, but none of it makes any difference if the majority of People, from which it gets it's power and purpose, are blind, lost, insane, enslaved, controlled, confused, chaotic & destructive.

"Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do."

"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon.
DON'T concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all the heavenly glory".

~Bruce Lee

Good point, old thread, but would be nice to see it go back on topic... To reiterate my position, I think Cooper is pretty out there, making Streiber and Icke look tame by comparison, hehe....

Originally posted by Gazrok
Good point, old thread, but would be nice to see it go back on topic... To reiterate my position, I think Cooper is pretty out there, making Streiber and Icke look tame by comparison, hehe....

and I concur. Cooper is a thorough whack job...

I have the book right here but I dont know if i want to read a book by someone who said that jupiter will turn into a star in the year 2000 and crash into earth or something crazy like that? Do you guys think I should still read it?

I haven't read the book yet, but does 9/11 tie into it?

ok, I have a guy at work who is telling me that this book has some great secrets in it and when the president got word this book was out, he ordered for this book to be removed from all libraries and book stores. He told me that I would probably have a hard time trying to find it. So, out of curiosity, I searched the web! I found this book for sale on multiple sites including the ever so popular amazon.com. Is my co-worker for real, is this book really worth getting? Is it true the president tried pulling this book off the shelves? And is it true that in the middle of the book were many, many laws that were being changed at that time?
Thanks in advanced!
John

ok, I have a guy at work who is telling me that this book has some great secrets in it and when the president got word this book was out, he ordered for this book to be removed from all libraries and book stores. He told me that I would probably have a hard time trying to find it. So, out of curiosity, I searched the web! I found this book for sale on multiple sites including the ever so popular amazon.com. Is my co-worker for real, is this book really worth getting? Is it true the president tried pulling this book off the shelves? And is it true that in the middle of the book were many, many laws that were being changed at that time?
Thanks in advanced!
John

theron dunn, you make an excellent point about the enforcement issues of the many gun laws we have. what purpose did the ban serve. its like the old saying "a lock only keeps an honest man out". how many times did you see on the news where criminals used illegal/banned weapons to committ their crime? no law is going to stop a criminal from committing crime, it just punishes the honest man!

masonic light, your statement about deer hunting is absolutely not true. one of my best friends mom deer hunted for years very successfully with an sks assault rifle. I always got a laugh out of it and thought maybe it wasnt the best thing to use but it was her choice. she bagged game more often then myself, her two sons and her husband. it makes an excellent brush gun. these rifles were much cheaper, as well as their ammo, than the conventional deer rifle chambered for something that you can only find name brand ammo and rifles in like .270. the family was very poor and it was a logical choice for that reason alone. these folks werent merely hunting for sport but for sustenance. I do agree with you about full-auto rifles but I see no difference in selling a semi only ar-15, fn/fal, ak, etc...than selling a Browning BAR or Remington 7400 with the exception that you can buy the more traditional hunting semi rifle in more powerful cartridges like 7mm magnum, 300 magnum.

Originally posted by sneaky1035
ok, I have a guy at work who is telling me that this book has some great secrets in it and when the president got word this book was out, he ordered for this book to be removed from all libraries and book stores. He told me that I would probably have a hard time trying to find it. So, out of curiosity, I searched the web! I found this book for sale on multiple sites including the ever so popular amazon.com. Is my co-worker for real, is this book really worth getting? Is it true the president tried pulling this book off the shelves? And is it true that in the middle of the book were many, many laws that were being changed at that time?
Thanks in advanced!
John

You have a guy telling you something, and you accept that unproven? Do you have any idea what you are claiming? The government does not stop books from being sold, or even try... you might try researching these things before you post them, or at least giving some thought to what you are claiming before posting...

So Bill Cooper is dead eh??

I met the guy in person back in 96. in fact he was one of the first speakers I ever heard of exposing the NWO. Not only that, you might say he is one of the guys that was responsible in sending me down this long road of learning conspiracy theories. I lost track of him in 98. Never knew he got on that "grays" kick. Dead now huh!?!? Hmmm, and had a leg missing toboot eh!?!? Hmmmmmm, well almighty then. Guess I should thank my lucky stars I headed for the hills and separated myself from those guys. I heard Mike Macquity is dead now too!! Wonder who's next?? Oh well, no one lives for ever! God rest they're souls!

neverfear

I enjoyed reading the book. It has been about 10 years for me. It was also one of my first exposures to the conspiracy community. It was a little more closeted before the wide exposure of the internet.

My opinion: Read it and keep an open mind. Like Gazrok said, there are some nuggets in there, but you need to sift to find them. The more you study, you find things that corroborate each other and common threads woven. That is when you start to find the underlying patterns and see that maybe there is something to all of this conspiracy stuff after all...