I was told to make people see this:

Well, I personally like the Moon just the way it is, too big or not. It shines just enough to be interesting, but not enough to keep me awake all night long. It pulls the tides enough for some decent surf. And eclipses are also fun and interesting.

Please tell your alien friends not to mess with the Moon. It would make me sad if they were to haul it away, or crash it into the Earth for some unknown reason. That would hert my brane.

vc,

I never asked you to accept one word of what I wrote.

If your gut tells you to go with the Scientist then you should go with the Scientist.

My gut tells me I know what I know so I will go with what I know.

sv,

I like our Moon to.

The Moon isn't going anywhere. Our Moon was in the wrong orbit and the Grey's moved it into the correct orbit and what followed you can see.

Now that I wrote that I have a question for anyone that might be able to answer it:

If our Moon was in the wrong orbit and they had to move it and place it in the correct orbit is it possible that this is what is needed for the other planets in our Solar System? I know there is life within could it be possible that all that is needed for them to come out one day would be for Moons to be placed in the correct orbits????

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Then its no coincidence that the moon is the same size as the moon from earth. I am amazed that the moon eclipses the sun perfectly. Doesn't take much to impress me though, hehe.

Perhaps it would make sense if our solar system was one big engine room of a 'space ship'. And moving planets about is the same as turning dials and pushing buttons, maybe we will go faster!




Just a thought!

There are always more questions then answers aren't there.

What I keep remembering is this:

You try to hard through Science to prove things use logic and common sense, the answers are the simplest the ones you always overlook.

Thank you Observe for your answers and ideas. I'm new to this site and as I'm reading your topic you say that the "Greys" / Elders, created humans if I read correctly. Do you have the knowledge as to why they did? Or how? These questions are more than likely unable to me answered, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask

All respect, Mike

Sorry, unecessarily sharp reply.

This is all harmless enough.

Good luck..



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What do your grays think about NASA sending a nice firecracker to their home?

wZn

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That was my first thought when I avoided that thread...

Yikes, what the heck is going on? We are not even close to being ready to start polluting the rest of our solar System when all we can do is pollute our own without conscience.

Just wondering why you brought this old thread back up after so long?

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I dunno I was drawn here!

btw we can watch a live feed of the LO flyby www.nasa.gov...

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At least he only claims contact with them and doesnt claim he is one. Thats a refreshing change right?

Uh oh. I finished reading. He is a reicarnated one.

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Hi observer.
If the moon, and other planetary satelites are wrong for our solar system planets then can you point out, in the universe that we observe, what a "right moon size' is.

It would seem easier for these "greys" to say: "hey observer50, here is what a proper plantary moon looks like, now compare that to the earth and its moon, observer50 spread this message that if people on earth look at this 'proper moon', then they will see the obvious irregularities of the earths moon and that way people on ATS won't question you, your sanity or accuse you of excessive attention seeking behaviour".

I feel the greys have left you holding the bag with a claim and nothing to back it up with. I feel that this is grossly unfair. Nothing at all except you saying "well they told me to share this". They seem to do that quite alot, to quite alot of people, whom then start quite alot of threads on ATS.


Why do all the physics and current observation remain consistent throughout the entire global community of scientists, physicists, astrophysicists and astronomers regarding the origins of the moon, planetary evolution theory, and that these explanations are consistent with other observations of other planetary moons within our solar system?

Next time they give you this message, I would appreciate it if you could forward my questions.
Thanks.

They do? News to me. - So what do they all agree on where the moon came from? How did the Craft...err I mean "Moon" get there?

So what if that it is news to you. LOL.

Do you know the moon has the same oxygen isotope composition as the earth? Where as Mars rocks and other meteorite samples gathered do not. This supports the general idea that the moon is the result of an impact and that the moon formed from materials in the general neighbourhood of earth, the impactor and the surrounding material resulting from that impact.

This Idea was first formulated in the 60's by Russian scientists and astrophysicists, one of the most significant being V.S. Safronov, who upon observing the many planetesimals postulated the aggregation of these smaller bodies into bigger planets, bigger planets that we also observe. I can't find anyone argueing that the Moon was put there by Aliens or that it is a ship, during this era. There are no messages from greys either during this period either, that I can find.

These Ideas where developed further by Hartmann and Davies, as well as Harvards A. G. W. Cameron and William Ward who took into account angular momentum and size, they released their findings in 1976 at at Lunar Science conferance, I can't find any arguements regarding the ET involvement in the moon's origins being raised at this conferance.
Drake, Thompson, Stevenson, Taylor, Phillips, Canup have further shown the impact and aggregation theory and modeling as standing up to all scrutiny, the ET moon hypothesis or "spaceship" theory cannot do this IMHO.

If you would like to reciever more of this: I suggest looking at Lunar and Planetary Institute
There is a conferance set for next year, I would greatly appreciate it if you would take the OP along with you to challenge the status quo in relation to the origins of the Moon. I think it would make a great thread to report how you went. I am sure your Ideas, as well as the OP's will set the record straight for all and sundry.

Next meeting of the Lunar and Planetary Institute is March-2010
But there is also an excellent meeting this year regarding the formulation of planetary systems.
Interstellar disks to Planetary Systems

I look forward to your thread regarding your attedance at the conferance and presentation of the Moon as a Spaceship or body put there by ET's. I also look forward to you dismissing all current accepted theory, that is also "news to you". That should be a treat to those attending the conferance who have spent a life time studying, researching, conducting experiments in an effort to understand the Moon and Planets.

Lol. Dude, I suspect News of the World is a fundamental source of "news" to you.




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I agree, the moon is doing a great job for supposedly being in the wrong orbit.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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www.lpi.usra.edu... is that affiliated with NASA?

Can you give me the odds of an object the size of our Craft..err Moon ... finding itself 'captured' by our planet - over say our Suns pull?

I'm pretty uneducated, as you can tell - never passed an exam to get into the field of Astronomy...

So you could also say us Earth dwellers know all about the Craft...err Moon (sorry - dunno why I keep doing that!) and that's that? Or would you say there are still a few oddities that can't be explained on our Craft ...Moon (old habits you know) such as "classified" things and the such - I mean you sound like you know it all - I am all for learning something *new*

Taken from George H. Leonard - Somebody Else Is On The Moon, 1976.

"Isaac Asmoviv says there are nine moons in our solar system that have been captured: one of Neptune, one of saturn, and seven of Jupiter. He bases this on what he calls the "tug-of-war" ratio: the attraction of the planet verses the attraction of the sun. This ratio ranges from Miranda, a satellite of Uranus, which has a tug-of-war ratio of 24,600, to the seventh moon of Jupiter, which has a ratio of 1.03. He calls the other satellites "true satellites."
And then he comes to our Moon. It is important to quote him:

It is a shame that one small thing remains unaccounted for; one trifling thing I have ignored so far, but - WHAT IN BLAZES IS OUR MOON DOING WAY OUT THERE? It's too far out to be a true satellite of Earth, if we go by my beautiful chain of reasoning - which is too beautiful for me to abandon. It's too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the Moon then having taken up a nearly circular orbit about the Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible.
There are theories, of course, to the effect that the Moon was once much closer to the Earth (within my permitted limits for a true satellite) and then gradually moved away as a result of tidal action. Well, I have an objection to that. If the moon were a true satellite that originally had circled the Earth at a distance of, say, 20,000 miles, it would almost certainly be orbiting in the plane of Earth's equator and it isn't.
But, then, if the Moon is neither a true satellite of the Earth nor a captured one, what is it?...

he goes on to conclude the tug-of-war ratio for the Moon: 0.46. We would lose the tug of war with the sun. We - Earth - attract the Moon half as strongly as does the Sun.

*Isaac Asmoviv, Asmoviv On Astronomy, Mercury Press, Inc, 1963."


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So Soviet science is the go on this, have you also heard about two other Soviet scientists Mikhail Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov - senior scientists - at the Soviet Academy of Sciences?

From Don Wilson - Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon
"Their theory, which appeared in Sputnik magazine, a Soviet periodical published in English, states that ' the Moon is not a natural satellite of Earth, but a huge, hollowed-out planetoid fashioned by some highly advanced, technologically sophisticated civilization into an artificial "inside out" world which was steered into orbit around the Earth eons ago!'"

Pretty sure if these learned guys would attend those meetings - would the be allowed in todays climate though? Probably be tasered and sent to Gitmo for such outlandish claims eh?

I have more quotes from other books if you like -

"Even Moore himself eludes to the Moon not being what it is in his own "Three times in 1948 I saw the whole area [Graham Crater] 'misty gray and devoid of detail, with the surrounding surface sharp and clear cut."

C. Sagan in modern timers writes that, tens of meters below the surface of the Moon, there might be a layer of organic material. (Gases or mists could conceivably emanate from this layer. Bear in mind that organic matter implies life.)

"And Wilkins and Moore, that team which carried the burden of the Moon for the professional astronomers back when the Moon was a drag, said in their book, The Moon (Faber and Faber, 1960): "It is not impossible that on the Moon there may exist, or have once existed, some form of life peculiar to the Moon and totally unlike anything ever known on Earth." " _ George H Leonard - Somebody Else is on the Moon.

...and OP you never answered my question about NAZA sending explosives to be detonated on their Moon - what will their response be you think?

watchZEITGEISTnow,

I just caught your U2U, I wasn't being rude I didn't know this thread came back to life. I don't really go to all areas of this site.

I will answer your question first and try to explain somethings:

You ask, What I thought about NASA sending explosives to the Moon.

This Planet is monitored 24/7 and they observe everything. If what NASA is going to do is going to do any harm what so ever to them they will stop it. If it will do no harm then they will allow it, that's how it works.

When dealing with these beings it is something you would have to experience to understand. If you have not had an experience there is no way I could probably make you understnad how thngs are.

Spinalremain, I'm sorry if I disappoint you.... I can only say I am just sharing what I have been shown and told in this lifetime and the things I write will either come to fruition or they will not, time is what will tell. I am a female 60 years of age, everything I have written here on ATS since I joined here in 04 is what I know.

You asked about forwarding questions, unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

I do not know why I was asked to make people see that the Planets and Moons are all wrong for one another. I know nothing really about that stuff and I believe they should have given this information to someone that knows or deals in that stuff.

It's like when I was little and I was told to remember, All Diseases can be Cured from the Root's of Plants. I am the worst people when dealing with trees and plants, I know nothing about them, why didn't they give this information to a Botanist.

I remember being told, your try to hard through Science to prove things, use logic and common sense....the answers are the simplest the ones you always overlook.

How can I expect people to understand another specie or species when most are still asking, are ufo's and Alien's real. I will admit as I observe people are starting to move forward now with okay are the ufo's our's or Extraterrestrial. I see people write ufo's but are Extraterrestrial's flying them.

Let's look at things this way. Our Scientist say it would take this long to travel from here to there, so it's impossible. Next they say with Alien technology it would take just this long. Why is it so hard for people to realize that many species are in the deepest of our waters and have been for a very long time. Is it so hard for you to believe (if you believe in Alien's) that they are not only Extraterrestrial but they are just as Terrestrial as you and I.

You should know the ships are air and water ships everything is in the open it just is not believed.

I don't ask anyone to believe all I would like to say is many have been taken and with there being different species here different things happen to the different people.

I know there are those that think this subject is a joke and many hoax and it has made it hard for abductee's/experiencers totalk about this.

Years ago I would back away when insulted or belittled but I will no longer do that because I know what I know and no one is going to tell me I don't.

If anyone wants to believe I am seeking attention I would have to chuckle because I am mostly ignored.

I share what I have been shown and told freely and anyone can take it anyway they want.

Last comment for now......there are many species of life in this wonderful Universe, the human race is known as a hostile and stupid species but they say we have intelligence and this makes for a good study......... they know there is also much good here and so a species worth saving when the time comes and the time is coming.