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reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 01:37 PM by spacevisitor
Originally posted by GhostRaven
Anyways, what ATS needs to know is that, around early August, a 'false flag' operation will occur that will make the ETs/Visitors look like they are attacking America. Do not believe it.


Hi GhostRaven,
If what you say is true, and I have so far no ground to disbelieve you, then I admire your courage to step forward.

As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.
To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.


Source;
www.disclosureproject.org...

And so be it, at the end, Wernher von Braun had it all right.
He said in the 70’s to Dr. Carol Rosin,
“and remember Carol, the last card is the alien card.
We are going to have to build spaced-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie.”

Originally posted by GhostRaven
We cannot allow ourselves to be drawn into a war with an enemy like that.


In the tread “I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials´ I ask Sleeper the following question.

Originally posted by spacevisitor

What do you think of the weaponization of space, what has named, “the ballistic missile defence system”.
And the so cold reasons for that such as: the real threats from earth terrorists and the so cold Nations of Concern. Of is there in reality another sneaky reason for it?
Is the real reason in fact to using them against any extraterrestrial targets?


This was his answer,

Originally posted by sleeper

Our space weapons are strictly for terrestrial purposes, that’s all we are allowed, otherwise we might shoot our eye out---lol---yeah I watched that Christmas movie once where that kid wants a beebee gun---but I don’t remember what it’s called.


Well, what else can we do about it than sit it out?
It is not the first hoax that misleads a whole nation, and therefore the whole world.

There are “people” in this world, who are willing, with a big smile at their faces sacrifice everybody and everything on this Earth for unlimited power and money.

When will we ever learn?


reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 01:52 PM by BuzzingOn
Originally posted by shots
Originally posted by GhostRaven
I am writing these posts from a computer at a library where I have signed in as an anonymous/general public computer user.
.


No Offense but do you think that will protect your identity? No way they have cameras watching you so even if you used a phony name they have you on video.

Also it is not in your best interest to play the cloak and dagger game so soon you really loose a lot of creditability among ATS members, you may fool us for a while but one trip or stumble on your part and they will turn you into instant toast as we do not like hoaxers.

Also no one wants excuses we want information that up to this point there has been little if any with substance.

One thing I haave to admit your golden pen does seem to dazzle somewhat but I am sure that will get old fast if you continue with long posts that say nothing.

[edit on 6/23/2007 by shots]


I have to totally agree with shots here.

I'm no Government employee but I would think that a Government employee would have a few extra bucks to purchase a laptop to use with wireless WiFi capabilities to use at a friends place or at least drive close to a Hotel and tap into their free signal while sitting in their car to post instead of having to drive to library's where you have to show some form of I.D. to someone, sign your name on a clip board, sit in a not so private designated computer area (on a weekend while schools are out and all the library computers are probably all being used by the summer's youth) and log into ATS un-suspiciously trying not to sweat and fit in while your "disclosing" secret info and start a serious thread all the while being most likely filmed on security cameras set up to monitor minors attempting to look up porn or waste printer ink, all seems kind of unwise if any worries of being caught.

If Ive been watching/studying/monitoring/whatever ATS for the last 5 years (espec if being paid) I'm pretty sure that even I would know how [bold]important it is[/bold] to start a new thread with some sort of proof/evidence/photos/films/documents/locations/scans/memos/names something for the love of Mary to back up my (and this nails it) "Golden Pen" posts about upcoming "mass disappearances, bizarre messages and attacks on America by UFOS".

I don't see what the big deal is about Spec Ops being in "costumes" or why thats such a shocker of an idea. I believe most the Eddie Murphy films in the last several years has him made up into several realistic costumes (the Clumps?) so if a Spec Ops troop was killed I don't think anyone will be trying to scratch off his face to see it its real or not IF it looked real .... then again, maybe now that its been brought up they will

It's just my post,
Bzzzzzzz



reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 02:32 PM by GhostRaven
I had not wanted to post multiple times on a single day but, looking at some of the preceding replies, it seems obvious that there are a few things that I have to reply to ASAP. I will also try to address some of the things people have asked in other threads regarding this spate of 'disclosure' threads.

First, I am not trying to be mysterious for the sake of being mysterious. An ATS member asked why I did not just 'lay' everything out all at once instead of letting info out in pieces. Well, to be frank that's exactly what I did. I gave an overview of everything I knew in my first post. In subsequent posts I clarified things or added elements that I thought ATS would find valuable. I have not 'strung' anything out. The reality is just that posts are limited to being 4000 characters long.

The second thing people have complained about is that I'm not responding to them directly... while others have complained that I've been too direct. Seriously, there is no way to make everyone happy. I have tried to write out long, information packed posts but there is no way that I will ever be able to respond exactly as every individual member would wish. I write as much as I can when I have the chance to write. There is no way that I can instantly dod everything you want me to. If you are unhappy with this... just don't read the thread. Go ahead and ignore everything you hear because the message isn't packaged the way you expect it to be. That way you'll be perfectly surprised when things happen that you could have been warned about but chose to ignore. It will be an entertaining August for you.

The third thing people should realize is that the government is not some magical entity that somehow is able to tap into every camera system in the world. Sorry, but they do not have a direct 'feed' into the security camera of every library, internet cafe, and office in the world. That is not how the government tracks its people anyways. Heck, there is no such thing as a monolithic government to begin with. There are different governments that have their own resources. There are also no -- or very few -- 'MIB' types who can magically control everyone around them. Most government employees are people just like you. Like I said before, I am not even trying to hide my activities from the people who could identify me. They WANT me to get this material out. I have hidden myself from people who would have a harder time finding me. To be honest, my main reasons for hiding my identity have to do with my pension. Like I said in one of my first posts... I AM worried about my family, but its more likely that I would have to be worried about my ASSETS if I was found out. Why don't you think more airline pilots don't come forward with their sightings? Because 'pension' is a word that equals 'financial security in old age'.

Fourthly... yes, I know that numerous 'disclosure' threads have suddenly popped up on ATS. Have you guys ever stopped to wonder if the best way to discredit real information is to swamp it with all sorts of bogus info? Some of you guys are convinced that you know everything about how the government works... but you can't manage to think of alternate scenarios/things beyond what you already think you know. Seriously, some of you guys sound like the Star Trek fans who write angry letters to Paramount whenever they feel the writers on the show got something 'wrong'.

Otherwise, you guys can feel free to react however you want to. I am never going to post a picture of me having lunch with my boss. I am not going to tell you where I like to play golf. I am not going to mail the mods a chunk of space ship parts. That is not going to happen. What I am giving you is 'food for thought' that I highly suggest you really, really think about.

OK, I'm almost out of room here. I will post replies to specific questions in a second post. BTW, I may not be able to post for a few days after this session.


reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 02:54 PM by redmage
In our resident debunkers’ fervor to be the first to claim “hoax”; there seems to be a serious lack of critical thinking going on. Things like; attacking a random typo, made by GR (while making 15 grammatical errors, and a misspelling of his/her own, in response) really tend to make me chuckle. Who says that a person trained in, what is likely, Sociology has to be perfect when it comes to spelling, or that they’re not allowed to occasionally hit two adjacent keys by accident. If GR had majored in English Lit.; the argument might have a leg to stand on, but these are merely facetious attacks otherwise. Bringing up issues like a typo is desperate at best.

As to the debate over the “alien suits”; I think a more valid comparison would be… Could a chimp wear an orangutan suit, and vice versa. Sure, there would be subtle morphological differences, but wasn’t GR’s point that his job entailed training certain people to recognize “differences”? In regards to random people “pulling off the masks”; if the government issued strict quarantine orders (for anyone who had close contact with a “corpse”); how would these people ever reveal their discovered knowledge? Regardless, I would think that these “false flag black ops” would have orders to “leave no one behind”. Also, I highly doubt that they would be dropped into situations where they would be outgunned, or dropped into situations where they’d be considered “technologically inferior”.

To those who think GR’s “cover” is “as good as blown” (through the trail of info he’s already left); you’re fairly “on track”; however, the first step would be to trace the IP back to the “library” that the post originated from, then check the recorded video footage, or other library records, & cross reference those with their possible list of “suspects”. With no “proof” to back up GR’s claims; why would any "government agency" even remotely corroborate GR’s claims by taking the action of requesting the IP from ATS?

Understand, I’m certainly not saying that GR is telling the truth (I think his claims are possible, but not very probable); however, he isn’t the first to claim that the MIC would turn to an “extraterrestrial threat” to maintain control/influence over the masses. Many people have held the belief that once the “war on terror” started to lose popular appeal; the MIC would turn its attention to the stars.

[edit on 6/23/07 by redmage]


reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 02:54 PM by GhostRaven
Ok,

In this post I will try to respond to some of the points people have brought up. I'm sorry if I can't remember everyone's name.

I am actually genuinely happy that members are skeptical. After all, the main thing I want you guys to all remember is that you have to evaluate information for yourself because people are ALWAYS trying to get you to do things against your best interest by way of lying to you. They may not harm you or spy on you... but they will tell you things that will cause you to do what they will. Think for yourself. If you have concluded that this information is BS stop reading the thread and go back to debating the existence of shape-shifting royal lizards or new age junk. Or... try to write thread about UFO sightings. Someone pointed out that there have been some interesting sightings this week. Good... follow up on that. I don't want you to just read this thread. I want you to think about the implications of what I am saying in the larger context of the UFO issue.

I am, however, genuinely dismayed when people 'debunk' something with logic that isn't really tight. For instance, I understand that the notion of soldiers in Visitor costumes might seem 'impossible' at first and I also agree that no one species could possibly imitate another in an extremely accurate way... but have you guys ever thought about a costume at night? At a distance? During a rigged scenario? Right away people assumed that I was talking about a scenario where some guy named Sgt. Bill walked into Peoria and claimed that he was 'Xenu from Zeta Reticuli' or something like that. Well, I wasn't. How hard would it be for a Special Ops soldier to put on a basic suit and convince motorists that they had seen a Visitor while driving down the highway at 3am? How hard would it be to then stage an 'incident' with a few select, ex-military state troopers that might involve some sort of violence that the motorists would not see because all of the action occured behind a hill, in the woods, etc?

That sort of drama is not going to be the norm, though. What you will see is a lot of EM stuff that will eventually be passed off as an attack. Why the EM stuff? Here's something you didn't know: The Orson Welles 'War of the Worlds' broadcast coincided with a massive blackout in New Jersey. The reason so many people panicked was because they connected the blackout to the story on the radio. Sure, the panic was not as big as the press reported it as being, but it still served as the main example the government used while planning all this Visitor stuff. Again, think about perception and public behavior.

As for the combat itself, the military thinks they can have some success. This is the hardest thing to explain. They DO NOT think they can have something like a total victory. What they are anticipating is a scenario where, for every twenty planes we lose, we shoot down one UFO. This is ok with them. They are not anticipating a true invasion. They expect to run a never-ending skirmish against the Visitors. Is this logical? It is to people who would fight a war based on the principle that any UFO should be shot down no matter the consequences. It's logical to defense contractors. It's logical to people who, like some chieftan on the beach who throws spears at passing sailing ships, know that they can gain power by living in a state of war against the terrifying 'other'.

My worry is that, at a certain point, the Visitors will get tired of these games and teach us a lesson. I am sure that this operation will backfire on us all.

Other issues: The ship I saw was bell-shaped. It may or may not have been the Kecksburg craft. I personally believe that Kecksburg occured but don't want people who don't believe me to stop believing in Kecksburg. They may or may not be related events. as for the facility I visited, it was a civilian site. Like I said before, it was being operated by academic and business types


reply posted on 23-6-2007 @ 03:16 PM by Equinox99
I don't know if this was brought up or not,
I didn't have 2 hours to read 7 pages. So if you made this
point please forgive me.

This would be a great time to bring in the blue beam project.
For those of you who don't know anything about the blue beam project.

www.geocities.com...

"It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have the potential for changing the planet into oneness with God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow become God in human form and control other Men and dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating satellites (star wars). These projectors will project simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW WORLD ORDER."

100777.com...

"Note: Serge Monast and another journalist, both of whom were researching Project Blue Beam, died of "heart attacks" within weeks of each other although neither had a history of heart disease.
Serge was in Canada. The other Canadian journalist was visiting Ireland. Prior to his death, the Canadian government abducted Serge's daughter in an attempt to dissuade him from pursuing his research into Project Blue Beam. His daughter was never returned.
Pseudo-heart attacks are one of the alleged methods of death induced by Project Blue "

I can't see why the government wouldn't use this now.
But I guess we must wait and see.
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