Originally posted by seenitall
All libraries and learning institutions I have been to have their computer banks/labs covered with video at all times.

Then you haven't seen them all. Public library computers, in particular, are rarely subject to video surveillance. they are out in the open, not hidden away, but there are no cameras. I've set these up myself.

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by GhostRaven
I am writing these posts from a computer at a library where I have signed in as an anonymous/general public computer user.
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No Offense but do you think that will protect your identity? No way they have cameras watching you so even if you used a phony name they have you on video.

Also it is not in your best interest to play the cloak and dagger game so soon you really loose a lot of creditability among ATS members, you may fool us for a while but one trip or stumble on your part and they will turn you into instant toast as we do not like hoaxers.

Also no one wants excuses we want information that up to this point there has been little if any with substance.

One thing I haave to admit your golden pen does seem to dazzle somewhat but I am sure that will get old fast if you continue with long posts that say nothing.

[edit on 6/23/2007 by shots]

I have to totally agree with shots here.

I'm no Government employee but I would think that a Government employee would have a few extra bucks to purchase a laptop to use with wireless WiFi capabilities to use at a friends place or at least drive close to a Hotel and tap into their free signal while sitting in their car to post instead of having to drive to library's where you have to show some form of I.D. to someone, sign your name on a clip board, sit in a not so private designated computer area (on a weekend while schools are out and all the library computers are probably all being used by the summer's youth) and log into ATS un-suspiciously trying not to sweat and fit in while your "disclosing" secret info and start a serious thread all the while being most likely filmed on security cameras set up to monitor minors attempting to look up porn or waste printer ink, all seems kind of unwise if any worries of being caught.

If Ive been watching/studying/monitoring/whatever ATS for the last 5 years (espec if being paid) I'm pretty sure that even I would know how [bold]important it is[/bold] to start a new thread with some sort of proof/evidence/photos/films/documents/locations/scans/memos/names something for the love of Mary to back up my (and this nails it) "Golden Pen" posts about upcoming "mass disappearances, bizarre messages and attacks on America by UFOS".

I don't see what the big deal is about Spec Ops being in "costumes" or why thats such a shocker of an idea. I believe most the Eddie Murphy films in the last several years has him made up into several realistic costumes (the Clumps?) so if a Spec Ops troop was killed I don't think anyone will be trying to scratch off his face to see it its real or not IF it looked real .... then again, maybe now that its been brought up they will

It's just my post,
Bzzzzzzz

GhostRaven,

You described the "real" UFO's (those controlled by real aliens) as being bell-shaped. This matches descriptions of an alleged crashed UFO in Kecksburg, Pennsilyvania in December of 1965. Are the documents and photos you claimed to have seen related to this crash? Others have also claimed the existence of these bell-shaped craft. There have also been rumors of the "Nazi Bell" anti-gravity craft that match the description.

Originally posted by seenitall

Can anyone at all address the costume issue?

Who cares about the freakin costumes maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!!!!

Prob why no one is talking on the subject its not worth the time. Your smart right figure it out.

ok went back and found several times where fellow ATSers gave you a plausible explanations for the costume issue. if hollywood can do then why not the Government.

In Independence Day Hollywood prop people had the Greys in a mechanical bio suit which was much bigger in height than any human. If the government was at all as smart as they should be, then they would play to what the public percieves as plausible.





[edit on 23-6-2007 by geemony]

Or, on the other hand, even if the OP believes it to be true, he may have been intentionally disinformed. From what I understand, one of the purposes of disinformation is to trace possible sources of leaks. To find out who is likely to spill the beans about real Secret stuff.

And if it turns out to be true, then at least we'll have a good excuse to bail out of Iraq.

Wow, this is amazing.
I will be glued to this all night.
Just have to wait and see!

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Or, on the other hand, even if the OP believes it to be true, he may have been intentionally disinformed. From what I understand, one of the purposes of disinformation is to trace possible sources of leaks. To find out who is likely to spill the beans about real Secret stuff.

And if it turns out to be true, then at least we'll have a good excuse to bail out of Iraq.

Here, Here this is absolutely possible. This guy may be getting set up or he could be just jerking ATS around both are very possible. Not only does the Government use this tactic to weed out the less then trustworthy, corporations do this as well with company secrets and proprietary information. Its called finding the mole and it can be fun to if you’re the one providing the disinfo.... But ill reserve a decision until later on the Raven Report............


[edit on 23-6-2007 by geemony]

this would make a great plot to a xfiles movie or something... at least the OP has a great imagination, got to give him that.

I had not wanted to post multiple times on a single day but, looking at some of the preceding replies, it seems obvious that there are a few things that I have to reply to ASAP. I will also try to address some of the things people have asked in other threads regarding this spate of 'disclosure' threads.

First, I am not trying to be mysterious for the sake of being mysterious. An ATS member asked why I did not just 'lay' everything out all at once instead of letting info out in pieces. Well, to be frank that's exactly what I did. I gave an overview of everything I knew in my first post. In subsequent posts I clarified things or added elements that I thought ATS would find valuable. I have not 'strung' anything out. The reality is just that posts are limited to being 4000 characters long.

The second thing people have complained about is that I'm not responding to them directly... while others have complained that I've been too direct. Seriously, there is no way to make everyone happy. I have tried to write out long, information packed posts but there is no way that I will ever be able to respond exactly as every individual member would wish. I write as much as I can when I have the chance to write. There is no way that I can instantly dod everything you want me to. If you are unhappy with this... just don't read the thread. Go ahead and ignore everything you hear because the message isn't packaged the way you expect it to be. That way you'll be perfectly surprised when things happen that you could have been warned about but chose to ignore. It will be an entertaining August for you.

The third thing people should realize is that the government is not some magical entity that somehow is able to tap into every camera system in the world. Sorry, but they do not have a direct 'feed' into the security camera of every library, internet cafe, and office in the world. That is not how the government tracks its people anyways. Heck, there is no such thing as a monolithic government to begin with. There are different governments that have their own resources. There are also no -- or very few -- 'MIB' types who can magically control everyone around them. Most government employees are people just like you. Like I said before, I am not even trying to hide my activities from the people who could identify me. They WANT me to get this material out. I have hidden myself from people who would have a harder time finding me. To be honest, my main reasons for hiding my identity have to do with my pension. Like I said in one of my first posts... I AM worried about my family, but its more likely that I would have to be worried about my ASSETS if I was found out. Why don't you think more airline pilots don't come forward with their sightings? Because 'pension' is a word that equals 'financial security in old age'.

Fourthly... yes, I know that numerous 'disclosure' threads have suddenly popped up on ATS. Have you guys ever stopped to wonder if the best way to discredit real information is to swamp it with all sorts of bogus info? Some of you guys are convinced that you know everything about how the government works... but you can't manage to think of alternate scenarios/things beyond what you already think you know. Seriously, some of you guys sound like the Star Trek fans who write angry letters to Paramount whenever they feel the writers on the show got something 'wrong'.

Otherwise, you guys can feel free to react however you want to. I am never going to post a picture of me having lunch with my boss. I am not going to tell you where I like to play golf. I am not going to mail the mods a chunk of space ship parts. That is not going to happen. What I am giving you is 'food for thought' that I highly suggest you really, really think about.

OK, I'm almost out of room here. I will post replies to specific questions in a second post. BTW, I may not be able to post for a few days after this session.

I smell bull# lol..
Great posts btw @ Lexion

Where is the 'way above' button? Where it used to be there is now only
'ignore this user'????

As someone who has access to almost all types of operational issues on the state level I can tell you that nothing has been passed on to my department.

My colleagues and I would be activated immediatley upon something like this being divulged as we would be required to calm the public and make sure everybody doesnt kill each other.

Yet no directives

Nothing over secure teletypes

No orders from FBI, CIA, NSA, HLS

No clandestine meetings

And if myself or my colleagues see Special Op aliens in disguise, we are shooting first and asking questions later.

On a more serious note: This guys story has more holes than a soup strainer and I hope the aliens visit his house first....with a very large probe

In our resident debunkers’ fervor to be the first to claim “hoax”; there seems to be a serious lack of critical thinking going on. Things like; attacking a random typo, made by GR (while making 15 grammatical errors, and a misspelling of his/her own, in response) really tend to make me chuckle. Who says that a person trained in, what is likely, Sociology has to be perfect when it comes to spelling, or that they’re not allowed to occasionally hit two adjacent keys by accident. If GR had majored in English Lit.; the argument might have a leg to stand on, but these are merely facetious attacks otherwise. Bringing up issues like a typo is desperate at best.

As to the debate over the “alien suits”; I think a more valid comparison would be… Could a chimp wear an orangutan suit, and vice versa. Sure, there would be subtle morphological differences, but wasn’t GR’s point that his job entailed training certain people to recognize “differences”? In regards to random people “pulling off the masks”; if the government issued strict quarantine orders (for anyone who had close contact with a “corpse”); how would these people ever reveal their discovered knowledge? Regardless, I would think that these “false flag black ops” would have orders to “leave no one behind”. Also, I highly doubt that they would be dropped into situations where they would be outgunned, or dropped into situations where they’d be considered “technologically inferior”.

To those who think GR’s “cover” is “as good as blown” (through the trail of info he’s already left); you’re fairly “on track”; however, the first step would be to trace the IP back to the “library” that the post originated from, then check the recorded video footage, or other library records, & cross reference those with their possible list of “suspects”. With no “proof” to back up GR’s claims; why would any "government agency" even remotely corroborate GR’s claims by taking the action of requesting the IP from ATS?

Understand, I’m certainly not saying that GR is telling the truth (I think his claims are possible, but not very probable); however, he isn’t the first to claim that the MIC would turn to an “extraterrestrial threat” to maintain control/influence over the masses. Many people have held the belief that once the “war on terror” started to lose popular appeal; the MIC would turn its attention to the stars.

[edit on 6/23/07 by redmage]

Ok,

In this post I will try to respond to some of the points people have brought up. I'm sorry if I can't remember everyone's name.

I am actually genuinely happy that members are skeptical. After all, the main thing I want you guys to all remember is that you have to evaluate information for yourself because people are ALWAYS trying to get you to do things against your best interest by way of lying to you. They may not harm you or spy on you... but they will tell you things that will cause you to do what they will. Think for yourself. If you have concluded that this information is BS stop reading the thread and go back to debating the existence of shape-shifting royal lizards or new age junk. Or... try to write thread about UFO sightings. Someone pointed out that there have been some interesting sightings this week. Good... follow up on that. I don't want you to just read this thread. I want you to think about the implications of what I am saying in the larger context of the UFO issue.

I am, however, genuinely dismayed when people 'debunk' something with logic that isn't really tight. For instance, I understand that the notion of soldiers in Visitor costumes might seem 'impossible' at first and I also agree that no one species could possibly imitate another in an extremely accurate way... but have you guys ever thought about a costume at night? At a distance? During a rigged scenario? Right away people assumed that I was talking about a scenario where some guy named Sgt. Bill walked into Peoria and claimed that he was 'Xenu from Zeta Reticuli' or something like that. Well, I wasn't. How hard would it be for a Special Ops soldier to put on a basic suit and convince motorists that they had seen a Visitor while driving down the highway at 3am? How hard would it be to then stage an 'incident' with a few select, ex-military state troopers that might involve some sort of violence that the motorists would not see because all of the action occured behind a hill, in the woods, etc?

That sort of drama is not going to be the norm, though. What you will see is a lot of EM stuff that will eventually be passed off as an attack. Why the EM stuff? Here's something you didn't know: The Orson Welles 'War of the Worlds' broadcast coincided with a massive blackout in New Jersey. The reason so many people panicked was because they connected the blackout to the story on the radio. Sure, the panic was not as big as the press reported it as being, but it still served as the main example the government used while planning all this Visitor stuff. Again, think about perception and public behavior.

As for the combat itself, the military thinks they can have some success. This is the hardest thing to explain. They DO NOT think they can have something like a total victory. What they are anticipating is a scenario where, for every twenty planes we lose, we shoot down one UFO. This is ok with them. They are not anticipating a true invasion. They expect to run a never-ending skirmish against the Visitors. Is this logical? It is to people who would fight a war based on the principle that any UFO should be shot down no matter the consequences. It's logical to defense contractors. It's logical to people who, like some chieftan on the beach who throws spears at passing sailing ships, know that they can gain power by living in a state of war against the terrifying 'other'.

My worry is that, at a certain point, the Visitors will get tired of these games and teach us a lesson. I am sure that this operation will backfire on us all.

Other issues: The ship I saw was bell-shaped. It may or may not have been the Kecksburg craft. I personally believe that Kecksburg occured but don't want people who don't believe me to stop believing in Kecksburg. They may or may not be related events. as for the facility I visited, it was a civilian site. Like I said before, it was being operated by academic and business types

What you don't realize is that the Terrorism Cow is still full of milk. We need to milk it for a couple more years or until the new administration begins. We don't have time to go milk the Independence Day Cow. The OP gives so much filler and no content.

Let August pass and all you'll experience is heat and humidity waiting for Marvin the Martian to come down from his spaceship (The Day the Earth Stood Still) style. Aliens are going to be provoked to start a war with simple earthlings. Human civilizations so powerful that they can be crippled with mere EMP bombs.

You need to ask yourself why would the military want to start crap with advanced lifeforms. Is it to start the new "War on Space" strategy or is it to play mind games with employees that are snitches. So if all these attacks become reality, what is the endgame? Will these scientist aliens only attack the US or humans as a whole? Will the nations join together as a whole to stop these bad meany aliens or will we all fall down? We'll all know the answer by 9/1/07 or before.

Ran out of space above...

I'm glad that SwatMedic has stated that he has recieved no alerts. Think about it: If the government was going to use a ruse to start a war would they alert EVERY member of state/local government? No. They would alert only the handfull who would be involved in specific events. Same goes for the military. Like I have said before, my main job is to study and anticipate the reactions people in individual areas will have to this sort of thing. In other words, I have to ask questions like, "Would a Visitor event cause a larger panic in northern Alabama or industrialized Michigan?" When I have my answers I then work with others to plan the event with local officials who have already been pre-selected by someone else. I am not the actual planner per se but I am involved in the process because they need my feedback.

As for proving myself... again, late July/early August are not that far away. When weird things start to happen in the media you will know I was telling the truth.

There is something else you should know. I once had an affair with a subordinate. This is one of the things that would come out if I was found by certain people. In fact, I believe it's why I was moved to this project. Why? Because it's something other people have on me.

I believe that answers most of the questions people have. I will not be able to write again for a few days.

This is my very first post here, and I hope I can join this group and make some sense. I'm a little nervous, as everybody on here seems either to have a very good secretary that word their words evry well, or you are all very intelligent people.

I am an avid science fiction fan, and from an early age hasnt it been the case that Americe (i'm british/welsh by the way) always saves the wrold from all enemys from outer space.

So as we near the new world order, and as the people's opinion of America from outside the US at the moment is a little bit sceptical, wouldnt it be just the tonic before a new world government is formed that America does save the day and hey presto every country in the wrold owes America one, and by god will America take it.

So this can go either way, either it is true, and if they are aggressive we are very grateful to America, or its a massive scam and america get away with it and again they come out as the saviours and become the new world government.

Applause to you GR for stepping forward. I would like to know more. I belive most of the events that happen prepare us for the worst kinda like baby steps to walking. The suits you speak of make perfect sense to me. Lets have some close encounters of the third kind hit the media and public reaction will be increased in believing in UFOs without a mass panic like Wells created. New agencies will emerge, money everywhere for "what the heck is happening thing".

911 was very convincing to say the least. Not bought by ATS members but most of the world for sure. Is this part of the NWO or is it a prelude to the real deal to come later?

Please Advise.

please oh please let this be true i want to see some alien battles! real or not