American Paranoia

I think alot of Americans fell that something "just isn't right" compared to say, 1950's USA. This manifests as a generalized subconscious distrust and inevitably paranoia to some extent.

Look at the moral decay and vulgarity glorified today in the media and pop-culture in the US. Native US citizens are being cast aside in favor of cheap illegal or legal immigrant labor. We've lost faith in our elected representatives and are starting to see the trend toward facism in the "free market" corporate sector as it aligns ever tightly with the political body. Most aren't aware enough or informed to know where to point the accusatory finger, so we become suspicious and paranoid as a result of complacency, apathy, and ignorance. Add to that mix 911 and the boogieman of "lack of security" and it's no wonder most of America is so confused and freaked out imo.

We've lost our way and can see the storm on the horizon, it's only a matter of time now until all these forces come to a head and America either collapses or turns into a military state. I'm saddened and ashamed to bequeath this mess to my son.

(steps off soap-box).

Originally posted by nescafe8572

Ofcourse America has some very fine places,food etc etc etc.

Yep and alot of different cultures too.

I have a life. I life of freedom and liberty and you?

No you don`t, your scared to move around the world, your self proclaimed POLICING has resulted in your freedom being removed.

I am happy with my life , no need to move around the world. Plenty too see and enjoy here.

Not garbage .. If we do not intervine and stop injustice , then who will?

Batman and Spiderman

And you forgot Superman.


Its not Americans position in life to police the world, when the IRA were attacking London the British didn`t start a war with Libiya who trained them.America can police there country the rest of the world isn`t your business.

Ok, I wish it where that easy. But what are you going to do about others who want you dead and live that life they want you to live. Hmm .

Will you just let the garbage pile up?

You think Iraq will every be free.How stupid are you, if your gonna clean the Garbage at least learn how too before trying.

Iraq ia not a war allot of Americans wanted to be involved in. Sudam was doing quite nicely the policing. But he also was killing inoscent people who just wanted to live there own life. You see we do agree to disagree. You would rather let his people die a unfulled life, like yours I guess now. Otherwise you would just do what you have to do , like your laundry or your food shopping.

Or are you too deep to see around yours?

Well I do live in a country where our youths are trying to become as tough as the gangs in LA.We have people copying all the garbage that is American, there are drive by shotting,colours etc etc etc.

That is a problem we as Americans have to be involved in. But I ask you is the life so bad where you live that your youth do these things?.


So i suggest you clean your country and when its extremly clean and tidy then you can come and simple inform us how too so we might if we want too follow your example.

We do not want you to live like us , we just want you to be free to make your own decissions regarding yourself.

If you enter somebodies house be pollite and don`t enforce your rules and opinions, we really don`t like strangers telling us what to do in our houses.

I am sorry that I have offened you. I am answering why Americans feel like we are conspiracy nuts. But I guess I have hit a nerve regarding your own country. Look within yourself. Do you like what your country has become. I know I love my country. Withh all of its faults and problems its still the best out there to live and enjoy. Why go to another country , unless you want to see how your ancestors lived or enjoy taking in sights that we can not otherwise see here. You sound like your a travel agent trying to get me to see your country.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

Originally posted by nescafe8572
......Unless ofcourse your planning to got to the Middle East and any other country where you`ve killed women and children.
[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

Don't forget to include Britian, South Korea, Italy, Poland, Australia, Georgia, Romania, Japan, Denmark, and El Salvador in that bone-headed comment of yours. Not just the US doing all that killing.

Originally posted by Stale Cracker
Native US citizens are being cast aside in favor of cheap illegal or legal immigrant labor.

The Natives were all killed off hundred of years ago.America wouldn`t excist if it wasn`t for Immigration.

We've lost faith in our elected representatives

Regan,Clinton and there the goods ones, don`t mention Watergate.you`ve never been able to elect people.it`s as if you confused yourselves and you vote for the worst.

and it's no wonder most of America is so confused and freaked out

Americans freak out over everything, example UFOs who started them.

I'm saddened and ashamed to bequeath this mess to my son.

Yup your country is gonna need to change radically.Hopeful you will one day realise.I doubt it though, you can`t be bothered with Global warming issues and crime is getting out of control.

Best thing probably is to nuke yourselves, then in a couple hundred years us Europeans will again return and try a different way than before.

(steps off soap-box).

[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

Nice try with the flame bait, I'm not biting. I've said what I have to say.

bye-bye.



edit cause it wasn't worth it.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

Originally posted by nescafe8572
The Natives were all killed off hundred of years ago.

*Checks pulse* ...Yep, I'm still alive. I've got enough Cherokee to start my own casino in my back yard so I didn't buy into that line. These absolute stances never really pan out to be true. You have to be logical and not use extremism to make a point.

Speaking of paranoia, people are just afraid of the unknown. They want to be assured that the immigrants aren't trying to "take over". Plus they want them to be nice civil individuals.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by dbates]

Originally posted by Stale Cracker
Nice try with the flame bait, I'm not biting. I've said what I have to say.

bye-bye.



edit cause it wasn't worth it.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

Sorry wasn`t trying to flame bait.I`m British and I live in two different countries in Europe, never had a problem with my countries political decisions,WHY? because nobody cares.

I`m trying to say stop worring and get on with living, have fun.

i`m sincerely sorry if I come across aggressive, I like hard, intelligent debate, and I can still shake hands and be friendly after.

BYE

[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

Hmmm...a lot of Europeans wonder why Americans "freak out" so much or seem to exaggerate a lot...in almost anything, except dressing well, lol...
No, sorry, j/k. =)

I don't know, but does anyone think that it has to do with the typical American trait (which in my eyes is a positive) of trying to always better yourself, to move on to something better - within yourself and without?

I'm not American, but to be fair, I'm don't think they are that bad, they just grew up with a different mindset, and priorities..maybe the very foundations of the country have something to do with it...being an immigrant country, it could have fostered a deep basic insecurity. It's a country of immigrants, not peopled with people that are as rooted in their country as trees with soil - every American grew up knowing that the land rightfully belonged to Native Americans, the Europeans took it away, etc.

It's not the same mentality as with Europeans or the rest of the world, that could probably follow their roots back to the Neanderthals, within a same location..this country was not given, it was seized. You can't live securely in a house you stole from someone else, and shot them for it - you'll be paranoid, and in time paranoid about everything.

Something is in their collective unconscious maybe - a guilt that Europeans don't feel, as Europeans know they rightfully belong (or grew up believing so) to their land - the whole Blut and Boden thing...

As well, most immigrants move to America for a better life. A better life is usually, and after enough time with other immigrants in the States, associated with more money. Bigger houses, newer cars, fake boobs - you know the drill. Their main priority is not a common heritage, common language or traditions..not a common collective of shared same beliefs. They already had that/have that back home. It's everyone for themselves, better you than me, I don't care because you don't pay my bills, I'm only here to make money
and leave mentality.

This goes for immigrants then and now, but it's the immigrants of then that raised the children of now...with no 'real' roots. Even the mid-westerners who have been here for generations have no sound healthy roots - in their collective unconscious they probably still have images of the Natives war for their turf.

I dunno, just my quick thoughts...

I'm saddened and ashamed to bequeath this mess to my son.

Yup your country is gonna need to change radically.Hopeful you will one day realise.I doubt it though, you can`t be bothered with Global warming issues and crime is getting out of control.

Best thing probably is to nuke yourselves, then in a couple hundred years us Europeans will again return and try a different way than before.

(steps off soap-box).

[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

I am sorry nescafe8572. Please come and visit sometime. Lots to see. By the way, global warming is now called climate change. As in the climate is changing not due to green house gasses , but by natural causes. But again that is another post somewhere here. So its you Europeans who want us out of the picture, hmm , who would have thought of that. You my global european need to understand that we Americans are all different. Some like to travel, some like to stay around where they grew up, some just want to be. You on the other hand are saying you want us to blow up so you can dominate the world?. (kicks that soap box from under your feet) Now I ask you , who would not be leary of some country like yours who wants to conspire against us?

Originally posted by zman


I am sorry nescafe8572. Please come and visit sometime.

I have thanks

Lots to see. By the way,

I know.

global warming is now called climate change.

In UK it`s global warming.

As in the climate is changing not due to green house gasses , but by natural causes.

Nope due to mans pollution, you really need to study more.

So its you Europeans who want us out of the picture, hmm

Only my opinion, French,Norwegian etc etc etc may like you.you`d have to ask them.

You my global european need to understand that we Americans are all different.

We`ve noticed.

global warming is now called climate change.

In UK it`s global warming.

As in the climate is changing not due to green house gasses , but by natural causes.

Nope due to mans pollution, you really need to study more.

I have studied alot about the suns solar flares and past historical weather patterns. Also it has alot to do with our galacitc posistioning and a host of other factors you apparently have not read about. But I can see from your post that you think you are right about this and that and there is no changing your euopeans hardheadedness. Read, explore, expand your thought process instead of taking what others say as fact. Or has your country shut down the library around you.

So its you Europeans who want us out of the picture, hmm

Only my opinion, French,Norwegian etc etc etc may like you.you`d have to ask them.

Wow you really want to take over the world. Here its not ours , but go for it.
Now back to the orginal post, I ask you who why Americans feel paranoid? . From the post of what Mr. talks for all europeans says , whould you not be paranoid?.

Originally posted by zman


I have studied alot about the suns solar flares and past historical weather patterns. Also it has alot to do with our galacitc posistioning and a host of other factors you apparently have not read about. But I can see from your post that you think you are right about this and that and there is no changing your euopeans hardheadedness. Read, explore, expand your thought process instead of taking what others say as fact. Or has your country shut down the library around you.

I`ll do that can you do me a favour and learn how to use the quote function correctly please.

Originally posted by nescafe8572



Only my opinion, French,Norwegian etc etc etc may like you.you`d have to ask them.

originally posted by zman
From the post of what Mr. talks for all europeans says , whould you not be paranoid?.

As you should be aware I`ve wrote "Only my opinion" and "you`d have to ask them"

i should study less complicated things than global warming/climate change such as reading and understanding before you break into the hard stuff and lecture adults.

Just a thought again, that comparing growing up in Germany to growing up in North America, I would say that Europeans stress the importance of a group, of society, and the individuals place within that way more than in North America. Social awareness is very important there (but I never experienced the peer pressure there I've seen here). Here they stress the importance of the individual, period.

I've also heard many immigrants describe North America as a 'cold' place to live, >>in general

I was born in America and I would have to agree with Vinadetta. I sometimes can't believe people are so easily brainwashed. It is shocking to me. People are paranoid but sometimes they have reason to be. I just don't believe its just americans I think its everyone

we can't have the Americans sitting back, relazing, and thinking abou ttheir society now can we? the americans must be kept under an umbrella of fear and tension. it's just control tactics. it's away for those who are in power to remain in power. it's by distracting the american society for the source of it all.

Originally posted by nescafe8572

Originally posted by nescafe8572



Only my opinion, French,Norwegian etc etc etc may like you.you`d have to ask them.

originally posted by zman
From the post of what Mr. talks for all europeans says , whould you not be paranoid?.

As you should be aware I`ve wrote "Only my opinion" and "you`d have to ask them"

You should study less complicated things than global warming/climate change such as reading and understanding before you break into the hard stuff and lecture adults.


[edit on 23-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

Originally posted by Valorian
After much time on this site I have come to a conclusion that most Americans are extremely paranoid about one thing or another. Be it politics, mediacl issues, your children, your spouses and $$$$.

I would like to know why??? this is so ingrained into a 1st world society.
Is it taught by parents, genetic

or is it just a an out of control society on the verge of collapse that is doing this?

I don't mean any disrespect but am interested to know the answer/s

Valorian

My first question would be, if you don't believe in any of the topics discussed in these forums, why are you here?

If you think Americans are paranoid, maybe you need to live for a few years in a Communist country, then you will see what true paranoia is.

I see some members in here claim that the United States has always needed to have an enemy. Well the thing is that all of you are forgetting that you need two, or more factions for conflicts.

The United States of America WAS a good nation until a president was elected that fully wants to convert this nation in another National Socialist country, or worse.

If any of you had been born, and experienced life in a Communist country you would understand that Communists see Capitalists, and the United States of America as their enemy, hence of course the U.S. has enemies, not only Communists, but Islamic terrorists, which sorry to say were not made by the U.S.

I see that Europeans, and people from other countries try to blame everything on the U.S., yet these same people are ignorant to what has been happening in the world, and the lessons that history could teach them.

In Communist countries, people are indoctrinated since they are children to hate Capitalism, and to hate the U.S., however, over the years many people in such Communist countries have seen the lies that the Socialist/Communist regime has been indoctrinated into them, and stop hating Capitalism, and the U.S., and more so when they used to see, or hear stories from their families abroad.

About violence...please...stop with the BS that Americans are violent.

Let's give movies, and cartoons as examples, from around the world...

Australians made Mad Max in 1979, and other similar movies...

The Japanese make violent anime cartoons, and so do the Chinese and the chinese cartoons try to indoctrinate the Communist party line in their cartoons, and i still can't believe brainwashed people around the world swallow the political BS of the Chinese cartoons.

Now you have Manga cartoons being shown in the U.S., and anyone familiar with the Communist propaganda can see what these cartoons really are, yet many Americans seem to swallow this propaganda, otherwise it wouldn't be shown.

Then you have the violent Korean movies, etc.

Almost every country in the world makes these violent movies, cartoons, and even games.

Should we also talk about the violence in European countries because of stupid soccer games? Where people are killed, thrown over the balconies of soccer stadiums because those other people cheer for another team?...

What about the wave of suicides in Japan, which has one of the highest, if not the highest rates of suicide?

Of course it is easy for people living in other countries trying to blame everything on Americans, but you better look in the mirror, and ask yourself if your own people are not violent in many ways.

Should we talk about the millions of people killed by Islamic Extremists over the decades, or the other millions being displaced around the world because of Islamic extremismts, or because of warlords who want to control their nations, and other people who want to propagate their hatred to other countries?

Should we talk about the dozens of terrorist camps in the U.S. and around the world, which only purpose is to bring chaos?

The U.S. did not invent Islamic extremism. The Barbaric states terrorized, pillaged, kidnapped, dealt, and still deal on slavery, and murdered, and still murder people from all over the world since the 7th century, and even before, and they have not trully stopped. They just found new ways of doing this, by funding terrorists around teh world.

Yet of course, the brainwashed Europeans, and most of the rest of the world want to blame it all on the U.S., except that now ther eis a President that is installing Socialist programs reminiscent of NAtional Socialist Germany, and Communist dictatorships, and suddenly Europeans approve of President Obama...

So tell, me, who is really brainwashed?

[edit on 29-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Valorian

There a more but at least 8 in 100 years so every decade a bogeyman has been invented to keep in check.

I am sorry...you are from England no? Why are you forgetting your own country's "bogeymen"?...

Why is there a need for Europeans to try to single out Americans?... As if Americans are some sort of a problem...

Should I show you a video of your own countrymen making the biggest peacefully protest against your own government, because you have lost more freedoms than Americans have?...




[edit on 29-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by Soraia



Every country in the world, was "seized" by the people living there now.

The U.S. is not the only country which was founded by attacking the natives of that country.

In general, I have seen that, not only many Americans, but most of the world has forgotten about their own history, and instead want to in one way or another "blame americans", why is that?

Every single nation on this world has fought wars over control of those territories they have now, and of course many of them also tried to expand. This was, and is not just "an American thing."