Anyone Not Believe There's a NWO/Illuminati Conspiracy?

Originally posted by sb2012

Yes, source are disappointed and in past oppressed black people who want statue of KKK affiliated general removed. Who could blame them, what they request is the only right thing to do.

While researching a story on Albert Pike, one of the most important figures in Arkansas history, I ran across a surprising number of mistakes, distortions, misinterpretations and outright falsehoods. For some reason there is a highly motivated contingent out there who wants to have Pike's statue in Washington taken down, and they've allowed themselves to present lots of false, misleading and distorted information in order to further their cause. Here I hope to correct some of the more hysterical assertions.

Link

There is a solution but i know some of the Pike fans would go crazy if that happens -- set a statue of liberated slaves near Pikes statue. But seriously, this is off topic and i don't think Pike is important enough for NWO to talk about him in this thread.

on-topic:
One of the things i noticed which heavily promotes NWO agenda is forming of North American Union along with Amero currency. Nobody asked voters anything, they just organized meetings between top political and corporate figures and no press was allowed.

More information about NAU:
Lou Dobbs on CNN + Google Video NAU search
JBS NAU page
stopthenau.org

This is highly unconstitutional. America as we know it will cease to exist in 2010 and media is reporting about Paris Hilton weed smoking in the meantime. Typical for corrupt empires.

[edit on 26-6-2007 by sb2012]

Masonic Light,

Thankyou so very much for your posts to this thread...As I've learned from your posts on many other threads, your posts with regard to the reality of Freemasonry today Vs folks pre conceived ideas of what Freemasonry really is have been balanced above all..

Not once have you denigrated a poster who has questioned what Freemasonry is, and you have attempted as best you can, to inform those who have questioned Freemasonry as to what really goes on from your own experience as best you can...

Kudos to you my friend for doing that

I guess, from where I sit, what I mentioned in my last post is, what I would like to see from Freemasonry is to open up a lil to the public at large, and really show us what you guys believe and strive for...

If you did that, I have little doubt that would go a long way to alleviate the fears of those who are suspicious of Masons and would indeed enable the public at large recongise you guys for the great works you do throughout the community...

Anywho, thanks for opening my eyes somewhat with your recent posts as to what Freemasonry is really about from an insiders pov

Peace

Originally posted by sb2012
There is a solution but i know some of the Pike fans would go crazy if that happens -- set a statue of liberated slaves near Pikes statue.

Just as a postscript, it was Albert Pike who introduced legislation into the Confederate Congress to abolish slavery. The legislation was defeated, but it shows that Pike was an abolitionist.

Pike explains his views in a collection of essays called knows as the "Letters To The Northern States". Pike says his opposes the Emancipation Proclamation not because it frees people but because:

1. The slaves have nowhere to go. If all the slaves are freed in a single instance, they have nowhere to sleep and nowhere to procure food. Pike therefore recommends the criminalization of mistreating slaves, and a gradual shift from slavery to wage labor.

2. The immediate end of slavery would cause the southern economy to collapse. The gradual elimination of slavery over 10 years would prevent this.

Also, Pike called the northern states on their hypocrisy in the matter. He pointed out that the poor northern industrial workers, although technically "free", were themselves bound up in a type of capitalist industrial slavery, and were no better off than most of the African slaves in the south.

Originally posted by Rilence

I guess, from where I sit, what I mentioned in my last post is, what I would like to see from Freemasonry is to open up a lil to the public at large, and really show us what you guys believe and strive for...

Thanks. Interestingly, practically anything one wants to know about Masonry is in print. I would recommend practically all of the books published by the Scottish Rite Research Society, and most of the ones published by Macoy.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
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Also, Pike called the northern states on their hypocrisy in the matter. He pointed out that the poor northern industrial workers, although technically "free", were themselves bound up in a type of capitalist industrial slavery, and were no better off than most of the African slaves in the south.

Well, this is something i respect him for. Many people are still in this 'modern slavery' situation.

I do believe there is a conspiracy against humanity as a whole by some sort of 'hidden hand'

I also believe that this conspiracy is passed amongst few, generation after generation.

If there is no 'hidden hand' controlling the fate of the planet, and trying to manipulate the natural resources and societies wealth, then humanity as a whole must have suicidal tendancies.

Without respect, care and maintenance for one's home, it becomes piled in trash, and incapable of supporting human life. And I am not talking about global warming. I am talking about everything from the removal of Oxygen from the atmosphere due to the clear cutting of forests. I am talking about the soil being polluted by the fertilizers and pest sprays. There are so many ways that the planet is being destroyed, that Al Gore talking about the climate makes me laugh. Because who cares if it is too hot if you starve to death because Gentically Modified food replaces the natural strains, and then China reverse engineers the genetics and creates a blight to wipe out all the corn or whatever.

Until human beings can live in a world where the governments actions are transparent, and the health of society as a whole includes diversity and equality as the natural law, it is my belief that there is indeed a conspiracy to rape this planet and all its citizens of their birth rights.

DocMoreau

Ah, don't worry that much. Most of the problems today are because of progress and with more progress we will overcome them. There are global agendas but also it's a desire and maturing of society which manifests itself as tendency towards unity and cooperation, not isolationism.

Yes, very interesting views. I would recommend one do thier own researching on any topic that is coverd on this thread or not.

Balance is the key . But back to the question, I dont think the O.W.O/N.W.O. really cares that you belive that they exsist or not. They know that you exsist and thy are reaping off from you everyday. So as much as its great to debate, its also quite as good to put words into action.

Now as much as its important to go back into the past its also very important to go into the future just as aware. Its quite a shame things are so technical these days.

Just one point though, as much one sees importance in revelations and truth, it dosnt quite make it fact!

Originally posted by yawkey
Yes, very interesting views. I would recommend one do thier own researching on any topic that is coverd on this thread or not.

Balance is the key

. But back to the question, I dont think the O.W.O/N.W.O. really cares that you belive that they exsist or not. They know that you exsist and thy are reaping off from you everyday. So as much as its great to debate, its also quite as good to put words into action.

Now as much as its important to go back into the past its also very important to go into the future just as aware. Its quite a shame things are so technical these days.

Just one point though, as much one sees importance in revelations and truth, it dosnt quite make it fact!

Nice post Yawkey and welcome to the thread

I agree when you say the lessons of the past are so very important with regard to the future...I also agree with you when you say balance is the key...

As I said to Masonic Light he has always posted fairly and very much from his own experience, together with well researched info when answering questions with regard to Freemasonry involvement in the NWO..

Heck, there are as many Freemasons involved as there are catholics, protestants and atheists...

The point is, these people, regardless of their individual "spiritual" beliefs have been working toward a society worldwide where there is about 1/5 the population there is now, to reduce their "overheads", yet maintaining their lifestyles which is about absolute power and wealth...

I mean, could you imagine 90% of the planets wealth concentrated into the hands of a few thousand people ?

The signs show me we are well on the way to this, regardless of who is responsible or what their persuasion is...

Peace

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars


This is worthy of it's own thread.

But let it be known, I tend to lean towards the Ol' Popes views.

Thanks for posting the links. Just out of curiousity, what arguments of Leo's do you accept as valid, and why do you believe that Pike's response was hypocritical?

And I agree: this is certainly worthy of its own thread!

Masonic, It's a little hard to respond on the finer details due to my lack of time I have to sit down in front of the computer for this purpose, but I'll try and get to it when I get the chance. For right now I'll have to enjoy reading your posts and throwing a question out there every now and then.

From previous experience with me you probably know how I feel about the Bible. Alot of you here of course don't agree but just to let you know, I take the Bible quite literally. I don't bash Pike anymore but I definitely can NOT reconcile his beliefs and writings with the Bible.

One thing you said that prompted a quick question:

Masonic Light

The masses still believed in a devil that was out to get them (hell, most of them still do). Such people are easy to control psychologically: just scare them with tales of demons and boogeymen (as the anti-Illuminsts did and still do). We see it every day on this very message board.

The devil and the belief in him aside, what spiritual consequences to our actions do we have in this life and is it possible to you that these consequences could follow us after we die somehow? I have sort of an idea how you will answer that but be honest.

Another question I ask and just for clarification for this specific thread, how do you really feel about the Bible? I pretty sure you believe that there is 'some' truth in it.. How respond you?

People are indeed easy to control psychologically but does that in and of itself mean that there is not a devil, demons or 'boogeymen' as you put it? How do you know for sure the devil does not exists as the Bible puts it?

Terrorist for example, they are real but so are the people that are capitalizing on them. As we've seen very recently, people are very easily put on their ears when it comes to terrorism, false flag or otherwise. Using the same logic that you displayed earlier I could say that terrorist don't exist. Many people believe that false flag terror doesn't exists based on a similar mindset.

Not to put words in anyones mouth but I would like to take what you said earlier and replace a couple of words to make a point:


"The masses still believe in terrorist that out to get them (hell, most of them still do). Such people are easy to control psychologically: just scare them with tales of suicide bombers and terrorist nuke attacks (as the Illuminsts did and still do). We see it every day on this very message board."

Now, I did that in good spirit, don't take that the wrong way.


What are your thoughts?


Ok.. one Bible verse:


“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8

Today I won my first victory against the NWO. I was on NBC's forms abnout Global Warming and had a good argument against it. The post was deleted. I put it up again. It was deleted again. I then posted it on every topic on the first page. It was deleted again. I did it again, included with me saying I will win against communistic cencorship. All my posts were deleted and I was banned. BUT, I closed down their forums due to over spamming. I call this victory without actual victory. I was banned, yes, but I got my message out there and closed them down for a day. My first victory against the forces of corruption, communism, and socialism. VICTORY IS MINE!

I have no doubt that there are powerful people conspiring to create a New World Order. Whether this group is a casual assortment of leaders who bring up the topic every once in a while or a large, powerful, organized assortment of masterminds (known as the Illuminati?), I'm not sure, but I'd tend to opt for the latter.

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars


From previous experience with me you probably know how I feel about the Bible. Alot of you here of course don't agree but just to let you know, I take the Bible quite literally. I don't bash Pike anymore but I definitely can NOT reconcile his beliefs and writings with the Bible.

That's fine, as this is just a matter of honest difference of opinion. Pike did not take the entirety of the Bible literally, and neither do I. However, you certainly have the right to do so if that is your choice.

One thing you said that prompted a quick question:


The devil and the belief in him aside, what spiritual consequences to our actions do we have in this life and is it possible to you that these consequences could follow us after we die somehow? I have sort of an idea how you will answer that but be honest.

Yes, I think that we all will one day give an account for every idle word. I also believe that our negative actions and words do follow us, both here and hereafter, through karma or otherwise.

Another question I ask and just for clarification for this specific thread, how do you really feel about the Bible? I pretty sure you believe that there is 'some' truth in it.. How respond you?

Many people consider the Bible as being one book. This is convenient because it's all gathered between the same covers. However, in reality, it is a collection of many different books written by different men at different times who had different ideas.

I believe that a large portion of the biblical books were written by Adepts, that is, very wise men who had intimate connections with God. These men teach their doctrines through symbolism and allegory, often through fables and parables. These parts of the Bible I consider to be inspired.

Other parts of the Bible are less inspired, such as the so-called "historical books". For example, the book of Esther never even mentions God, and the books of the Kings and Chronicles document the real or legendary politics and lives of the government officials in ancient Israel and Judah.

People are indeed easy to control psychologically but does that in and of itself mean that there is not a devil, demons or 'boogeymen' as you put it? How do you know for sure the devil does not exists as the Bible puts it?

I believe the devil in the Judeo-Christian system is a symbol of what the Hindus call "kundalini". The Bible is absolutely chock full of hints that this is the case.

Originally posted by Crakeur
well, they've been trying for years to no avail so I'd say there's nothing to worry about.

if they couldn't pull it off in the 1700's, when the world was more easily controlled, how do you expect them to do it now?

the original architects of the plan never knew about the internet, phones, airplanes, television, radio, electricity, etc. they couldn't have planned this far ahead


who plans a 500 year global domination plan and expects their bloodline to enact it? hell, who expects their family to be around 500 years later?

the illuminati is a dead issue. if they ever did exist in the concept that you are implying, they were the most inept, moronic group of people and after all this time, the odds of them succeeding are about as good as me hitting the lottery today (I don't buy tickets)

woah woah your basing this on the fact that you believe the Illuminati has just normal human means.....your forgetting they knew thins all too well because of their own libraries containing prophesies that talked about technology......even prophet to this at still in their mist......this is gonna be funny to some but you gotta wake up an realize this world is not an will not be there security blanket you want it to be just because its very confortable to let science explain everything and assume the illuminati is just a secret society based on a leadership or new world order stand point is too small it's a bigger picture painted with powerful items the holy grail moses' shroud etc....

Posted by Togetic:

I agree that if they were there, they would have won by now.


I personally think that their could never be a one world gov. governed by 1 body of evil. Too many different kinds of people. But i do agree they are trying. And i honestly think that is the whole point. It doesnt matter if they succeed or not, even though they most likely wont. It is the point of them trying and all of the evil and decietful things they are doing to try and put it into place. Example: all of the wars and such. These groups of people are nothing but evil. And they sit there in there deluded minds and think of all of the people they have murdered as collateral damage. It is for the greater good. give me a break.

And anyone who has power always wants more. It is the nature of the beast. And they(the elites) will falter. They will get so greedy that it will eventually burn them in the end(which it should i might add). They will get so greedy as to try to get this nwo into place that it will backfire on them and they will end up with nothing. But the sad thing is, is that alot of the good people will have to suffer and give their life for this too happen.

Yeah fair enough.

True.

Originally posted by WhatIsWhat
The one thing we can't do is let them take away our freedom or our independence as people of different racial and ethnic history either, if everyone were the same there would of never been cool video games cool movies, different types of foods ect ect.., these ideas all came from free thinking individuals and there creativity, just one more reason there shouldn't be a one world government, doing this would strip creativity and originality from the various countrys.

George Lucas' "THX1138" is a haunting example of what very well could happen if and when this world organization plan follows through. One of my favorite movies.

First, you should check out this site: illuminati-news.com...
I was amazed at how much info this site has on the Illuminati, (if you look in the right place) I truly believe that there is "Elites" or "Illuminati" (or the term that they use "The Enlightened Ones"... A lot of evidence I have looked at is unfortunately not very credible.. BUT... on the other hand, so many things fall together like pieces of a puzzle! Which tends to confuse..WHAT IF, there is an Illuminati? As far as we know, and have heard, they're greatest fear is, of being discovered by the public and exploited to the rest of the world. So we KNOW their weakness.. The only problem is gaining hard crucial evidence, (documents, people within the Illuminati, etc..) And seriously.. I AM SURE, that there are people within this "organization" who are wanting to come out and live normal lives and who want nothing more to do with this evil and greed thats spreading like a disease.

Just like the servicemen & engineers who came out and exposed details about Area-51.. because they were so sick of lying and being lied to, they became disgusted with of all the cover ups that they finally came out and told us what they knew... sadly & unfortunately many of us still did not believe... because we were waiting for the "real" truth to be told to us by the government. The people WHO we are REALLY meant to trust. They have brainwashed so many to believe that all this is just nonsense and to go about their daily lives. Well thats what I believe.. but then, a part of me truly hopes.. That this is all nonsense... However unsure I may be, I know for a fact that I will keep searching for the truth until the day I die. Make sure to check out that link at the top if your looking for a lot of info.

Bye for now my fellow truth seekers..

“The Illuminati can be traced back thousands of years to Sumer, Babylon, Egypt and still further into what we call pre-history. Through the centuries they have been working constantly to centralize global power and complete their 'Great Work' global dictatorship. Behind the apparent randomness of world events has been the Illuminati secret network that is privy to knowledge the rest of the people never hear about. The network is controlled by ancient interbreeding bloodlines and their offshoots headed today by some thirteen 'elite families', which are structured in a DNA hierarchy. These include the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, House of Lorraine, Habsburgs and the Thurn und Taxis dynasty from Bergamo.” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”

The bloodlines’ agenda, their “Great Work,” which is nothing short of world domination, has exoterically been called “The New World Order” by many politicians and Masonic authors. The Old World Order was characterized by monarchies, countries with independent standing armies, metals and fiat currency. The New World Order will be characterized by One-World government, open borders, a world army, world court, and a world cashless credit-based currency managed via microchips.

“The New World Order is not a 'conspiracy' in the strictest sense of the term - it is an agenda. The agenda is orchestrated by a power elite that thinks it has the divine right to commandeer total control of your life. But who are 'they'? Who are the 'power elite'? The UN, the EU, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Club of Rome. The list goes on and there have been many books written that cover the history of these groups and how they connect to each other … The agenda is a worldwide consolidation and centralization of power into the hands of an all-encompassing World Government. This system will evolve from the European Union, (already in place) the American Union, (derived from NAFTA) and the Asian Union. When these three models are in existence, they will be merged together to create the One World Government.” -Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (8-9)

“I would emphasise that I am exposing an Agenda, not a conspiracy as such. The conspiracy comes in manipulating people and events to ensure the Agenda is introduced. These conspiracies take three main forms: conspiring to remove people and organisations that are a threat to the Agenda (the assassination of Diana, Princess of Wales); conspiring to put people into positions of power who will make the Agenda happen (George Bush, Henry Kissinger, Tony Blair, etc.); and conspiring to create events which will make the public demand the Agenda is introduced through problem-reaction-solution (wars, terrorist bombs, economic collapses). In this way all these apparently unconnected events and manipulations become aspects of the same conspiracy to introduce the same Agenda.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (13)