Originally posted by InSpiteOf
My personal feels on the NWO is that it is really misnamed. For me, the NWO, is really the OWO (Old World Order.)
Hmmm...I've been saying this (in very nearly this exact way) for quite a long while now. IMO, the real NWO
was the birth of the American
Constitutional Republic...Had our People & Government adhered to it, this would have broken the history of human civilization away from "Government
being sovereign over People" into People being sovereign over Government." Yes, the USA was a very bold experiment set forth by a bunch of (for lack
of a more accurate term) geniuses; They wanted to make a turn for the better in human society, but those self-proclaimed NWO/Illuminati are merely
trying to re-establish the historical "status quo." In truth, they are not looking ahead to a bold new future, but looking behind to stifle the
human drive towards true social maturity.
Originally posted by zorgon
NWO? What NWO...
All I see is the same world order as there was before...
Looks like you missed the point that I'd just quoted above...
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
But do i believe there will be a one world religion or government? No, i dont. That would cut into the interests of those pushing austerity programs
threwout the world. Do i believe that these groups want to see the earths population decline by 1/5th or more? No, again, it would cut into the
interests of those groups.
Not really. For one thing, they may find control much easier to maintain if they can get the masses to "worship" what they do or what they can give
to their slaves; Religion is a big motivator, but they'd prefer everybody believe in the same thing--Blind obedience to them. After all, it wasn't
that long ago that rulers had kept their positions by merging Church & State to provide them with "divine right to rule."
For another thing, the NWO/Illuminati do recognize the fact that human overpopulation
becomes a serious strain on the limited resources this
planet can sustain/renew. Therefore, it would be in their best interests to reduce human population by a significant margin; After all, they'd only
need a few hundred-million people left to provide them with enough slaves to keep them on the high-hog anyway...
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I think there is a lot of disinfo out there around these groups, largely created by paraniod minds, and in part perpetuated by these groups in order
to throw people off the trail.
No doubt about that...After all, the more chaff they throw, the harder it is to find the real target.
Originally posted by YIAWETA
Admiring Weishaupt ?
Have you seen the Star Trek movie, "Wrath of Kahn?"
(I may not be precise
with my quotes, but pretty close)
Kirk: "Mr. Spock, don't misunderstand us. We humans have a streak of barbarity in us. Apalling, yes, but there nevertheless. We can admire a man &
still work against him at the same time."
People like Weishaupt, Hitler, Genghis Kahn, etc, etc. down throughout history must have been geniuses to go as far as they did...Evil
geniuses, but geniuses nevertheless. People like me, for example, can take an objective look at their genius, then subjectively
evil...And remember to oppose/watch out for people like that during my own lifetime.
Originally posted by RWPBR
Paranoid delusions of people who, for whatever reason, have no control over themselves or their own lives and need someone to blame for their
shortcommings and failures.
Try looking at some history
...Conspiracy Theory has to rely on some core facts
& some facts are out there for your researching pleasure.
However, by its very nature, conspiracists do have to keep as much of a "low profile" as possible.
A few sources:
HIstorically documented "secret societies" include the Society of Assassins, the various "mystery cults" of the Roman Empire (one of which
includes the Christian philosopher Montanus who named his group "Illuminati" to reform the then-young Christian Church).
Arthur Edward Waite, "The Real History of the Rosicrucians"--"Beneath the broad tide of human history there flow the stealthy undercurrents of the
secret societies, which frequently determine in the depths the changes that take place on the surface."
John Robinson, "Proofs of a Conspiracy"--"The pupils (of the Illuminati) are convinced that the order will rule the world. Every member therefore
becomes a ruler."
Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope"--"Three hundred men, all of whom know one another, direct the economic destiny of Europe and choose their
successors from among themselves."
J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, "The Book of the SubGenius"--"The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is." and "They (the Illuminati)
engineered the spread of crazy conspiracy theories, because even though many of them are true, they still sound
crazy..." and "The only
problem with enlightenment is that if you think
you got it, you didn't
get it." (Sorry, I just couldn't
leave out these...
Richard J. Whalen, "The Founding Father"--"Power is the end. What other delight is there but to enjoy the sheer sense of control?"
A few more quotes to look up:
"For not all true things are the truth...[and] not all true things are to be said to all men."--Bishop Clement of Alexandria
"Behold our secret. Remember that the end justifies the means, and that the wise ought to take all the means to do good which the wicked take to do
"...Nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way."--President Franklin D. Roosevelt
Actually, the "ancestors" within an Illuminati group can plan ahead in general terms, but it's up to the descendants to merge the general plans &
concepts with contemporary technology & methodology to deal with the details.
As a for-instance-example: Taking over a government is conceptually no differentjthan taking control of a smaller group; The only difference lies in
the cost (in resources & time).
In a 1957 book by Jan Kozak (member of the Czechoslovivakian Communist Party), he described the "general concepts" that would enable a small
conspiratorial group to control a government:
First, infiltrate a few key members into a government structure. They would not need any real power except that required to introduce at least some
Second, create a real or alleged with the government, that either denounces something the government did or point out some required duty that the
government didn't do.
Third, field a mob in reaction to the "grievances" to demand that the government solve the problem with legislation. (Kinda sounds like modern-day
lobbyists in Washington D.C. right now, doesn't it?)
Fourth, bring in legislation (oppressive legislation) that fails to solve the problem. (Does the Patriot Act sound familiar here?)
Repeat the last 3 steps until the government turns totalitarian.
According to conspiracy theorist A. Ralph Epperson, Hitler used a very similar method to gain power...And then research Project Paperclip (made
available by the Freedom of Information Act) to see what really
happened to quite a few top-level Nazis after the Nuremburg Trials.
Originally posted by sb2012
Yes, it's all fraud
Just because someone points out one
obvious fraud, does that automatically cause you to discount all other
evidence? Not a very wise
Originally posted by Astrithr
I still don't really believe. There's no hard evidence, and besides, even if there was something to it, what could we possibly do to change
Any decent detective in the modern day can tell you that, to find a person, you don't look for that person because it's much easier to track the
"money trail"...Such as Automatic Teller Machines, tracking purchases paid for by personal checks, etc. Therefore, to track who's behind certain
conspiracies, start by looking how the money flows: I suggest you may start with the Federal Reserve Bank for one example, and how its very existence
is Unconstitutional (& therefore illegal) in the USA.
There are already a few threads about the Fed Res, right here on ATS...A good start, but I'd also suggest that you do your own research to confirm
the info there.
The U. S. Government WORKS For PRIVATE BANKS and BANKERS!
The FED is a serious scam. When is something going to be done about it?
America: Freedom to Fascism - Federal Reserve and Taxes
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