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reply posted on 20-6-2007 @ 07:22 PM by Vekar
Ina: one huge problem, during that kind of "revolution" you would cause yourself more hardship in the future, you would be training people to fight these elites and NWO and when you back stab them... You now have the WHOLE of YOUR force AGAINST you! YOU trained them, and they are your ONLY defence, now they are out for your head... That is a risk far too high to take. What you propose is far too much of a risk, you would be smashing your own system and preventing your own system from winning in the long run. Not worth it.

OK! About the RFID again: Like I said at this point in time it is far too high a risk for them to try this as well not just because of costs but because of opposition. What COULD be done is the RFIDing of groups that oppose them, in short SELECTIVE implanting. This could be done easily however it too has drawbacks when people realize it. What would work though is them RFIDing those who WORK FOR THEM under the guise of security and protection. Once people are used to having government workers getting RFIDed all the time for "safety" they work on everyone else. Still, there is not enough production right now so it costs too much, last I heard it costs over 1 grand to get an RFID. Also they need to get better satellites and mother computers to monitor millions of people. Once again, this is not the time for them to do this on a large scale, in 50-100 years it will be VERY viable if they work at it. Right now they just need to de-educate and un-educate people (read George Orwells 1984 for an example or look at Nazi Germanies programming of children for more) so they will accept it with open arms. So once again just re-read my post and add this too it if you want a longer discussion of why this RFIDing is not viable at the time being.


reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 02:14 AM by sb2012
RFID has advantages too. Each year so many kids and teens disappear and nobody is able to find them. With RFID this issue would be solved and with One World Government we could quickly and swiftly catch the offenders and rescue children and teenagers.

RFID can also replace all the documents and money, which solves many of the problems when documents are lost, money stolen or when traveling. Also friends could use this system to find you, if you allow your position to be broadcasted to internet or mobile networks.

Finally advanced form of RFID could also monitor you health status, blood pressure, sugar level, stress and even call a doctor in case of urgency. Even more advanced devices could replace conventional PC, integrating it into human body. Another possibility is to use this technology to stimulate brain and other experimental stuff, reducing the need for medication and helping people in various ways.

I think you have too dark image of NWO, mostly thanks to fundamental groups who see ultimate Evil in it. I explained why this is so -- they are afraid for their religion. It was same fear in Roman empire too. Secular state vs theocracy. God vs evil in their view, but i think secular is much better.

If NWO is really that bad they could establish martial law long ago and enforce the system and kill anyone who resist. After a few public executions people would abandon all hope and behave similar to inmates in camps -- full of apathy and just hoping they survive one more day.

My point is, One World Government is needed for humanity to advance and to survive. Don't listen to all horror stories. Many people producing them just profit from your fear.


reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 08:05 AM by Kelldor
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I will after work. I just wanted to say that we should not ask for nor expect any help from our friends. Here's why. Our friends are all slaves to the Federal Reserve just like we are. When our dollar tanks, so does theirs. Why? Because they have dollars in reserves that will become worhtless. 2) Chances are, since our friends have central banks with Rothschilds controlling interests like our FED, they won't come here to help the patriots, they will come to help the government restore order. If you see Blue helmets in American streets, aim well.

The only way we are going to get out of this mess, and it is coming, is a well armed and and well trained citizens militia as the founders intended. As an above poster said, Get guns and practice. I can't and I won't because past discrepancies won't allow me to, but I will donate money to my friends and family so they can arm themselves. Then if the $h!t goes down, I won't care if I'm looking at life w/o possibility of parole, because I'll be thinking "OMFG They are coming for me and I have to stay alive and out of a FEMA concentration camp!!"

ashnomadonte, at least you realize that your OATH is to the Constitution! My cousin is Army and I asked her the question "The Oath of Enlistment or Soldiers Oath is broken into 3 parts. What Part comes 1st?"

She said "Loyalty to the President."

/sigh

Needless to say I corrected her. "Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic" is 1st. "and loyalty to the same" the same being the Constitution again is 2nd, and finally the part about loyalty to President in accordance with the UCMJ is last.

It's designed this way for a reason. If your President goes against the Constitution, or orders you to violate the Constitution or the UCMJ, you are obligated to not follow that order because it is an illegal order. I mean holy crap even Watada has got off!

The administration is trying to re-write this oath. Last week at West Points graduation ceremony Dick Cheney said in his speech "You took an oath to support and defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic." That was not a slip up. That is not something you sit there and interpret it as the same to justify it.

They are intentionally undermining the Constitution because it is the last thing standing in their way of implementing the NAU/NWO, period. End of argument!

sb2012, I don't think I have ever attacked anyone ever on this forum, and I won't do that, but imho you are wrong. 1 world governance is international socialism, and is incompatible with the Constitution because in order to have 1 world government the U.S.A. must sacrifice sovereignty. In essence what we are talking about is statist globalism. This is not unlike the national socialists workers union in Germany 1933-1945. The word Nazi is short for national socialism. I submit that by your expressed ideology that you must be a globalist, and I hope you may choose to instead come to embrace the Constitution instead. Well, I shouldn't just assume you are American. I'm sure ATS welcomes all points of view. Either way, it may be a good idea, if you are American by chance, to reassess your belief system in comparison with the Constitution. If you found that the 2 were incompatible, would you then advocate scrapping the Constitution in favor of the UN charter? If so, you should know that you would have less rights, as the Constitution has inalienable rights given to us by our creator, which is so that government may not take away those rights, like Habeas Corpus for example, which has been a pillar of western civilization since the Magna Carta, and was taken away Oct. 13, 2006 via the Miliatary Commissions Act of 2006.

[edit on 6/21/07 by Kelldor]


reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 07:28 PM by sb2012
Originally posted by Kelldor
sb2012, I don't think I have ever attacked anyone ever on this forum, and I won't do that, but imho you are wrong. 1 world governance is international socialism, and is incompatible with the Constitution because in order to have 1 world government the U.S.A. must sacrifice sovereignty. In essence what we are talking about is statist globalism. This is not unlike the national socialists workers union in Germany 1933-1945. The word Nazi is short for national socialism. I submit that by your expressed ideology that you must be a globalist, and I hope you may choose to instead come to embrace the Constitution instead. Well, I shouldn't just assume you are American. I'm sure ATS welcomes all points of view. Either way, it may be a good idea, if you are American by chance, to reassess your belief system in comparison with the Constitution. If you found that the 2 were incompatible, would you then advocate scrapping the Constitution in favor of the UN charter? If so, you should know that you would have less rights, as the Constitution has inalienable rights given to us by our creator, which is so that government may not take away those rights, like Habeas Corpus for example, which has been a pillar of western civilization since the Magna Carta, and was taken away Oct. 13, 2006 via the Miliatary Commissions Act of 2006.
[edit on 6/21/07 by Kelldor]


Constitution is fine, but nobody respects it anymore. They literally killed the Constitution after 9/11 inside job. I have nothing against it, in fact, i think it's one of the best documents published so far.

But also i see world needs to go on, we need to learn to cooperate not draw more borders. Also we need to help people in need. 850 million people go to bed hungry each day (2007 report, not 1907) and also many die.

One World Government can fix all this and a lot more. No borders means no wars, less crime, no human trafficking and no slavery. Yes, it still exist today and i am sick of it all. We have capabilities to fix all these problems and yet we spend so much time arguing and so much money for defense.
Imagine states in USA in constant conflict, but there is peace. Imagine EU in conflict, yet there is peace and cooperation too -- and no communism. So, same way we could unite the world, be a bit more social, but no need to be like old communists or slaves in feudal society, as some suggested.

There is one problem, big one. Theocracy needs to go away, forever. Not spirituality but organized religion. It's too dangerous for peace and it will never change by itself. This is also the reason for all NWO horror stories from religious groups. They produce this material for decades and a lot of it, so no wonder some people are so depressed about One World idea.

But on positive side, when majority of people resolve basic problems, stop with wars and think positive, people all over the globe will feel the change. This alone is a big step for humanity. Challenge too.
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