If Bush declares Martial Law, How can we stop him becomming a dictator?

Originally posted by AMANNAMEDQUEST
I don't care what bush's plans are, no states are gonna listen to him. New Hampshire made that clear. Its all the little things hes doing that makes one wonder. Divide and conquer, but Michigan won't give up without a fight!

Really? They'l just thumb their nose at Bush's directives and not follow orders? In that case, what am i worried about, i live in Massachusetts.
And here i was, all worried.

Originally posted by Vekar
Your not getting the whole picture, it will cost too much to implant everyone. It is much easier and simpler just to put people into a position so as to be unable to revolt in any shape or form. Cost wise it is not worth it right now, thus why would they bother? It would only enrage people at this point in time... In about 50-100 years this will be streamlined and people will be so uneducated and de-educated they will view this as a way of protecting themselves from "terrorists" ............. Yeah... Right now though it is just too much of a firestorm, give it time and it WILL become viable, just not right now.

I dno't see the cost issue being a problem. They control most of the funds in America one way or another. When the system goes bust, they'll be fine. We won't. They'll say that they will help and protect everyone. Those chips will probably be vaccines or some kind that people will willingly accept.

The mioney just doesn't matter b/c they have enough, and make more everyday.

I don't see a decent solution to this, and youre right about the uneducated and de-educated. It's bad enough already, I feel re-education coming along the works soon...

If I wanted to take over america, I'd have bush declare martial law.

I'd then engineer the "People's uprising", with myself as leader against the evil bad guy that everybody hates..

You can't get around the fact that too many people hate Bush, as well as the current political system.. But what you can do is use that against the very people you're trying to scam, so that they adore you, support you and will do whatever you want in your brand new society..

(This, obv. is presuming that you are an evil genius like me, and that you are already in control of the government behind the scenes - which I'm not)

Ina: one huge problem, during that kind of "revolution" you would cause yourself more hardship in the future, you would be training people to fight these elites and NWO and when you back stab them... You now have the WHOLE of YOUR force AGAINST you! YOU trained them, and they are your ONLY defence, now they are out for your head... That is a risk far too high to take. What you propose is far too much of a risk, you would be smashing your own system and preventing your own system from winning in the long run. Not worth it.

OK! About the RFID again: Like I said at this point in time it is far too high a risk for them to try this as well not just because of costs but because of opposition. What COULD be done is the RFIDing of groups that oppose them, in short SELECTIVE implanting. This could be done easily however it too has drawbacks when people realize it. What would work though is them RFIDing those who WORK FOR THEM under the guise of security and protection. Once people are used to having government workers getting RFIDed all the time for "safety" they work on everyone else. Still, there is not enough production right now so it costs too much, last I heard it costs over 1 grand to get an RFID. Also they need to get better satellites and mother computers to monitor millions of people. Once again, this is not the time for them to do this on a large scale, in 50-100 years it will be VERY viable if they work at it. Right now they just need to de-educate and un-educate people (read George Orwells 1984 for an example or look at Nazi Germanies programming of children for more) so they will accept it with open arms. So once again just re-read my post and add this too it if you want a longer discussion of why this RFIDing is not viable at the time being.

RFID is a few steps off, my dog was only $160 to have him micro-chipped. If he could pay for himself I would have made him.......

With the whole chipping issue the bible tells us that it will become our only way to pay for anything, so people will have to get it.

What bible? Anyway, they HAVE said how they would like to require everyone to have an RFID ID card with them to make ANY transaction, then advance to "scanning your hand" to pay for things electronically. This is bad news, at least we are not going to have it within the next 5 years unless they REALLY step things up...

I for one am not scared to get "chipped" so what IT WILL BE A PART OF LIFE SOON there is no way you can or will stop it marital law I am in the army and I WILL NOT in any way do anything that would go against the constitution I would go to jail before that happened so as for me and my friends you have nothing to fear I just pry that I never have to police my own

Anything and everything can be stopped, it is a matter of knowing how then acting on that knowledge. To think something is impossible or invincible is utter falacy, people used to believe it was imposible to fly... People thought it was treasnous to say the earth was NOT the center of the solar system... Everything can be stopped one way or another. The question is, are you willing to stand up and stop it should the solution be offered?

RFID has advantages too. Each year so many kids and teens disappear and nobody is able to find them. With RFID this issue would be solved and with One World Government we could quickly and swiftly catch the offenders and rescue children and teenagers.

RFID can also replace all the documents and money, which solves many of the problems when documents are lost, money stolen or when traveling. Also friends could use this system to find you, if you allow your position to be broadcasted to internet or mobile networks.

Finally advanced form of RFID could also monitor you health status, blood pressure, sugar level, stress and even call a doctor in case of urgency. Even more advanced devices could replace conventional PC, integrating it into human body. Another possibility is to use this technology to stimulate brain and other experimental stuff, reducing the need for medication and helping people in various ways.

I think you have too dark image of NWO, mostly thanks to fundamental groups who see ultimate Evil in it. I explained why this is so -- they are afraid for their religion. It was same fear in Roman empire too. Secular state vs theocracy. God vs evil in their view, but i think secular is much better.

If NWO is really that bad they could establish martial law long ago and enforce the system and kill anyone who resist. After a few public executions people would abandon all hope and behave similar to inmates in camps -- full of apathy and just hoping they survive one more day.

My point is, One World Government is needed for humanity to advance and to survive. Don't listen to all horror stories. Many people producing them just profit from your fear.

Originally posted by tyranny22

Originally posted by FlyersFan
When Bill Clinton was in office everyone was worried about the same thing.

When did this take place?

I lived in Alabama when Clinton was in office. EVERYONE down there that I knew or spoke with figured Clinton (and wifey-poo) were so power hungry and so evil that they'd never let go. They'd find excuses to say in office. They'd declare martial law .. etc etc etc

Obviously they didn't. But everyone mistrusted them and figured they would.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Tall me you really dont beleive your words.

tell me that you actually read my post before making those comments.

It was the popular sentiment in Alabama while Clinton was in.
It was very popular amongst the religious right.
Everyone 'knew' he was evil and everyone 'knew' he wouldn't
let the power go. And everyone 'knew' wifey-poo was behind it.

And as I said ... he DID leave when he was supposed to.
Everyone was worried for years about something that ended up not happening.

As I said - Bush doesn't have the backing to be able to pull off a dictatorship. However, whoever is NEXT does have new laws in place
that could help a dictatorship .. and will have more time to do it. Also,
depending on who gets in ... as DR LOVE said - they may have a good
relationship with the UN and FOREIGN troops could be used.

The anti-USA UN would looooooove to send in troops to take over America.

Sorry FF, i've only flown over Alabama. Its amazing how people will say thangs that are just not true.

I beleive you, i know you do not make up stories. I'm sorry if i offended you. It just seems, in Clintons case, propostrous.

Things were very different and peaceful and prosperous with Clinton- makes me wonder what the Alabamians were thinking about.

Its always been the BUSH'S, father and son, and greatgrandfather, for that matter who are somehow linked to the NWO, Hitler, talk of "dictatorship" globalization, etc.... Go figure.

All i want is a different president- and no matter who it is, be it a Democrat or Republican, we are headed for very bad times, and it brings me sorrow and depression- we cant trust anyone. Its not just George anymore!!!!
Heaven help us!

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I will after work. I just wanted to say that we should not ask for nor expect any help from our friends. Here's why. Our friends are all slaves to the Federal Reserve just like we are. When our dollar tanks, so does theirs. Why? Because they have dollars in reserves that will become worhtless. 2) Chances are, since our friends have central banks with Rothschilds controlling interests like our FED, they won't come here to help the patriots, they will come to help the government restore order. If you see Blue helmets in American streets, aim well.

The only way we are going to get out of this mess, and it is coming, is a well armed and and well trained citizens militia as the founders intended. As an above poster said, Get guns and practice. I can't and I won't because past discrepancies won't allow me to, but I will donate money to my friends and family so they can arm themselves. Then if the $h!t goes down, I won't care if I'm looking at life w/o possibility of parole, because I'll be thinking "OMFG They are coming for me and I have to stay alive and out of a FEMA concentration camp!!"

ashnomadonte, at least you realize that your OATH is to the Constitution! My cousin is Army and I asked her the question "The Oath of Enlistment or Soldiers Oath is broken into 3 parts. What Part comes 1st?"

She said "Loyalty to the President."

/sigh

Needless to say I corrected her. "Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic" is 1st. "and loyalty to the same" the same being the Constitution again is 2nd, and finally the part about loyalty to President in accordance with the UCMJ is last.

It's designed this way for a reason. If your President goes against the Constitution, or orders you to violate the Constitution or the UCMJ, you are obligated to not follow that order because it is an illegal order. I mean holy crap even Watada has got off!

The administration is trying to re-write this oath. Last week at West Points graduation ceremony Dick Cheney said in his speech "You took an oath to support and defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic." That was not a slip up. That is not something you sit there and interpret it as the same to justify it.

They are intentionally undermining the Constitution because it is the last thing standing in their way of implementing the NAU/NWO, period. End of argument!

sb2012, I don't think I have ever attacked anyone ever on this forum, and I won't do that, but imho you are wrong. 1 world governance is international socialism, and is incompatible with the Constitution because in order to have 1 world government the U.S.A. must sacrifice sovereignty. In essence what we are talking about is statist globalism. This is not unlike the national socialists workers union in Germany 1933-1945. The word Nazi is short for national socialism. I submit that by your expressed ideology that you must be a globalist, and I hope you may choose to instead come to embrace the Constitution instead. Well, I shouldn't just assume you are American. I'm sure ATS welcomes all points of view. Either way, it may be a good idea, if you are American by chance, to reassess your belief system in comparison with the Constitution. If you found that the 2 were incompatible, would you then advocate scrapping the Constitution in favor of the UN charter? If so, you should know that you would have less rights, as the Constitution has inalienable rights given to us by our creator, which is so that government may not take away those rights, like Habeas Corpus for example, which has been a pillar of western civilization since the Magna Carta, and was taken away Oct. 13, 2006 via the Miliatary Commissions Act of 2006.

[edit on 6/21/07 by Kelldor]

I wanted to respond to a now bygone post (haah), which was scorps' post on Page 2.

There is a lot of material available on where we've been, and where we're headed.

Instead of writing a book on the Illuminati, controllers, cabal, faceless effers, freemasons, baddies, crazies, or whatever you want to call them, I'll just include some links to fairly accessible information that reflect where we've been, and where we're headed. These folks are about to get their comeuppance in a very real way. And the entire planet is going to be in on it...

I've basically just plucked these sites for relevant content, but wouldn't say they're the most in-depth, or more accurate. They were handy, and they offer summations of the general ideas.

I've actually sat down to respond a couple of times, but get called away...

Where we've been:
LINK 1
LINK 2
LINK 3

Where we're headed:
LINK 1
LINK 2
LINK 3
LINK 4
LINK 5

The idea is that there's a happy ending to a long and difficult story...Actually, it's not an ending, it's a new beginning...

Didn't mean to offer only one half of the equation.

Originally posted by Kelldor
sb2012, I don't think I have ever attacked anyone ever on this forum, and I won't do that, but imho you are wrong. 1 world governance is international socialism, and is incompatible with the Constitution because in order to have 1 world government the U.S.A. must sacrifice sovereignty. In essence what we are talking about is statist globalism. This is not unlike the national socialists workers union in Germany 1933-1945. The word Nazi is short for national socialism. I submit that by your expressed ideology that you must be a globalist, and I hope you may choose to instead come to embrace the Constitution instead. Well, I shouldn't just assume you are American. I'm sure ATS welcomes all points of view. Either way, it may be a good idea, if you are American by chance, to reassess your belief system in comparison with the Constitution. If you found that the 2 were incompatible, would you then advocate scrapping the Constitution in favor of the UN charter? If so, you should know that you would have less rights, as the Constitution has inalienable rights given to us by our creator, which is so that government may not take away those rights, like Habeas Corpus for example, which has been a pillar of western civilization since the Magna Carta, and was taken away Oct. 13, 2006 via the Miliatary Commissions Act of 2006.
[edit on 6/21/07 by Kelldor]

Constitution is fine, but nobody respects it anymore. They literally killed the Constitution after 9/11 inside job. I have nothing against it, in fact, i think it's one of the best documents published so far.

But also i see world needs to go on, we need to learn to cooperate not draw more borders. Also we need to help people in need. 850 million people go to bed hungry each day (2007 report, not 1907) and also many die.

One World Government can fix all this and a lot more. No borders means no wars, less crime, no human trafficking and no slavery. Yes, it still exist today and i am sick of it all. We have capabilities to fix all these problems and yet we spend so much time arguing and so much money for defense.
Imagine states in USA in constant conflict, but there is peace. Imagine EU in conflict, yet there is peace and cooperation too -- and no communism. So, same way we could unite the world, be a bit more social, but no need to be like old communists or slaves in feudal society, as some suggested.

There is one problem, big one. Theocracy needs to go away, forever. Not spirituality but organized religion. It's too dangerous for peace and it will never change by itself. This is also the reason for all NWO horror stories from religious groups. They produce this material for decades and a lot of it, so no wonder some people are so depressed about One World idea.

But on positive side, when majority of people resolve basic problems, stop with wars and think positive, people all over the globe will feel the change. This alone is a big step for humanity. Challenge too.

Do you honestly believe Bush is gonna just announce dictatorship just like Hitler did?

I think you people don't realise that Bush is just a pawn of a bigger game. They'll wait 50 years if they have to but they have a staged design.

They'll scare you first then they'll try to pass down laws that tighten civil liberties and at first people won't even notice or even care but they'll use the people's ignorance to get you used to living in a big brother society.

Britain has one of the highest surveillance rates in the world yet people over there don't even notice anything and just accept it as everyday life, People have to realise that it's all about brainwashing and creating an illusion of a free society so that they can operate behind the scenes pulling all the strings.

Zstar, welcome to 2007, it must have been quite a culture shock coming from the mid eighties. Check out our movies, computer games, computer systems. They would be amazing to somebody who was only using a 486 yesterday.
PS The Iraq wars really sucked and nobody won!

Cheers, Duncan.

Yes I honestly believe and I think you'll find he's (bush) has already done it. Next "calamity" you're fire trucked.

[edit on 24-6-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

Originally posted by Spoodily
Go and buy a gun. Follow the laws in possessing a firearm. Practice shooting it at your local firing range.

When this 'scenario' happens, if it does at all, be prepared to fight back. It's that simple.

We have the right to fight back if the government tries to do anything unjust to the citizens.

Make your forefathers proud. They fought Britain off of US soil. They fought amongst themselves during the Civil War. We must be expected to fight or we have let our past patriots down.

Great thoughts Spoodily

I agree with you completely.

The only other thing I can think to add to that is recruiting friends to join the fight.

This is for all the people who blindly say that our boys in uniform, whether police or military, would not police our own people. I recommend you read up on the studies of Millgram, the Stanford Prison Experiment, and the Defense side of the Nuremberg trials