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posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:24 PM
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I don't "not let" her do anything. I am questioning her that's all. Having ANY beliefs is gullible and unnecessary at all. NO ONE should ever believe ANYTHING, PERIOD! If they do, it's TIME for me to question them so they see how unreasonably gullible and controlled they are.




posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam
So? The government can use mind-control technology to make you hear things also. Aliens can do that too. So if I am telepathic and can talk to you inside your head, will you worship me? Please! This is a control system on this planet, and you're still gullible. So I come to you and tell you some BS thing and you laugh in my face and ask why you should believe me. I say: "Since you're alive, everything I say is true, stupid". And you bow down and worship me. How is that different from what you did?

So what if "Jesus" told him. What if it was Aliens who spy on our thoughts and created our religions in the first place in order to feed on our negative energies as we fight over whose God is better. How do you KNOW it cannot be that possibility? Why do you have to take the word of Jesus or the word of God for it. Jesus even said HIMSELF! He said Satan will appear as an Angel of light to you. So basically, it COULD have been any entity/spirit/soul whatever. Anyone coulda heard you and given you a fake sign to appease you. And you jumped for joy. Please! This is what convinced you? And how do you know it was actually Jesus or God who placed you that message, not Satan in disguse as an Angel of light or whatever. Or an alien who can monitor all human thoughts simultaneously and who created religions to begin with. Hmm?


God works in mysterious ways, Satan does not. I dont think Satan could have lined up everything so perfectly, he doesnt have the power. Only God can, he lined up everything perfectly, from telling me that night, to the next morning reading the same exact thing, from Him listnening to my prayer, to telling my cousin to write me a letter. This is the work of God, not Satan. But, I'll humour you, lets say it was Satan who put those words in my head that night, if it was him (assuming he had the power of coincidence) he would have NEVER led me to the Bible, of all places!! He cant, because he doesnt acknowledge Jesus. The devil couldnt have even told me that in the first place. Evil spirits CANNOT acknowlege Jesus, it says so in the New Testament. And I know it wasnt an evil spirit because they were twisting the truth in anyway, or tricking me, God was only reassuring me of His existence.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:51 PM
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lilblam and a some of you others need to show respect, you are being ignorant jerks to mags, shes not brainwashed or whatever so stop your complaining.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam
You are calling me confused and lost? Just like Bush calls Saddam evil. Yeah that one goes RIGHT over my head. Just like Hitler called the Jews evil.

First of all, why do you need to believe or have faith in anything? Why not just find things out on your own, study, research, investigate, and find TRUTH. Blind faith = ignorance and lack of knowledge. You only believe in stuff you don't know. If you knew something you no longer believe in it, cuz you KNOW it. You don't believe you are *blank* years old, you KNOW it. So why do you have to pretend to know God when you can find out through logic. Nooo you are too terrified that logic won't work because God is "beyond" logic and he'll send you to hell for such heresy as independent thinking, right? I'm trying to wake people up from this blind faith/belief junk. You, among all other religious people, are lost. Confused. Scared. Gave up your free will to some entity. You are tempted easily. You are blackmailed by religious temptations/fears they instill. If you are NOT, then why have so much faith in someone you don't even know exists. And if you truly "understand" God after having faith, what DO you understand now. You UNDERSTAND that without faith you are screwed, yes? Blah. You can't argue with a wall that has a smiley face on it. You can't tell it to stop smiling, it's a wall. Same way you can't argue with a believer. You can't ARGUE with an illusion, if the illusion REFUSES to acknowledge truth. It IS your free will, you are right. Except that NOW you gave it up and gave it to God, so you no longer have it. I'd pity you, but I don't pity anyone. You do what you like. I don't know why I even care that someon can be blindly ignorant. So what? There's plenty of people like you on Earth. Bye


Are you thinking you are not lost and confused? Have I even mentioned Bush or Saddam in this thread? They have not a thing to do with my post.

Hey please recall that you, YOU came into this thread, you read the words you felt the defeat and you have chosen to attack my words and defend 'nothing'. That's correct, you are in defense of absolutely nothing. You made the choice, and you continue to make that choice to not believe. You made your bed, you are not resting in it though.

If you are 'searching' and your heart is pure in seeking God, you will receive Him. But if you are fighting against God, then you are denying Him. How then can He enter into you if you are battling against Him? You justify your ignorance as "losing control" That is an interesting statement. I have gained control by accepting Him into myself. Notice the huge difference in the last two statements I just made. Notice the opposition in our thinking over the word 'control'. Then ask yourself if you are lost and seeking God, or are you going to continue to be lost and/or worshipping satan?

I have not judged you here. You wrote everything in your own judgment. You 'chose' to enter my thread. Why?
Magestica



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:55 PM
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Laba Diena Magestica...

it is well that you have grounded to a belief,

I wish for you to enjoy the peace & prosperity promised.
~*~

*test all spirits, it is said in your scriptures...


enjoy your journey



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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The fear I talk about is the fear we all should have of our Holy Father God. The reason(s) are somewhat related to the fact(s) that He has ultimate power and reign over His children. We fear our parents out of respect that they are 'authority'-same fear. This is not to be confused with fear of a spider or fear of darkness and evil. I have no fear of evil or darkness because it CANNOT and will not destroy or do any harm to me.

Gods power is all and everything. He created all of us, we make the choice whether to believe that, respect and worship Him or to turn away from Him completely.
His power is the ONLY power to ever be feared because He has the power to erase us from the book of life, and yes He has the power to eradicate peoples and nations. I don't ask why. I trust He knows exactly what He is doing as the solitary Creator of ALL.

Thanks for your kind post.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by AlecEiffel

Originally posted by lilblam
So? The government can use mind-control technology to make you hear things also. Aliens can do that too. So if I am telepathic and can talk to you inside your head, will you worship me? Please! This is a control system on this planet, and you're still gullible. So I come to you and tell you some BS thing and you laugh in my face and ask why you should believe me. I say: "Since you're alive, everything I say is true, stupid". And you bow down and worship me. How is that different from what you did?

So what if "Jesus" told him. What if it was Aliens who spy on our thoughts and created our religions in the first place in order to feed on our negative energies as we fight over whose God is better. How do you KNOW it cannot be that possibility? Why do you have to take the word of Jesus or the word of God for it. Jesus even said HIMSELF! He said Satan will appear as an Angel of light to you. So basically, it COULD have been any entity/spirit/soul whatever. Anyone coulda heard you and given you a fake sign to appease you. And you jumped for joy. Please! This is what convinced you? And how do you know it was actually Jesus or God who placed you that message, not Satan in disguse as an Angel of light or whatever. Or an alien who can monitor all human thoughts simultaneously and who created religions to begin with. Hmm?


God works in mysterious ways, Satan does not. I dont think Satan could have lined up everything so perfectly, he doesnt have the power. Only God can, he lined up everything perfectly, from telling me that night, to the next morning reading the same exact thing, from Him listnening to my prayer, to telling my cousin to write me a letter. This is the work of God, not Satan. But, I'll humour you, lets say it was Satan who put those words in my head that night, if it was him (assuming he had the power of coincidence) he would have NEVER led me to the Bible, of all places!! He cant, because he doesnt acknowledge Jesus. The devil couldnt have even told me that in the first place. Evil spirits CANNOT acknowlege Jesus, it says so in the New Testament. And I know it wasnt an evil spirit because they were twisting the truth in anyway, or tricking me, God was only reassuring me of His existence.


ROFL first of all, you KEEP telling yourself that, maybe it'll believe it. Second of all, don't ever underestimate anyone's power. Third, the Bible IS a religious doctrine, it IS the word of Satan.. you know what the true Satan is? Lies, deception, service to self, illusion, controlling. There is no evil or good. There is no God/Satan as entities.

Your mistake in logic is this: YOU ASSUME that the Bible is God's work. What if it's not. You don't KNOW! So why assume? Let's say everything that we do NOT know, we will not assume. So you pray one night and a bunch of coincidences happen and you question who answered you. Why do you ASSUME it was God because that's who you wanted to give you an answer. Why do you assume Satan would not lead you to the Bible, when the Bible is written by liars and controlling SOBS? Wishful thinking that's why. You HOPE in your blissful ignorance that you aren't on a path of self-destruction and ignorance and illusion. What makes you think otherwise?

Here's a question. Why do you think all religions aren't illusions and just deceptions created to fool manking and to start wars over them. What kind of argument can you ever pose against that? I'm not saying that's what it is... but you cannot tell me that's NOT what it is.. because you simply don't know, do you! So why do you assume your answer is divine. Not technological.

You said satan has no power of coincidence? Wtf is power of coincidence
If you mean power of synchronicity, that's not a power. Even I have that power. I can call you and tell you something, then pay my friend to email you with that same thing. Then pay a radio station to just randomly announce the same thing when you drive to work next morning. Then I can pay your boss to accidentally leave you the exact same message in a note on your desk.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:06 PM
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faith...faith in something is the point..for some thier 'god' is terroisim or a govt or a person or a book or a higher power. faith that something good will happen or come about from all the 'bad' stuff that is happening today.. in the end i have faith that 'good' will come from it all....BUT.....that does not give me alot of hope when the bat hits me in the head or the cuffs are put on or when i need to produce 3 forms of id to go to the next state, or i get questioned because somebody that i am only an aquaintanse of is arrested and for some far fetched reason i am questioned by the pole-leaz.
faith is something that we need to help us in the 'tuff' times...faith is a belief in something and a belief is an opinion held as fact..............................



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by riffraffalunas
Laba Diena Magestica...

it is well that you have grounded to a belief,

I wish for you to enjoy the peace & prosperity promised.
~*~

*test all spirits, it is said in your scriptures...


enjoy your journey


I will most certainly enjoy my journey as I know I travel not alone nor accompanied by evil. What a breath of fresh air this is.

I hope your journey is also enjoyable



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:13 PM
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..about yourself. Not someone else. I know where my faith is. I trust the strength in my faith. If the world must end and the government is opening that path, then so be it! The world will not end for me, so I'm not going to be afraid nor in the mindset of 'doom and gloom'.

I'm not going to spend all night and day either trying to justify to all the non-believers or followers of satan.

There is only one thing I should ever have to say. And that is; that my faith is in God.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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I don't worship Satan. What I mean by the word "control". I mean, you now let doctrines control you. You let belief control you. What kind of control did you think you gained after you accepted God on faith? Control of your life? What DID you gain besides happiness? I'm not talking about material things either. I mean, personally, do you feel more empowered in your choice now? But aren't your choices dependant on your belief and everything you hear is screened through what you believe, and not objectively analyzed? For example.

If someone supports Jesus and the Bible, they MUST be good and worshipping God. Hitler believed in God too.

If someone rejects either one, they MUST be lost or confused?

Ok, do you even admit a REMOTE POSSIBILITY that you may be wrong and God does not exist, and this whole religion thing is based on a huge lie? Can you admit this as even possible at all? That's all I ask. Faith is just acceptance of things for no reason.. because those things sound nice to you. Let's not make up anything like "I feel things in my heart" etc etc.. we'll both know that'd be BS right?

Also, answer me this. These questions are to anyone who feels like answering them, no one in specific necessarily. What is your ultimate goal in life. For example: happiness, truth, knowledge, pleasure, money, control... etc. What do you want to ultimately achieve for yourself?

Also, this will be my last post trying to demonstrate the silliness of belief on this thread. You ask me why I coem to this thread? Because I am a member of this website, and all threads on this website mean "I want someone to reply". If you didn't want replies then why post things on a public forum? Make a website and withhold your email and you'll make your points without any kind of feedback


I also am not attacking anyone here, I'm trying to make you people think! But if that's as hard as it appears, and I get things like "you're lost" etc then it's really hopeless. Also, you ASSUME that I am on my way to find God. But because I know for a fact that he doesn't exist, I am NOT about to do any such nonsense as look for a God. I need no God. No thanks. I am well capable of ruling myself, and don't need his warmth and love. He can reserve it for believers. I'd prefer truth, and knowledge that's completely objective and unbiased and unreserved. Not because I believe I deserve truth, but because I'm not ASKING anyone if I deserve it or not, I'm out to FIND it myself. If others offer to help me in the search, that is their choice. I will help them also. That is my choice. But I'm NOT going to depend on some entity like God for my happiness or to feel "good" about my life. Nope. Ultimately you guys really do what you want, I just wanted to try to wake you up. To no avail. Can't blame me for trying can you? Maybe one day you'll wake up...

Don't take anything I say as an attack against you or anyone else. I'm just frustrated by the sheer number of people who choose blind faith over objective truth. How do you know if something is true? Well first of all it's logical. God isn't. Go to conspiracy in religion and spirituality forum and find the thread I made called "proof that God does NOT exist". I think it speaks for itself, and if you read it, feel free to comment and see if that changes your mind.

Again, I'm NOT Satan nor do I worship Satan or anyone else. I am a free thinker, and my mind is truly free. I try to stay objective and non-judgemental. Sometimes I may come off kind negative, but I can't be all warm and fuzzy in my statements about mass deceptions like religion, now can I!



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam
Having ANY beliefs is gullible and unnecessary at all. NO ONE should ever believe ANYTHING, PERIOD!


How does that make sense?

If you question someone else's beliefs, isn't it because you BELIEVE she/he is/might be wrong???



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:30 PM
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I don't believe anyone is wrong. I said believing is gullible. That's not something I believe, it's a fact. 2+2=4 is also a fact. I don't believe it, it just is.

And how does it make sense? Well read my next post ENTIRELY and you will see EXACTLY how belief being ignorant and gullible makes PERFECT sense.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:31 PM
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THINK OR BELIEVE

So, what is a Jovial Atheist? He is a person like you who wishes the very best for all of mankind and for himself. The Jovial Atheist wishes no one had to go to bed hungry, or be sick without the attention of a capable, informed medical service. He would like to see all men and women learn to use their minds to help the world rid itself from the evils which come to us from the dark and empty space of ignorance. The Jovial Atheist wishes all mankind would (or could) use their minds to separate fact from fiction, truth from tall tales and reality from the ridiculous.

Ignorance is not just something you have NOT learned. Often ignorance is something you have spent many hours, days, weeks, months and years learning. Ignorance is often something you have spent many hundreds and even thousands of dollars learning. There are even Doctor degrees (PhD.s) issued for years of learning how to be ignorant. What am I talking about? Ignorance is the ability to discard the KNOWN and PROVEN facts of life and science in order to study, learn and perpetuate the untrue, the unknown and the unbelievable. Now that IS ignorance! This type of ignorance is the REJECTION of proven facts and truth. Ignorance is believing the unbelievable. Ignorance is allowing superstition to guide our lives and goals.

The mind (intelligence) is the most marvelous development in the universe. The mind exceeds in value the stars from which comes the material of which mankind and his mind is made. An infant is born with a deep and curious quest to learn everything. What? Why? How? When? The infant mind is a sponge to absorb knowledge. It is a most powerful indexer of knowledge and the eyes of the infant sees everything as new. The infant mind is a most precious addition to the truth seeking of mankind.

Then something happens! That infant mind, which knows nothing about falsehood, about lies and about man's insanity, is told falsehoods by those in whom the infant has trust. Knowing nothing about lies, the infant accepts the falsehood as being true. From that moment on, the infant is at a loss to separate fact from fiction. He is told about Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Boogy Bear and so on. That infant mind is bombarded by religious tales, and prayer, and false hopes and false superiority. And these things become as real to the infant mind as is the car he is driven around in by mama and dad.

That questing infant mind is now bombarded by facts AND fictions. The infant has no way to separate the two. The adults, in whom the infant puts his trust, fail to equip the infant mind with the greatest aid needed to separate fact from fiction. The adults have failed to tell the infant questing mind that some things he is told are true, and some things are untrue. They have failed to tell the infant mind that he must honestly doubt the claims and statements made by anyone until he has studied the proposition and found them to be true or false. They have failed to equip the infant mind with the greatest aid available in determining the TRUTH. That is, the adults have failed to teach the infant mind about Honest Doubt, Research and Honest Clear Thinking in order to evaluate all claims or statements.

They have failed to instruct the infant mind to ALWAYS examine BOTH sides of any claim or statement. They failed to teach the infant mind the value of asking, "WHY?"

In sixty or less years that same questing infant mind has become hard as granite and as impervious to facts, logic and new useful knowledge as is a piece of steel. In other words, that questing infant mind has been nailed shut and crippled and in some it is destroyed. It is now capable of doing only routine work. It is no longer capable of honest, questing thought. It is no longer capable of honestly evaluating a statement or claim and determining the truth of the matter. It is no longer capable of seeing the NEW in everything. It is no longer capable of examining both sides of any political, religious or economic issue or matter.

Instead of adding to his knowledge, that granite mind now seeks to build barriers to protect the BELIEFS (ignorance) which he has substituted for knowledge and truth. In place of a wise and open mind, that granite mind now filters all incoming information through the BELIEF FILTER - FIRST. No matter how true that new information and knowledge is, and no matter how well proven that knowledge is, the granite mind rejects it because it does not conform to the beliefs which he now accepts as true. Belief (ignorance) now becomes the yard stick and barrier which binds the mind.

Belief destroys the ability to recognize facts, TO SEPARATE FACT FROM FICTION and worst of all, steals the happiness and joy which comes with a questing mind.

You are most likely somewhere between the infant questing mind and the granite mind of those who have all the answers even though they do not have a single clue to all of the questions. The Jovial Atheist is about to tell you a secret. This is a secret which will free you from the rock hard mind set which keeps you from being happy, productive, destroys personal relationships, causes war and terror of all kinds and most of all, keeps you from knowing the truth around you. This is the secret which will open your eyes to the fact, there is still more to learn about yourself and about the world. The use of this secret is also called a SIN by those whose granite minds do not wish to be disturbed, nor do they wish others in their circle of influence to be disturbed or challenged with new or contradictory facts, truths and knowledge.

This secret is the fact that knowledge and truth is determined by learning to HONESTLY DOUBT the statements and claim made daily to you. Honest Doubt is the ONLY protection which nature has given us to protect us from falsehoods, frauds and felons. Honest Doubt protects us from politicians, publishers, prophets, priests and preachers. If you wish to reclaim your infant questing mind then learn to honestly doubt what others tell you.

HONEST DOUBT IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM.

I AM ASKING YOU TO DOUBT EVERYTHING WHICH I SAY OR WRITE!

Now, when you honestly doubt, you must also check and see if what you are told is the real truth - or not. I would never ask you to believe me. You only believe something when you do not have the facts to prove the matter. If you have the facts to prove the matter, you can NOT believe. WHY? You can not believe because you now KNOW the truth about the subject. So, falsehood trys to give you a false alternative to knowing the facts about a matter.

Falsehood says, "Since I can not prove my claims and statements to you, and since I do not have any real facts to present to you, you must therefore, NOT DOUBT. I can not prove to you that I am right and that I am telling you the truth, so you must now BELIEVE that I am telling you the truth ." This appeal to Belief is usually followed by the threat of some dire and terrible punishment such as, "Or you will go to HELL". This hatred and FEAR of thinking HONESTLY is the intellectual property and ONLY defense of all religiously oriented minds.

The falsehood has told its followers that to think, to honestly question the claims and stories made by them, and to search for the truth of any religious or political matter, is to SIN. To examine BOTH sides of a matter, is to commit a religious SIN.

Think about that!

Do you not know that to honestly doubt wild and baseless claims is the beginning process of thinking? The first step in problem solving and finding the truth of a matter, is to honestly doubt the claims and statements. That clears the air so a person becomes FREE to evaluate and honestly think about the matter. So the falsehood tells you to NOT DOUBT and it tells you to OBEY! People do not even realize that falsehood has told the lie so many times, the lie soon becomes a cultural totem and is accepted as truth. On the other hand, to honestly doubt some wild, unbelievable claim is to sin. I have a question.

COULD AN HONEST, JUST GOD ASK US TO STOP THINKING
AND START BELIEVING?

I do not think so! Notice, I said an HONEST, JUST GOD.


*** Taken from www.jovialatheist.com



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam
Having ANY beliefs is gullible and unnecessary at all. NO ONE should ever believe ANYTHING, PERIOD!


Dude, you're a communist, just deal with it, everyone got the right to hold any belief if they want to. Excuse yourself to magestica and go ask your mom to slap you.

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Salem]



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by m0rbid
why so much hatred? If you don't believe in God, just look away, or start your own "I hate God" topic...

What are your problems? Did she titled her thread "Please convince me I'm wrong about God?"???
Let everyone have their own beliefs dammit...

geez...

Anyone can have their own PRIVATE beliefs. There's no need to try to share them with people who might not want to hear about it. In doing so, she's a troll.



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:47 PM
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So if I believe that tomorrow my alarm-clock will ring a 7 a.m. to wake me up, am I a complete ignorant fool?

Satyr

Man, now you're just being harsh! I do believe it would have fitted more into the "Faith and spirituality" section of BTS, than in a forum about Conspiracies in R. & S., but calling her a troll??? Do you not think their might be some people here actually interested in others people opinion/experience with religion?

Out of the thousands of visitors here, they're certainly more beliefs and philosophy than just atheists and agnostics people. Get real.

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by m0rbid]



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:49 PM
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Not good that you worship nothing or are a 'free thinker'. How can you consider yourself "free" anything if you are going on your own? Why have you turned away from your Father and decided to run about on your own?

When children and teens rebel against their parents and decide to do what they want instead, they have then placed themselves above the love of the mother and father. This is the same thing you have done to God.

What have I gained from believing in God? I gained life, faith, love, hope, belief, trust,compassion,logic,truth,guidence..this list can go on and on. Yes I do feel better about myself now that I have 'chosen' to follow a less solitary path which leads to the unknown.

What do you have? I know you are confused. Do you like the feeling of being confused?

Hitler? I am not his judge. I am not him either. Why are you bringing him up? He's got nothing to do with me and this thread/topic. Let the dead rest and suffer their own consequences. That is Gods job, not mine.

No. I am not wrong. Therefore I admit nothing of which you ask. God does exist. Seek Him and you shall find Him and then you will not have to question or interrogate His followers..God is not a God of confusion, delusion or lies. He loves us and He wants us all to believe in Him. He gave us that choice, He believes in you and I and even believes that when one soul is saved then there is more of a chance for the rest of the souls that are lost.

Did you know that the angels in Heaven sing when 'one' soul is saved?

Stop telling me I'm full of "BS". If you really thought that you wouldn't continue to read my words.

My goal in life? What does it matter what 'my' goal is in life. I'm living and breathing like the rest of us who are alive on this earth. Will telling you about my daily life and goals give you faith in God? Will telling you of my wants and achievements in this body, in this life cause 'you' less confusion?

OK you've chosen not to post here anymore. I didn't force you to read/reply to my post and I have not told you to go away either. Stop seeing things in such a negative way. I don't hate you and I don't know you either.

You threatened me in my post. That is an attack. I have not accused you of anything you have not written.
Magestica









[Edited on 1/7/04 by magestica]



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by namehere
lilblam and a some of you others need to show respect, you are being ignorant jerks to mags, shes not brainwashed or whatever so stop your complaining.

It's as disrespectful to share religious beliefs with people who aren't interested in religion, as it is to spam people with advertisements they didn't ask for. You just don't see that, do you? What if I was to post something about how much I love guitars. It's my religion. Surely there are a few people who share my love for guitar, right? BUT!!! Surely there is also a damn good chance that not everyone here has an interest in something as specific as guitar. Understand? I could go on and on about guitar, and you'd definitely get annoyed if you have absolutely no interest in guitars, correct? For this reason, if I want to post about guitars, I go to a musicians' forum. Why? Because I'm aware of the people around me, and I've seen their faces go blank when I talk about guitars in detail. Just setting the intonation on a Floyd Rose can be a real bitch. Sure, you may have heard of Floyd Rose, and maybe you even know it's a tremolo, but do you really give a flying #? See, I know that guitars are an obsession for me, and that I'll probably talk about them in such a way that most people would get irritated pretty quickly. But, I'm considerate enough not to torture them with my obsession.



Originally posted by m0rbid
Satyr

Man, now you're just being harsh! I do believe it would have fitted more into the "Faith and spirituality" section of BTS, than in a forum about Conspiracies in R. & S., but calling her a troll??? Do you not think their might be some people here actually interested in others people opinion/experience with religion?

Out of the thousands of visitors here, they're certainly more beliefs and philosophy than just atheists and agnostics people. Get real.

The above applies to your post too.

[Edited on 1-7-2004 by Satyr]



posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by lilblam

Originally posted by AlecEiffel

Originally posted by lilblam
So? The government can use mind-control technology to make you hear things also. Aliens can do that too. So if I am telepathic and can talk to you inside your head, will you worship me? Please! This is a control system on this planet, and you're still gullible. So I come to you and tell you some BS thing and you laugh in my face and ask why you should believe me. I say: "Since you're alive, everything I say is true, stupid". And you bow down and worship me. How is that different from what you did?

So what if "Jesus" told him. What if it was Aliens who spy on our thoughts and created our religions in the first place in order to feed on our negative energies as we fight over whose God is better. How do you KNOW it cannot be that possibility? Why do you have to take the word of Jesus or the word of God for it. Jesus even said HIMSELF! He said Satan will appear as an Angel of light to you. So basically, it COULD have been any entity/spirit/soul whatever. Anyone coulda heard you and given you a fake sign to appease you. And you jumped for joy. Please! This is what convinced you? And how do you know it was actually Jesus or God who placed you that message, not Satan in disguse as an Angel of light or whatever. Or an alien who can monitor all human thoughts simultaneously and who created religions to begin with. Hmm?


God works in mysterious ways, Satan does not. I dont think Satan could have lined up everything so perfectly, he doesnt have the power. Only God can, he lined up everything perfectly, from telling me that night, to the next morning reading the same exact thing, from Him listnening to my prayer, to telling my cousin to write me a letter. This is the work of God, not Satan. But, I'll humour you, lets say it was Satan who put those words in my head that night, if it was him (assuming he had the power of coincidence) he would have NEVER led me to the Bible, of all places!! He cant, because he doesnt acknowledge Jesus. The devil couldnt have even told me that in the first place. Evil spirits CANNOT acknowlege Jesus, it says so in the New Testament. And I know it wasnt an evil spirit because they were twisting the truth in anyway, or tricking me, God was only reassuring me of His existence.


ROFL first of all, you KEEP telling yourself that, maybe it'll believe it. Second of all, don't ever underestimate anyone's power. Third, the Bible IS a religious doctrine, it IS the word of Satan.. you know what the true Satan is? Lies, deception, service to self, illusion, controlling. There is no evil or good. There is no God/Satan as entities.

Your mistake in logic is this: YOU ASSUME that the Bible is God's work. What if it's not. You don't KNOW! So why assume? Let's say everything that we do NOT know, we will not assume. So you pray one night and a bunch of coincidences happen and you question who answered you. Why do you ASSUME it was God because that's who you wanted to give you an answer. Why do you assume Satan would not lead you to the Bible, when the Bible is written by liars and controlling SOBS? Wishful thinking that's why. You HOPE in your blissful ignorance that you aren't on a path of self-destruction and ignorance and illusion. What makes you think otherwise?

Here's a question. Why do you think all religions aren't illusions and just deceptions created to fool manking and to start wars over them. What kind of argument can you ever pose against that? I'm not saying that's what it is... but you cannot tell me that's NOT what it is.. because you simply don't know, do you! So why do you assume your answer is divine. Not technological.

You said satan has no power of coincidence? Wtf is power of coincidence
If you mean power of synchronicity, that's not a power. Even I have that power. I can call you and tell you something, then pay my friend to email you with that same thing. Then pay a radio station to just randomly announce the same thing when you drive to work next morning. Then I can pay your boss to accidentally leave you the exact same message in a note on your desk.


So now you're saying that the Bible is the work of satan? I dont know what Bible youve been reading, but the one I read preaches love. Why would Satan preach love...? You make no sense. You keep on digging holes in your own argument. If the Bible was not God's work then I would expect some divine interventation. I think God gives everyone a fair chance, so if that Bible is the work of Satan, then God would have sent down someone else to provide the truth. I cannot account for all, but I can say that God is real, and He is in my life, working wonders everyday, answering my prayers, He exists regardless of what you think of Him.



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