George W Bush: Last President Of The United States Of America ?

If nothing will change what is the point? Your not going to satisfy your mind at all, just eat at it more... We are screwed for getting a decent person in legaly.

I would like to quote someone on ATS:
"My wife got mad at me and asked me the same thing (why I do not run for office) and I told her: If I ran for office, they would shoot me before the prelimanaries."

They own the legal system, the system, the military, the economy, shoot they own it all but for one thing: US. We are still free when it comes to making up our own minds, that they can not change without a lot of hard work, programming and de-education.

Fighting is your choice, submission is your choice, surrender (also submission, but this is a deeper sense of it) is your choice, no one elses.

Remember, the fate of the future rests on the peoples will to fight them, and defeat them, no matter the cost.

Originally posted by Vekar


Remember, the fate of the future rests on the peoples will to fight them, and defeat them, no matter the cost.

That's just it. No one has the WILL to fight them.
What do you suggest?

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by Vekar


Remember, the fate of the future rests on the peoples will to fight them, and defeat them, no matter the cost.

That's just it. No one has the WILL to fight them.
What do you suggest?

fight them how?

They're time will come. That's why God only lets us live for a few decades. Why would you want to save the world. Wouldn't it be great of nuclear war sent us all to heaven? Why are we so afraid of death. We should embrace it.

Fight them how: By whatever means necessary. People have one last slim chance by taking them out of office legaly, after that then we come to the last option: revolution. In short armed resistance to them.

WILLPOWER: people will start to fight if you give them an ounce of hope, if you give them DIGNITY, something to FIGHT FOR. Why would anyone fight if they have nothing to fight for? Why would anyone fight if they are going to recieve no dignity from the ones they support?

Give the people what they have had stripped from them: Hope, Justice, Dignity, Freedom, A FUTURE, JOBS and the biggest one: A HELPING HAND.

For those of you who wish to take up arms and fight:

Was Ghandi's position not that of complete non-violence?

Did the being Jehovah not say:

"Thou shalt not kill."

My ardent wish is for peace and loving humanity amongst all people. We must remember though that we are but a single petal of an infinite blossom.

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE
For those of you who wish to take up arms and fight:

Was Ghandi's position not that of complete non-violence?

Did the being Jehovah not say:

"Thou shalt not kill."

My ardent wish is for peace and loving humanity amongst all people. We must remember though that we are but a single petal of an infinite blossom.

Yeah. You don't want to kill or hurt them, but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind killing you or using violence to get what "they" want.

so what are you gonna choose? Your Life and you're future bloodline, your freedom or your beliefs?

There's a time for everything and if it goes through, i don't believe you're gonna have much patience if you're current little freedom is going to be taking away from by some "NWO" or "Terrorists"

and for the guy that I asked how..

isn't that what I said on page 2 and a few ats members agree on?

[edit on 19-6-2007 by Netami]

Some comments on various threads appear to portray a belief that "once we get a democrat in office we'll all be saved!" This is a fallacy because the relationship between democrats and republicans associated with the NWO elitists is one of "good cop / bad cop" to put it simply.

They are on the same team.

They want the same thing.

1 only needs to look as far as democrat support for the war spending bill or republican support for amnesty to see that!

Both party's administrations have been run by the CFR for decades. Every 4 or 8 years we hear the same crap, "Americans want real change" and then the party's switch and nothing changes. I really liked dgtempe's post on this btw.

I have some hope though. check out the thread titled "The Next President: Member of Shadowy Elite Group. Someone else started it and did a basic run down of who's in any of the groups like Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, etc. I did a bunch more research and posted my results on almost every single candidate there.

We have to promote someone who is not a member of these groups, which is why I like Ron Paul. He knows the system is stacked against him and they'll probably try and kill him but he's willing to risk his life regardless.

We can sit here on a message board and complain about how screwed up everything is or we can do something about it. Fight to make electronic voting illegal in your state, or that it has passed a law requiring a paper record of your vote, then vote for someone who is not a CFR crony, or at least try. If that means you have to register in a party you don't like to vote in the primaries to make it happen then do it. I'm sure Ron Paul would rather be running as a Libertarian or Constitution Party, but has to suck it up and run Republican because otherwise he could not be in the debates, where he is winning, and getting national coverage. Our last 2 presidential elections have been tainted, so there is every reason to think this one will be as well, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

On the organizing, getting ready, and fighting back thing, I agree with Vekar. I reject any notion that we should bend over and take it up the @$$. On the Bible quote, at the time of that translation (1611) the english language only had 30,000 words. The more literal translation today is "you shall not murder". 1 implies pre-meditation or intent, the other does not, and I think the bible also discusses defending ones country in time of war, but i'm not sure where. I'm a Christian but not a theologian and I don't go to church all the time, however, I often come across other Christians who have this similar view that self defense is somehow wrong, and I reject it. I believe this thinking does not stem from Christian teachings as much as socialist guilt tripping upon Christians for the wars and killings and crusades, etc.

We need a resurgence of the militia movement in the U.S. if we are going to be successful. A successful militia resurgence would act as a powerful deterrent. You asked how? Pursue a 2-track approach, or a 2-pronged counter-attack using both political and para-military means. While working hard to get a non-CFR crony elected, also quietly promote and pursue arming yourselves and stock piling supplies. Don't do anything yet except hone your skills, but get yourself, your friends, and your families ready.

Lastly, if your scared about talking about certain things, consider www.hushmail.com. It's free if you log in once every few weeks, and it's very very secure from an encryption standpoint.

Originally posted by Vekar
Fight them how: By whatever means necessary. People have one last slim chance by taking them out of office legaly, after that then we come to the last option: revolution. In short armed resistance to them.

WILLPOWER: people will start to fight if you give them an ounce of hope, if you give them DIGNITY, something to FIGHT FOR. Why would anyone fight if they have nothing to fight for? Why would anyone fight if they are going to recieve no dignity from the ones they support?

Give the people what they have had stripped from them: Hope, Justice, Dignity, Freedom, A FUTURE, JOBS and the biggest one: A HELPING HAND.

I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT ONCE AGAIN. Vekar, you speak for me all the time. God bless you for having common sense and i cant say enough about you. At last, a person with intelligence.

Originally posted by Kelldor
Some comments on various threads appear to portray a belief that "once we get a democrat in office we'll all be saved!" This is a fallacy...

That's certainly a conclusion that I've considered as well. A recent bit that I've read deals with one of Bush's latest EOs which further consolidates executive power.

Source

Bush recently made more moves to consolidate power in the executive branch, signing an order that requires key government agencies to place his political appointees in positions to control policy on health, environmental issues, civil rights and privacy.

These political hacks, appointed without review or approval of Congress, can now “interpret” the laws as they - or their President - see fit without regulatory oversight or a requirement to report to anyone.

However, one part that I found particularly disturbing (as if that wasn't bad enough) was:

Source

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, at Bush’s direction, is advising cabinet secretaries to convert these political appointees to Senior Executive Service (SES) positions...

SES positions are protected by federal civil service, so the policy makers could not be replaced by an incoming President - Democrat or Republican — who follows Bush.

So, It looks like he (and whoever may be "pulling his strings") may be able to maintain broad sweeping controls, regarding policy, even if we have someone else elected to office.

The article was written on January 31st, 2007; so does anyone have any info regarding various appointments having been recently converted to SES positions already?

[edit on 6/19/07 by redmage]

Netami: You asked a question, and I answered. You would be suprised at how some people have common thought processes despite what the government would have us all believe.

Now for the Ghandi part: Ghandi had two things working for him: total support of the people AND the fact the British had a home to go to. The NWO and Elites we currently face do not, they have based themselves here in North America because it is SAFER than elsewhere in the world. We have 2 oceans blocking us off, a gigantic navy, massive nuclear arsenal (over 30,000 nukes) and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
"A ground invasion of the USA would be absolute falacy, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass."
-Yamamoto-
They have the advantage that if anyone invaded the continent not only would people band together, they would fight back with everything they have available. We have who knows how many guns in the USA legally and illegaly. However, for them this is of little concequence so long as they can keep people subdued.
NOW FOR GHANDI AGAIN!
Unlike Ghandi we can not just "kick them out," they will come back, also, they have private armies now, they would just send them out to kill anyone who challanged them. The NAU is an expansion of this, it will give them more population with which to push into the military for cannon fodder, again Ghandi did not face this.

It is one thing to fight an enemy on your own turf, but is foreign to them, and a whole new ball game to fight them not only on YOUR turf, but in their front lawn as well. They are not going to back down, this is a winner takes all situation we are in.

Violence: There are two kinds of violence in the world, the kind that protects and senseless violence. I believe in the first, what about you? If we use the second which is exactly what they use, then we are no better than them. If we use the first to protect the people of the world from them, and also the people of North America since we are in the same sinking boat right now, we are countering them. Violence that is senseless only serves the one or a tiny handful, protective violence is used for the greater good. If you want a more noticable kind of difference here are two examples:
Protective: Male/Female sees a kid getting beat up by X guy, M/F beats X guy to a pulp and gets the kid to safety and calls the police. That is protective, it has a purpose, however I would like to draw another kind but I will reserve that for later in case you do not understand the above.
Senseless: M/F sees a kid on the street with a $5.00 dollar bill in his hand headed for a candy store, M/F has $10 million in the bank, $2000 in cash on them. They turn the kid to a bloody stump just to have $5.00 USD more.

Note the vast differences between the two. I use the first, not the second.

Lastly: I am not christian, I am a Sokugaki Buddist. And before anyone says "arnt buddist non-violent?" well your wrong, horribly wrong. The Japanese are Buddists, remember WW2? Go look the Shaolin Monks and the number they did on invaders, or look up the Tibetan Buddist monks and what a number they did on the invading Chinese when Mao was in power. So there is no "thou shalt not kill" for me but there is a "thou shalt not murder."

Murder is killing senselessly, killing is act you undertake for a reason.

I'm buddhist as well.

I was going to fight if they try taking stuff away is all i'm saying.
Let them start with me or my family and we'll see what happen.

I believe in the first one too

There will be no world war 3 i think bush and co are all clever enough to realise that if there is a world war 3 world war 4 will be thought with sticks and stones as einstein once famously said.

What would any of these people have to gain from this? nothing! Why are you people so paranoid, dont you have anything else to do but just sit at your desk and drag up hear say from off the internet?

Troll. Obviouse troll. Even joined today to boot.

Well since you have only been here for less than 12 hours I suggest you read over the website more, right now you are just babling nonsense. IF and I stress IF (trolls never read, but I do this for everyones sake so they will not have too) you read over the website and the oh so many topics on the NWO... You will know we are not paranoid who so ever, we are being very factual about this.

Educate yourself Lethaldose. Educate yourself.

Educate my self in what?

A mighty big mouthful of paranoia? You can talk about what you like but do you (or anyone else on this board for that matter) really think you know what goes on in this world?

Fact of the matter is none of you do! You all speculate about speculation, when the truth is 90% of the links to various websites is just a total load of bull#. These people dont know anything about anything. And you take it in like a sponge.

Thats the only facts in these threads.

You have the audacity to tell me that i have not read, i have been reading. i joined only today because i wanted to give you my point of view on the matter.

There will be no war this year, next year or the year after.

George bush will not end up being a dictator!

I will be here next year laughing at you all. And if not il kiss each and everyone of your asses!

Settle down mate.

I'm not saying that i agree with everything on this site either. I don't agree that Bush will be a dictator. I don't think there will be a war soon. I don't think that the world will end in 2012.

All i'm saying is educate yourself. There are things happening in the world that need peoples attention.

Trust me. I think that 80% of the talk on this site is crap. But there are some truths and some information that is right.

This site is great for information. That's all. Just fight through the clutter.

Prepare to pucker up Lethaldose. Do a little research on the Nazi rise to power. People did not have the internet in the late 1930's but there was still a lot of people that did not trust the Nazi party and left Germany before the war. I'm sure the conversations back in the day would have been similar to this one, the difference is that smart people didn't listen to people like you and got out, the sheeple sat there saying "there's nothing to worry about, you're all being paranoid". Then they "were just following orders" when they murdered 6 million Jews.


[edit on 19-6-2007 by orthisguyoverhere]

Now i thought you would get all paranoid and tell me the pursecution of the jews never happend!

Well, there must be something you are paranoid about. Otherwise you wouldn't be on this thread.