Wrong galaxy, I am afraid!

Twaddle

An article on a TV network website.

Based on a discussion thread in a forum dedicated to 'alternative' therapies.

On this basis it is to be accepted that all 'published science' is wrong and a revolution in how we see ourselves in relation to the universe has taken place?

What frantic twaddle.



[edit on 29-6-2007 by Astyanax]

Although U of VA scientists may or may not have found it easy to pass the buck to a backwater debunker in order to not have to actually take up the latest discoveries and debate, the truth still needs to be told.

The truth of the matter has not changed but actually become more specific:

curezone.com...

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Dare to trust that you can actually apply yourself and figure out for yourself on a specific point of the most advanced astrophysics applicable to the enclosed article whether this writer knows what he is in fact relating in the article as newer, more advanced science than the current astroscience personnel sought for opposing comment whose aim may be to simply browbeat the apparent novice into a submissive acceptance without actually allowing for specific checking up on the specific fact being discussed. In my studied opinion all of the rebuttal points made in so called debunker rants are simply based on their contrary opinion and their results conveniently parrot old science and old non-applicable paradigms simply non commensurate with the actual latest data and discoveries issued just weeks ago by mainstream science. Those rebutting may sing and dance but I am not amused when truth can so easily become a casualty in an application that actually matters in the real world to real people. The astrosciences are usually seen as foundationally more theoretical and not usually having to mesh with the actual lives of specific individuals walking the planet who maybe currently seeking relevant life planning answers for important choices and decision making as regards the future. To follow standard procedure and attempt to whitewash, to speed the process along whilst possibly parroting old science-- does not make the grade and is rightly seen as being possibly disingenuous.

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I'm amazed at this thread.

People here in the know don't believe "anyone's" word...

They dig for themselves all the way to the exact specific and hold it in their hand.

Those that want early resolution can decide to settle at any time in the process, and that is a free will choice to settle before the actual facts are arrived at. I see it all the time in technical fields when techs whitewash the novice seeking a pat on the head and an assurance that "all is fine".

be 'lie' ve

uhg!

Scientists and technicians can easily pull slight of hand tricks on those with lessor knowledge seeking a pat on the head and a religioscience equivelant -assurance that they "will not go to hell" : )

Don't you "be 'lie' ve" it!

You are too smart to fall for it!

You prostrate yourself because they have one up on you in rank but are clearly 'no smarter' than even the researcher/ discoverer who simply googles the very latest discoveries and dares to brilliantly apply these with guts in real time to the focus at hand.

You are a gem bluebird. Dare to leave off of your worship of these a**w**es that lack the deep resolution and devotion to unadulterated truth that you evidence...

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[edit on 29-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

It is good now that we now take a wait and see attitude...

rather than simply jumping to what are simply "too simplistic a set of conclusions..."

The readers here know better...

..that there has got to be a whole lot more to the story and they are simply and wisely holding out to see how this pans out before jumping to a conclusion to sweep this under the rug... with so many plain as the nose on your face proofs already out of the bag.

We forget that this is the real world of status quo and competition, degrees, hoops, rights of passage peer review, and tenured clubs etc.

'Bad astronomy' was simply brought in as the hatchet man to try to see if he could easily be rid of the independent and his so called "new discoveries" without having to spend time and effort looking into the matter, actually having to get all involved at no net gain to himself as already the lead scientist.

It is important to note that:

An astrophysicist is not usually seen to make comments one way or the other unless as a published peer reviewed article and that is in relation only to discoveries that are on the mainstream radar or placed there newly by those of the mainstream club.

He works under funding and there are very specific status quo constraints on such in his profession. He is not a self employed independent by any means.

He could not bring himself to break those status quo rules because he sees no reason to on the face of it without actually looking into it or the supporting substantiation discoveries yet...

Even if he did look into it, he would be just having to reduce his own standing in the limelight as already one of the lead authors in the study, and would not either get new money or new credit for any aspect of the new discoveries and in effect become a 'has been', and that to an untenured, un-degreed upstart in his eyes... regardless of the discovery. Matt is not in the club.

What incentive is there for this lead scientist to have to take a lessor status or positioning..?

If he is at all aware of what the precursor discoveries mean for astrophysics... that is... how in-and-of themselves these will be laying to waste much of the current relevant science,
he is possibly deciding he is simply not going to be the one who helps usher in the shakeup overnight and unseat he and all his colleagues from their well tenured status, power and authority in their positions. (Cont.)

The arguments made by the new discoveries are in and of themselves so new that neither the lead scientist or the bad astronomy site had actual knowledge of them. or even had a chance to fully study what they mean to the science they focus on yet.

Because some are actually looking to them as giving an instant authoritive say in these matters this should be an all important factor for us:

This is the updated copy on Matt's blog on the topic:




We as a Solar System are traveling in a whole different direction than the Sciences previously understood or thought possible:

DISCOVERY #1). The ABC News Release Discovery:
SOLAR SYSTEM & MILKY WAY DOING THE SPLITS [ABC-NEWS-LINK]:

LINKS:
abc.net.au...


In a breakthrough mainstream Science News Release only just weeks ago, information obviating a Sagittarius Dwarf parent connection as completely plausible was released evidencing our Solar System was actually formed in a whole different elemental galactic setting -- one of Aluminum [Dwarf Galaxy Genesis] rather than Iron [Milky Way Genesis]. The release [below] stated plainly breakthrough data completely contrary to what the Sciences previously understood or even thought possible.

DISCOVERY #2). OUR SOLAR SYSTEM STARTED WITH A NUDGE AND NOT A BANG

LINKS:
space.newscientist.com...




Such information has proven both so extraordinary and so completely new that coupled with theories potentially turned discoveries below, an entirely new set of conclusions may possibly be in order. Notwithstanding, no completely definitive official mainstream science announcement is projected to be forthcoming from the mainstream science community yet as a whole for some time involving the foregoing discoveries listed below. As a matter of course, individual scientists do not make definitive statements without published peer review so that the highest degree of accuracy is maintained. This very release is available to you to read in advance today because a researcher/ discoverer found outside of the standard peer review publishing avenue for a given discipline automatically defers directly to the internet as the stage to launch the actual peer review process. As such it is still subject to much controversy until such time as the multiple teams of scientists across the globe have had opportunity to properly weigh the data and full implications of what it all in fact means. No pronouncements either for, or against this body of work by any one individual at any positioning are therefore considered as definitive until such time.


curezone.com...



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Originally posted by Scienceguy
In a breakthrough mainstream Science News Release only just weeks ago, information obviating a Sagittarius Dwarf parent connection as completely plausible was released evidencing our Solar System was actually formed in a whole different elemental galactic setting -- one of Aluminum [Dwarf Galaxy Genesis] rather than Iron [Milky Way Genesis]. The release [below] stated plainly breakthrough data completely contrary to what the Sciences previously understood or even thought possible.

Bunch of nonsense. Our sun has a higher than average amount of Iron content, even for a milky way star, it certainly didn't come from a heavy metal poor dwarf galaxy. Additionally, our velocity relative to globular clusters and other stars in the milky way firmly establishes the sun's orbit as being in the plane of the milky way NOT the sagittarius dwarf. Lastly, at some point in our orbit it is possible to draw a line from the sun through the earth to a point very near the center of the milky way - this is not possible with regards to the sagittarius dwarf stream. Oh, and when I tried to go to the abc au site it tried to give my computer a worm but failed. Thanks for that. Last time I try to visit a pure pseudoscience article.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by ngchunter]

what if your wrong?
what if we're right?
this could be what the mayans were talking about an age where nothing is as we know it (I like that interpretation better). where we enter an age where all we have is change. maybe the mayans went through a part of the milky way galaxy and all the creatures around them evolved and they knew it'd happen again.

as to all these alien therories i've heard if they are real maybe they are trying to search this new part of the galaxy to find intelligent life. they know the universe is loaded with them since they have made contact with other aliens. the main reason an alien race wouldn't just land on a planet and start enveloping them into their society is all the danger this could warrent esspecially without being able to speak our language. We're not the first realitivly "primitive" race they have tryed to contact.

I am going to keep this short sweet and to the point. I have a hard time crediting anything posted by someone who continually infers that those who disagree with this theory are intellectually inferior. Its kind of like the folks in the 9/11 forum who call you a shill if you disagree with the holographic plane theory.

One question though, if this turns out to be true, and it is going to cause the world to end in 2012. What do you propose we do about it?

Stumbled across this thread, very interesting, but I was wondering if there has been any further information come forward to connect this to global warming, solar activity and the whole 2012 debate?

Regards

Berth

i heard of this a few years ago.this is old news; -P