Wrong galaxy, I am afraid!

It is known that Milky way is orbited by 2 bigger galaxies Large and small Magellanic Cloud and dwarf galaxies :Canis Major Dwarf (the closest), Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy, Ursa Minor Dwarf, Sculptor Dwarf, Sextans Dwarf, Fornax Dwarf, and Leo I Dwarf. Carina Dwarf, Draco Dwarf, and Leo II Dwarf.

Who knows how more of them are out there undetected .

Milky Way is rotating system and we revolve around the center of the galaxy every 200 mil years at about 800 000 km/h - not just sideways, but we may also jump up and down, along the way. Our sun thus (as is known to astronomers) completed 23 orbits.

I do not see connection or any proof that our solar system is part of SEDG!?

Can you elaborate on this? Do you have some evidence to the contrary you could explain or link. Or maybe just make more sense of the evidence presented in the articles.

I would love to know for certain either way. If truth it's a rather staggering discovery.

Also, if true, what are your thoughts on the mergers hypothetical link between our global weather changes (again, as presented in the article)?

it takes time. they first photographed pluto in 1916 and didnt 'discover' it till '31.

to OP, incredible find. good job, thank you.

i knew i shouldve taken that left turn in Albuquerque but seriously thats a good find

"My God, it's full of stars"

This is unbelievable!

Great find, here I am thinking we are in a stable galaxy and actually we are in the middle of a galatic collision!

I have found one link that this discovery was published May 11th in Science journal!

Science Journal

Here is another source, with a link to search for the abstract

Another source

One news link from ABC Australia!

ABC Link

From what I see this appears to be real, but it will probably have to be confirmed by other scientist and studied! What earth shaking news and all they show is Paris Hilton!

Thanks for the Thread!

This is amazing stuff -- and I got to have a paradigm shift before 8:00 a.m.

This part, though:




could provide an answer to those believing in creationism, who always ask how life started here -- since we don't know, "god" must have done it.

Perhaps life was seeded on our planet during one of our prior passages through the Milky Way.

It is very easy to 'elaborate' - just read the link that is 'supporting' the idea - University Virginia:




So nowhere is the statement like:

supported in any way by scientific link Virg. Univ.

What is the real case of climate changes on Earth - or for that matter in the hole solar system -I do not know... but it is always nice and kind of eye catching if you throw the Mayans 2012...


There are a lot of stuff, that could affect Earth's climate,( Milankovic Theory):*** like eccentricity of Earth's revolution around Sun, which varies over period of approximately 100 000 years (changes from elliptical to circular and back to elliptical orbit -than there would be difference in received solar energy)

*** or due to a precession of the equinox every 26 000 years :



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Why wouldn't we talk about possibility that our smaller arm of Milky Way disc merge in big Sagittarius ( not to be confused with galaxy - I am talking about Sagittarius constellation) arm?

In this scenario- there is also a famous myth about great celestial 'snake'?

image source: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/spitzer/Halloween-Snake-animate-730.gif




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And 'so thick - that you could not see a thing..'... no stars on sky..just pitch black - that is my idea about 'dark matter'- we just do not have infra red vision...

So,why thread title 'Wrong Galaxy'? As I posted before, our Milky Way ( as one very big galaxy) has satellites smaller galaxies ...and a bigger neighbors like Big and Little Maglleanic Cloud or big Andromeda galaxy in which, astronomers predict - that we will one day merge with....after that we hit the direction of Virgo Cluster as the rest of our all of local galaxies.


1994 discovery by Ibata, Irwin and Gilmore - changed the notion of our nearest intergalactic neighbor - before it was Large Magellanic Cloud.
But in 2003 Sagittarius lost its title to newly discovered Canis Major Dwarf.


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Some astronomers think that Sagittarius Elliptic Dwarf Galaxy has strong similarities with Large Magellanic Cloud.
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Bluebird's got the right explaination here, and the original blog article has a number of errors (incluidng the Mayan stuff.)

For the record, this is real research and the professor is associated with NASA. Her previous papers that analyze the "heliosphere" (the sun's solar wind) are the basis for her current paper. From what I see, the data all looks solid.

Here's a list of news stories about her and her research (nice and readable stuff, folks) :
physics.gmu.edu...

As Blue Bird cited, the galaxy isn't going anywhere though we do pass through the zone where the galactic merge took place. No, the Mayans didn't know about this. Last time we were in this position was 240 million years ago, which was 10-20 million years after the "age of the dinosaurs" began.



But they aren't saying that the solar system was part of the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy.


Blue Bird also makes a good point with:


Yes, it's eye-catching and everyone will give it a lot of attention if you just add "2012" into the mix. But the last time we passed through this area, there wasn't a global climate change that caused one of the great extinctions. So the Mayan connection is just someone literally trying to prove their idea that something MUST happen in 2012.

Will it? Scholars who study the calendar say "no" (I'm talking about the ones who can actually read the Mayan and Aztec language, not armchair scholars who have read books.) The Mayan calendar appears to have been created before 36 BC... but not much earlier than that. There are Maya inscriptions that show dates after 2012 as well (no prophecies, just dates.) Before they developed the long count calendar, they used a 52 year calendar.
en.wikipedia.org...

Anyway, let's follow up on this one and see what she publishes in Science. Should be interesting.

Sometimes I'm surprised with the amount of ignorance around here and uncritical acceptance of everything thats spouted on the internet.

That article on curezone is a load of crap and the original source (sited by that article itself) NEVER says that our solar system is a part of another galaxy.

Check it out here astsun.astro.virginia.edu...
Read the original paper here astsun.astro.virginia.edu... instead of misinterpretations by some nutter. The only thing thats happening is that solar system is going through remains of another galaxy with is merging with milky way. This happens many times and is NOTHING special.

Hmm I wasn't trying to sound like I was in opposition. I just wanted to learn more and see if there was any merit to what I mistakenly thought the article was claiming i.e that we belonged to another galaxy and were merging with the MYG. I read the articles but I must have read a little too fast. Thanks for the reply and info.

Thanks Bryd for further explanation and link on Maya archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History Susan Milbratah.


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...... maybe people should be reminded of human/children sacrifice on an extensive scale- pulling out the hearts for pleasing Itzamna, the lord of the 'fire and the heart'....

i wonder if this will fuel further debate about the planet that comes into contact with earth every couple thousand years...sorry atm i dont really remember the name just the basic story.

Just watched the animations. Very interesting theory.

Every galactic collision though shows that both galaxies change and yet we do not know how our "new home" galaxy has reacted.

What a coincidence, I'm currently selling a bridge to a couple of mayans. I'll let you all know how it turns out. Mayans!

(Ok, let's see. We have Al Gore, global warming, galaxies colliding... lets throw in some Mayans for good measure, (and their "most accurate" calander in the world... it's the calaneder I use at home.)

I am no expert in any of this. So the fact that our galaxy is merging with another is causing our planet the heat up slightly?!!???

What about what that would do to gravity? And the gravitational pull the planets have on each other?

This stuff reminds me more and more of that tabloid called the "Sun" or whatever. "Bigfoot Seen On The Moon".

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It was "Nibiru" and the planet came into contact with the Earth in 2003.

What... you missed it? So did everyone else. The Nibiru flap was started by someone who channeled aliens. She's still around, still spouting nonsense, still saying that the planet is coming through "any day now."

Velikovsky also tried to say that Venus did this.

Both of them are ignorant of the fact that Earth civilizations have had writing for over 7,000 years and not one of these civilizations has ever recorded a giant planet cruising by (before you try to debunk that, first check with the ORIGINAL sources... what the people really wrote and not what some web page said they wrote.)

Master P anyone?

AAC

Here is a little bit from an older source about the position of our solar system and its movement.

I put together a page to answer the question "What is the Speed of Earth" for some students and this data naturally has to be a part of the calculations.

(It goes to how many different directions we are moving through space...

The article/collection is here...

What is the Speed of the Earth?

The relevant article is this...



Stanford University

So effectively we are bobbing up and down like a cork with a 250 light year "bob" either way of center... And as they say we are currently moving out and away and crossed the galactic plane 2 million years agao, that kinda puts the Mayan "Galactic Alignment" in 2012 to rest

(Note: It has been said to me that its not an actual alignment, but an astrological one)

In either case I will be watching this new data closely. I have heard for some time now from NASA sources that the global warming is a result of the "new region of space" we are moving into...

This new data seems to fit in with that.

To the poster who asked about that planet... its Nibiru, the Annunaki homeworld...

But as has been mentioned, I see nothing at the University sites that mention either the Mayans or Anunnaki theory....

My general rule when I do a search for info is ("looking for this data" -blog -thread) Gets much better results

Now don't go spreading this little secret around

And if you go to my site about the Speed of the Earth...

I hope you don't get motion sickness...

And if there are any rocket scientists out there... we need to get accurate measurements... because with all those vectors and speeds... its gonna be really tough to find your way home

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Off topic an on....

On topic, Wonderious news either way up and down, love to hear the info about our planet in relationship to its celestrial movemtn and proximity, So they are saying we are moving thru this galactic intersection and nothing more then some light shows will happen if that?

and Off topic, Got to admit 2012 has made some incredible movement thru human thought process, as well to our planets activity, Without proof thoe this will just seem like some cracker jack scholar crud. But also things in our world seem to be comming into a injuction of some sort, wether is be simple non-correct relationship to the mayans or actually celestrial involvment to our earths Geolocial movments, got to wonder how our HUGE vast seas drained and caused deserts now, how and why land rises and falls, and what in any sense made acient civilizations write about odd occurences in earths history past, present and future. ( i understand techtonic plates and such, but what about the Electro-magnetics that cause them to happen, could they be related to our point in space and its surrounding stars and planets fields?>)

All Speculation of course, Proof wont save us, only the preperation for the non-happening events will lol.

Dont quote me and flame me about speculation, or call me ignorant for speculating like many have in the past. Without speculation we would just keep saying much of what isnt true. Becuz proof wouldnt always be of easy availability.

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My astrological sign is Sagittarius.............I wonder if it means more weird stuff is going to happen to me.