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Topic started on 16-6-2007 @ 02:07 PM by twitchy
I am issuing an open challenge to anyone here on ATS to debunk the 9-11 related information presented in this film...
video.google.com...

It's feature length, 1 hour 40 minutes, so pop some popcorn and sit a spell. Have at it, if you can debunk the piece in it's entirety, you will have struck a major blow to the conspiracy theorists contentions that 9-11 was an inside job.


reply posted on 17-6-2007 @ 11:14 AM by johnlear
Originally posted by Fowl Play


With respect, i think you should be careful in your assumptions, unless of course you can back your allegations up with evidence


The evidence has been outlined and presented in numerous threads here n ATS. I don't think there is any doubt (at least for the informed, thinking individual) that the government was complicit and active in the perpertration of the 911 fiasco.

, but as of yet, i have seen absolutely no evidence to suggest " The Government" did it,


Then you haven't been paying attention. First of all you need to know that those of us who blame the 'government' are referring to 'those in control of the alleged hijackers, the alleged hijacked planes, the remote controlled planes (if any), NORAD, the FAA, the U.S. Air Force and the entire news media at the time of 911'. If you have another definition of 'government' I would like to see it. As far as the 'evidence' to back up their involvement you need to take these specific steps. First of all check to see that your computer switch is in the "ON" position. Then check to see that the monitor switch is in the "ON" position. That should get you off to a good start.

i very much dispute that,


And that is your right, but you really should look at the facts.

and it is a dangerous accusation to make.


The word 'dangerous' here has me wondering. Are you making some sort of threat and if so is that threat on behalf of the government? You should know that the preservation of Freedom is, in fact, a dangerous business. Those who espouse the concept of freedom will not be intimidated or cowed by threats of 'danger'.

Correct me if i am wrong.


Yes, please allow me. You are wrong if you belive the government had no connection with and was not specifically complicit with the perpetration of 911.

You are wrong to threaten anyone here with 'danger' for believing that the government was complicit in the perpetration of 911. If you represent a body or part of the 'government' and are threatening us on their behalf you need to make that clear by naming who it is you represent and who you are.

But whoever you are and whoever you represent you are welcome to post here as long as you eliminate your implied threats. Thanks.


reply posted on 17-6-2007 @ 03:01 PM by twitchy
The first time I watched this piece, not knowing what to expect, I was awestruck at the sheer amount of material he covers and manages to do it in an entertaining enough format to launch it out of the documentary category so much of the 9-11 and terrorism related material is stuck in and straight into film, if not dramatic genius.
The second time I watched it, I had a notepad and a finger on the pause button and took notes to fact check and compare with my own research, and this guy to best of my knowlege has done his homework.
As to why I posted this in the WOT forum and not the 9-11 forum was because the subject of this piece is an alleged murder of John O'Neil, probably the FBI's top man in Counter Terrorism who was chosen to head the efforts against Al Quaeda. In this war on terror, he was the go to man. He took a job after his investigations were railroaded as the head of security at the World Trade Center, 9-11-01, assumably replacing Marvin Bush.

Edit:
I thought this was a creepy quote on the wikipedia site...

Source
O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center in August 2001. (According to New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, "That Tuesday (9-11) was his first or second day on the job.") He was appointed by Kroll Associates, namely by the controversial managing director Jerome Hauer. Later that month, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, “Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again.” O'Neill replied, “Well actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again.”

O'Neill's remains were recovered from the World Trade Center site on September 22, 2001 and identified by Jerome Hauer. [1], although Richard Clarke would later recall that only "parts of" O'Neill had been recovered.[2]

Jerome Hauer identified his remains personally.

[edit on 17-6-2007 by twitchy]


reply posted on 18-6-2007 @ 12:09 PM by twitchy
I found a really good write up of just some of the problems John O'Neil had with officials in his efforts to investigate various terrorist acts. The more I read about his efforts and how they were railroaded, the angrier it makes me, and the more it becomes apparent that something just doesn't smell right about the events of and leading up to 9-11.
Find something to bite down on, you'll need it, and have a read...
www.unknownnews.net...

Again this thread is an open challenge, I feel like that guy in the Highlander Movie wondering around the battle field saying "fight me!", so far not a single skeptic has stepped forward in either thread. I'm intensely interested in getting a second opinion and I wish there was some way I could sweeten the deal for somebody. Is there any way for me to offer a say 500 or a thousand of my ATS points in exchange for a reasonable effort to debunk this piece, or something?
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