If Lee Harvey didnt shoot kennedy, who shot the cop (J. D. Tippit), page 2
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reply posted on 7-7-2007 @ 10:26 PM by jarheadjock
IDK if this has been shown or anything yet on here. And i think that whats on the website is what has already been reviewed more then likely on the website.

www.jfkmurdersolved.com...


But its up to you guys to find the discrepencies or debunk it or whatever. i was too lazy to make up a thread for this website and since some of the ppl who replied here already know some stuff about it and i would rather leave it to them to reply to this rather then making a new thread and having anybody say something.

[edit on 7-7-2007 by jarheadjock]

EDIT: IF you guys go to the website then click on the bullets on the left side, and choose which one to read.

[edit on 7-7-2007 by jarheadjock]


reply posted on 8-7-2007 @ 01:15 PM by Badge01
dr_strangecraft

I just went back and read your reply, and I think it's good. Appreciate that.

One thing that I think would need to be explained before one might accept your theory would be Oswald's comment "Everybody will know who I am now".

To me, saying this to the DPD or the public would not be something a KGB guy would say, though it would be something that someone who thought they were working undercover, specifically the FBI, might say. They're asking, in effect, to come in "out of the cold".

I do think there's ample evidence for their being 'two Oswalds', though I can't figure how that his mother Marguerite wouldn't recognize him; or for that matter, his brother Robert.

Any thoughts on those?

I suppose maybe someone from the government might have contacted his immediate family at some point and said 'dummy up, help us, we had to replace Lee with our Agent', or something like that. I'd expect that to come out, though, after the fact.

It appears that Hosty, Oswald's alleged FBI contact thought he was working for the FBI. I suppose that he could have been a KGB cover agent.

I always considered that Marina was a good candidate for being the KGB connection, but it probably makes sense that it was Oswald. I don't think someone managed by the FBI would have been fired by J-C-S, though it could have been opportunistic for either a KGB spy or an FBI asset who might have seen the possibilities of working in a print house. I can see someone who 'fancied themselves' as an 'agent' thinking they could work a job like this. Hard to say why he was such a failure or would start fights. That's not very stealthy.



reply posted on 27-10-2007 @ 02:23 PM by Badge01
reply to post by racerzeke


You mentioned why Jackie (seemingly) was not hit in the face with either bullet fragments or blood and tissue.

Good question.

If you plot the head shot from a relatively low angle, say from the Dal-Tex building, then she'd be pretty much to the side of the path of the bullet or the ejecta.

From the TSBD, she's still off the front quadrant.

From the front, (say from a bridge storm drain) she would again be off to the side of most trajectories.

But what I wonder is why she didn't get a face full of bone and blood if there really was a GN shot.

IMO, either:
1. the GN shot was a distraction and/or miss;
2. the shot was from the front and the ejecta hit the motorcycle cop (which it did; Officer Bobby Hargis); or,
3. the Zapruder film may have been edited (i.e. there was not the explosion of blood and brain tissue into the air for two frames [2/24th of a second]

Once you consider that there was a G'mint conspiracy then as far as the Tippet shooting goes, istm that it would be strange if it was -not- connected/contrived/misdirection/set up by (one of) the conspiracy factions.

Blaming it on Oswald was just a clumsy attempt to tie up loose ends, imo.


reply posted on 28-10-2007 @ 10:16 PM by dr_strangecraft
I just want to note that two people don't have to agree on all points, to be worthy of respect. I'm not completely convinced of my own hypothesis; just playing around in the laboratory of ideas. Hope you take my posts in that light.


Originally posted by Badge01


One thing that I think would need to be explained before one might accept your theory would be Oswald's comment "Everybody will know who I am now".



Yes. I can think of a number of ways he could have meant that. Here are a few:

- Everyone will know who I am now: the greatest patsy of the 20th century.

- Everyone will know who I am now: A KGB agent who was suckered into a false flag operation, and who thought he was working for his country, but was secretly "run" on behalf of _____(insert conspiracy here)______ ."

- Everyone will know who I am now, Wencislaus Czermancec, a czech national . . . .

- Everyone will know who I am now, a FBI agent.

- Everyone will know who I am now, Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone . . . . but I'm no longer a nobody.


See, you can spin that statement any way you want.



I do think there's ample evidence for their being 'two Oswalds', though I can't figure how that his mother Marguerite wouldn't recognize him; or for that matter, his brother Robert.


Robert never spent more than holidays with Lee after he (Lee) was more than about ten years old. Then there were whole years that Oswald was away from the family. Years in the Marines, over a year in Russia, a year in Dallas. In fact, I believe it's safe to say that "Oswald" spent more time with his immediate family in the months before the shooting that he had in the previous decade. This might definitely cause some uncertainty among his family.

Second, it's important to remember how heavily the city police and FBI 'leaned' on the whole family. Once the family had claimed oswald in 1962, after his return from the Soviet Union, they could hardly admit in November 1963 that he wasn't "really" their kin. I think the government has acted like Oswald was definitely a psychopath, and his mother had not been a good parent--an accusation the average working woman in 1960's America would not have felt empowered to counter, coming from the govt.

So, what would have made them accept him in 1962? Well, if he had brought money with him, it would have certainly eased any suspicions the family might have had. If they shared any of his professed anti-capitalist sympathies, they might not have minded and imposter.

His wife would never have said anything in any case--if she'd raised questions, she would have been deported . . .



I suppose maybe someone from the government might have contacted his immediate family at some point and said 'dummy up, help us, we had to replace Lee with our Agent', or something like that. I'd expect that to come out, though, after the fact.


Agreed. In america's tell-all culture, something would have come out. Unless they had something to cover up, themselves. Something, like taking hush money to provide him cover. Or helping him in ways that ultimately furthered the assassination work. Then I would expect them to never say a word, for fear of outrage and prosecution.


I always considered that Marina was a good candidate for being the KGB connection, but it probably makes sense that it was Oswald. I don't think someone managed by the FBI would have been fired by J-C-S, though it could have been opportunistic for either a KGB spy or an FBI asset who might have seen the possibilities of working in a print house. I can see someone who 'fancied themselves' as an 'agent' thinking they could work a job like this. Hard to say why he was such a failure or would start fights. That's not very stealthy.


I might have it wrong, but I didn't think Oswald was fired--I thought he quit.

Regardless of the ultimate truth, even it it was a lone gunman, I think a lot of authorities, even JCS, are too embarrased to EVER give us the whole story. And that embarrasment increases with the passing of time, instead of lessening.

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reply posted on 30-10-2007 @ 06:56 PM by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by racerzeke
Now for the parts I dont understand..... Why would he kill the president then go home where he is semi safe and then go outside down main street where he has to know he might be looked for


I'll play this like an optometrist.

I'm going to have you look through different sets of lenses. I'll show you a view, and then I'm going to ask you, "better, or worse?" Or I might ask "which seems more clear, A or B? Here's A . . . and here's B." Then you decide which lenses fit best for you.

Let's begin.

One: either Oswald knew there was going to be a shooting that morning, or he didn't. Do you think he expected an assasination, or was he a total patsy. You decide. If he was a complete patsy, then the conversation is over.

If he expected someone to get shot in Dallas that morning, then he must have had an idea of what would happen in the aftermath of the shooting. Even if it wasn't a rock-solid "plan," it was at least an idea. So now ask yourself: Are his actions when he goes to the apartment in Oak Cliff the actions of a person following a plan, or they the actions of someone who is improvising as they go?

Next. When he gets the gun, and goes out to a major thoroughfare, and reverses direction, then changes again and gets on a bus, is that the action of someone who is still following the plan, or has the plan been scrapped, and now he's improvising?

Did something change along the way? Did Oswald act like a "man with a plan" when he left the Texas School book despository? Or was he improvising? At some point, he gets the plan to make it to his apartment; a plan that he accomlished. Then he left his apartment, and his actions seem sort of improvized. Perhaps the new plan quickly fell apart?

Your own answers to those questions are probably more interesting than mine. . . .

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reply posted on 5-7-2008 @ 07:59 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by goose


You have it mixed up. George Bush Sr was photographed in front of the Texas School Book Depository shortly after it happened. Badge Man, discovered by Gary Mack, is on the grassy knoll. He looks to have a police uniform on and a badge and some kind of insignia on his arm which may mean he was a member of The John Birch Society or some other nazi-like group.


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 12:50 AM by starviego
The evidence that put Oswald on the scene of the Tippit murder has always been scant. The eyewitnesses didn't ID him, the shell casings at the scene were from a semi-automatic not the revolver Oswald owned, and timeline problems with Oswald making it to the scene by walking at the time Tippit was shot. A couple of the witnesses said two assailants were at the scene.

Early speculation on the role of Tippit said he was there to make sure the designated patsy would be shot "resisting arrest" but somehow Oswald got the drop on him first.

Others say Tippit's job was to move the conspirators out of the area to another location, but they became suspicious of him and shot him preemptively.

It is known that soon after the assassination every single Dallas PD officer on duty was ordered to Dealey Plaza, with the exception of JD Tippet and another officer, who were ordered to wait at their locations. It is also known that just before Oswald left his room, his landlady said two officers pulled up to the curb in a cruiser and honked twice.

And to complicate matters, a couple of witnesses said Tippit was seen at Jack Ruby's nightclub and knew both Ruby and Oswald.

45 years later, while others aspects of the assassination have been cleared up, the Tippet connection is as vague as ever. No one has ever proposed a beleivable theory of why Tippet was killed or who did it. Rosetta Stone or red herring? You decide.




[edit on 9-7-2008 by starviego]


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