Originally posted by AllSeeingI
You have misinterpreted my intent of posting this thread. You think I hate Bush because he has a history DUI, Alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is not
true. These traits do not make for a bad human-being.
And you have misinterpreted the intent in my post by assuming that every single word, or any at all, were directed directly at you. But what you did
next was not a simple case of misunderstanding, it was an outright fabrication on your part. Not once did I say in my thread that you, or any else
for that matter, hated Bush because of his alcohol and drug-abusing past! Nor would I even venture to guess the root cause of your obvious hatred of
our president. And he is our
president whether we like him or not, just as Bill Clinton was the president for all
However these are not traits any elected official should have. I am not mad at Bush for drinking a beer, be it near-beer or the real-thing. What
disgusts me is his attempt at hiding it and his advisors lame attempt at a cover-up. They cover up his and Cheney's DUI's, and Bush's coc aine
I hope for the sake of the free world that I'm not the only one who picked up on this... But do you realize that not only are you presenting these
allegations of Bush drinking alcoholic beer in Germany as FACT, but you are even more sadly accepting them yourself as FACT? The irony is that later
on in this rant of your's you insult me for "blindly following" the "right-wing media" such as Fox News, while you blindly accept the allegations
of a "left-wing media" source. Do you just automatically accept each word printed in your favorite publications (regardless of their political
leanings)as Gospel? You would think that someone on a site like ATS would at least posess the common sense to not believe everything they read-
Rasputin13 is a typical brain-washed right-wing hack. For your information Rasputin13, not enough negative news and info gets out about Bush. If the
truth was told, PATRIOTIC Americans would drag him and his administration from office and put on trial without delay. If you don’t have the balls to
stand up to the lies, you are no Patriot.
I'm sorry, did I stumble onto an elementary school discussion? It's just that I'm used to engaging in logical discussion and debate with people on
here; not engage in pathetic name-calling. Do you always get like this when someone disagrees with you? If so, you may want to avoid DISCUSSION
BOARDS. And to avoid making a complete fool of yourself (even moreso than already), try to at least be accurate in your accusations. Assuming from
just one post of mine that you can accurately diagnose and label my entire personal political philosophy is at best extremely naive, and at worst very
Way to take the high road by also questioning my patriotism. Isn't that what you folks accuse the right wingers of doing? Calling people
"unpatriotic"? I also suppose that using your logic (or lack thereof), anyone who disagrees with a SINGLE accusation in the media made against
President Bush isn't patriotic? They're all "brain-washed right-wing hacks"? I still can't believe that I'm investing this much time and this
much typing trying to have a rational discussion with this guy.
The word Mainstream is word that Republicans and right-wingers LOVE to throw around, trying in vain to make themselves seem normal. When the REAL
mainstream is the Liberal middle-class and poor. This is the majority of the population and the true MAINSTREAM.
Yeah... that's right. Republicans and right-wingers are the only ones who use the term "mainstream". I've seen Democrats talk about mainstream
America as much or more than any Republicans. But who am I to educate someone such as yourself who is able to accurately label someone's beliefs in
a single post?
And YES: FoxNews and ANY other news agency who writes stories supporting this lame administration are cowardly and simple hacks for the pathetic
right-wing power-mongers. Most of the media is controlled by right-wing influences. The so-called left-wing media is the TRUTH. The right-wing calls
it "Liberal Media”. When, in fact, it is the only TRUE media that remains in this police state. Your damn right I support stories that fit my
points of view. My point of View is the TRUTH.
Because it would be so wrong to report any stories that shed a positive light in any way on the Bush Administration, especially if its true! Would
you care to come up with sources for some of these statements you keep regurgitating on us? Such as "most of the media" being controlled by
"right-wing influences"? Something tells me your list of right-wing influences is many times longer than someone who actually spends all their time
investigating and researching the media.
I wasn't aware that any news stories which you agree with and deam credible are automatically the "TRUTH", as you put it. Talk about an incredibly
narrow-minded point of view. "I believe whatever stories support my point of view and agenda, and those stories are the truth." That would mean
that anyone who disagrees with you or questions anything you tell them is believing lies and is a pawn of the right-wing power mongers?
Rasputin13... some things are true, weather YOU believe them or not. Like the lies of this administration, the corruption of our government, and the
emergence of a police state in my beloved homeland of the USA. Thats right... I love my country. But I dont not follow its leaders blindly as you do.
I hope you wake-up to reality soon. I hope you try denying ingnorance for once and stop following like the SHEEP you are! You will be on the wrong
side when the revolution comes.
And some things are true whether you want to believe them or not, also. I don't profess to be the "end-all, be-all" on truth and facts. I like to
think that I listen to as many alternating views and opinions as I can before making a decision on what to believe. For many, it's also something
you find in your gut. You couldn't be more wrong when you assume that I'm a blind sheep of the current government. In fact, I'm no big fan of
President Bush or his decisions as of late. I certainly don't agree with a lot of his decisions made regarding the war and national security. But I
still have respect for his title, and for the man himself, especially in a time of war. But respecting someone and agreeing with someone all of the
time are not the same things.
Do you really think that I come to ATS if I am someone that believes the "official" government story all the time? This site would be pretty boring
to me pretty quick! If you knew anything about my beliefs then you would know that they don't fit any one label. I have personal and political
views that many would call liberal, as well as views that are obviously conservative. When it comes to politics and political beliefs there is not
always a black and a white. Thinking and speaking in absolute and certain terms, like AllSeeingI did, shows a complete lack of understanding of the
American population and what they stand for. And alienating those who may disagree with you or even dare to question your "facts" only undermines
your message. You really need to drop the God complex that has you thinking you are the one who knows what is true and what is false.
And on a more personal note, I do not require that you U2U me a copy of your responses to me in the future. But if you so choose to do so in the
future please have the sense to post a link to the thread you are screaming about, or at least mention the name of it. In case you didn't notice,
there are quite a few different discussions going on right now at ATS!
In all honesty, I do hope that I just happened to catch you on a bad day or in a bad mood. I hope for your sake that this isn't the way you normally
engage in a public discussion with a complete stranger. Because your post really does epitomise the problem with political discussion and even
politics in general, these days. Name-calling, immaturity, arrogance and putting your ego and own intestests before the well-being of the nation is
all too common. And if I may lower myself down to the level that you're debating on, I must tell you that the kind of reaction you displayed to my
original response only furthers the stereotypes involving left-wing radicals and their sanity.
If any good came of this time I've wasted it will be the fact that you so quickly displayed your arrogant views and attitude, as well as your
inability to have a simple and polite discussion or exchange. But who am I to question your beliefs, right? You are, after all, the "human lie
detector" and the final say on all that is called "fact" and all that is declared to be "fiction"! You can forget about U2U'ing me any response
you give. If I care to give your opinions another chance then I will make my way back to this thread. And if you ever hope to actually discuss an
issue on this DISCUSSION BOARD, please check your self-righteousness and your hypocracy at the door. If you want to know someone's views on whatever
issues, please try asking them before declaring them yourself. Because the only TRUTH in all of this is that you are completely clueless when it
comes to anything that I stand for.