Originally posted by allseeingi


Or de-caf coffee for that matter.
No point.

hey.. dont be bringin' coffee into this one.

decaf coffee still has caffiene, just not as much.

non-alcholic beer has close to no alcohol, 0.05%, negligable.

that means enough decaf will still give a caffiene buzz, you'd have to be a 6yr old and drink a 6-pack of non-alcoholic beers to get a buzz, which would give you the #s before anything, IMO.

plus, coffee generally tastes better than beer, and astonishingly, mixes better with sweeteners and flavoring agents such as chocolate, caramel, cream, sugar, etc. confections like sprinkles can be added for effect.

show me a beer with sprinkles and cream, i dare yah.

ill be like

[edit on 6/9/2007 by runetang]

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
It's not a low alcohol beer. It's "Warsteiner", one of my favorite German Beers and very easy to recognize.

George did the same thing last year, got drunk and started feeling up the German Chancellor at the G8.

Well perhaps they all got drunk and had a party to celebrate screwing the poor countries again?

The pic I saw today was terribly normal looking, Blair, German Chancellor and Bush all sitting having a drink. It is not like they were surrounded by empty bottles. Each person had one drink.

I have made a chocolate raspberry Imperial Stout that tipped in at 10% per bottle... ya held it up to the noon day sun and no light would shine though. It gave a great head too.

Some of you people on here really anger me. You take the slightest accusation from the least-reputable of sources and run away with it. "Bush fell off the wagon" or "Bush is drinking along with the meds that we read he takes from another bad source" and yada yada yada. As long as the story fits your agenda, which in this case is hating Bush, then it must be true, right? But when a mainstream US media source reports something pro-Bush then it's "propaganda" or "the right-wing media" spreading lies?

The guy took a few sips of beer. His reps said it was non-alcoholic. Do you think that if Bush was going to drink alcohol again that he would do it in public? Do you think the people around him would even allow such a thing if he was so foolish as to do so? And since when did a few sips of beer make someone violently ill the next morning? You would think that an alcoholic, even after allegedly not drinking for many years, would have a much higher tolerance to beer than a few sips. Secondly, there's no medication that I know of that makes you violently ill from a few sips of beer- aside from medication prescribed to alcoholics that is designed to do just that. And someone who stopped drinking 20 years ago, give or take, wouldn't be on such medication.

I love ATS, but the hypocracy of some of the members here really drives me nuts. A lot of you will accept information from the most unreliable of sources and take it as gospel as long as it goes along with your beliefs. But all of the major media could report a story and none of you will believe it if it contradicts your beliefs.

You'll never see anyone on here that supports Bush posting this kind of stuff. It's only people who already have an agenda against him. Actually, the same goes for most conspiracy theories on here. They are born out of hate. No one ever says "Gee, I really love the CIA, but they killed Kennedy!" or "The Military Industrial Complex is my favorite thing in the world and they are the puppetmasters of every president since the mid-1960's and are responsible for starting every war we've been in!"

The point of this site, in part, is to "Deny Ignorance." I think many of you should start at home.

Plus, to actually touch on the subject here, from an "addict's" point of view, since i smoke cigarettes and pot, and used to be addicted to a specific type of pills, allow me to say that once in a great while isn't so bad.

If Mr. Bush hadn't had a beer in over a year, or say hadnt in the past 6 months, surely drinking one beer one time isn't going to be such a problem. Because if he has the control to go 6 months, or a year, without a drink, then he has the power to keep 1 beer at 1 beer only, or 1 occasion only.

Plus, he was in Germany right? Isn't that like the Beer capital of the World?

I know since I'm putting pot down to allow my body to cleanse itself as I do ever so often, if I dont smoke a peep in 6 months, then just happen to end up in Amsterdam, or Jamaica, or Afghanistan for that matter lol (Hindu Kush Mts), it would be impossible to keep me away from smoking a bit. Especially in Amsterdam where its legal to purchase, and they have some very high quality for sale.

Sure, its overpriced for tourists, and back home there is better stuf occasionally, the key word there is occasionally. If you want it on the spot right that moment, you're going to be paying alot for it, thats how it goes.

But my point is, let the man drink a beer or 4. I mean, he's in mainland Europe! Land of the users of alcohol and marijuana, where there are lax ass drug laws and ppl get away with all kinds of #! The U.K. is bad too, I mean, just look at Pete Doherty from the Libertines. How many times did he need to get arrested in possession of HEROIN AND COCAINE before they'd actually put him in a jailcell for a a day or two? Jeeeeeeez.. its amazing. In the USA, get caught with that once and you may not see the light of day for quite some time, lol. Pete Doherty has to actively TRY to get in jail basicly.. getting caught with # and let go on the spot w/just a ticket citation "be at court" type of deal.. psssh..

I'm incredibly jealous of the laws over there, what can I say.

Originally posted by allseeingi
What is the point in drinking non-alcoholic beer?

Because it tastes good.
Because it's refreshing.
Because it's actually good for you.
Because it's being part of the social scene without standing out by being the only one not with a glass in hand.

Or de-caf coffee for that matter.

Because it tastes good.
Because it's better for you than caffinated coffee.
Because many people (like me) can't have caffine due to heart problems.

Originally posted by infinite
oh, he was alcoholic once right?

Once an alcoholic ... always an alchoholic.
Even a little bit of alcohol can make him ill ... or bring back the full addiction.

Recovering alcoholics are NOT supposed to drink any alcohol at all.

Originally posted by ArMaP
And yes, I think that having an alcoholic president is reason for added concern.

Yes. It is something to be concerned about. We have had alcoholic presidents before - like Grant. Kennedy was addicted to pain killers. But the press and the American people weren't as watchful back then. But it is definately something to be concerned about. Clinton's sex addiction was also something to be concerned about. ANY addiction is.

Originally posted by Rasputin13
Do you think that if Bush was going to drink alcohol again that he would do it in public?

Absolutely not. There is no way the 'handlers' (and Cheney who really runs things) would allow that to happen.

Originally posted by runetang
If Mr. Bush hadn't had a beer in over a year, or say hadnt in the past 6 months, surely drinking one beer one time isn't going to be such a problem. Because if he has the control to go 6 months, or a year, without a drink, then he has the power to keep 1 beer at 1 beer only, or 1 occasion only.

If he is truely an alcoholic, it doesn't work that way. One is the start of many. Maybe not that night but it's on the way. It's either all or none. There is the chance that he is not an alcoholic but he just used to drink too much.

OK, I have no love for the Shrub, as many of you know. It was only a beer. I can buy that. He had a problem with drinking once before, but having a beer here and there does not mean he's turned into a raging drunk. I agree and endorse all of the above.

But there's one small point being ignored (willful ignorance) by his defenders here. Bush said over and over, during his run for the White House and later, that he used to drink but quit. Ex-drinker.

This is just one more case of how he holds to the truth. This is how those who are leading this nation say one thing and then do another. The truth means NOTHING to these people.

Clinton said,"I did NOT have sex with that woman." We know he lied, and then his excuse was that it wasn't sex because it was oral. Bush does not drink any more. His excuse(rs) - "It's not real beer".

Bullpucky, He's a liar, and if you excuse him on it you're just as much of one as he is. One B J or one 'near beer', it's a lie.

You think Bush drinking a beer is bad? I heard somebody has a photo of Ted Kennedy driving a car again!

I don't see the problem in drinking a few beers, high class bussnines men usualy drnink a glass of wiskey when meeting and dealing bussnines.
Also beer is considered a nutrient rather than an alcoholic drink in many parts of the world esepcialy germany.
To be an anlcoholic takes more than a glass or 1 or 2 beers a day.
In many parts of the world people are allowed to drink 1 or 2 beers and then drive.




[edit on 9-6-2007 by pepsi78]

I am not a fan of GW, but he has a right to slam a beer, whiskey, or whatever. Just don't pose as a holy roller to impress the born agains. A lot of the bashing in the post is not over his actions, but the hypocrisy that he tries to portray himself as a born again tea toddler!

I am sorry I have to point out the emperor's new clothes!

For all of his faults i personally get the feeling old GW would be one of the most hilarious people to go out drinking with. I bet he has some good party tricks and would be one of those older dudes checking out the pretty blondes half his age.

[edit on 9-6-2007 by SR]

How dare he drink a beer!!!!!

The sheer audacity of that alleged alcoholic...

It just makes sense that him living under all the unsubstantiated rumors of his alcoholism, he would NEVER and I mean NEVER allow himself to act like a person...

I mean hey... All of you know he is an alcoholic right? You have all been to AA meetings with him, correct? You have at least spoken with him about his addiction, haven't you?

What a complete loser he must be to drink a beer!!!!!

Great news find..



Semper

Semper, it's not the beer. He said he didn't drink any more, back when he ran for the job. He said he used to, but quit.

Hell, I drink beer. But I don't lie about it, just to get a job.

I don't fault anyone for much of anything like that; smoke, drink, cuss, chase women, look for UFOs, that's your business. But being a liar makes it hard to trust them on anything.

I understand that, BUT

I tell everyone I don't drink...

And I don't

I will have a beer after cutting the grass, or when I am out grilling...

In my mind, and most of my "hang out" buddies, drinking a beer is NOT "drinking."
When I was drinking I would get drunk, and Southern Comfort was my poison.

I have no problem with him drinking and have personally never heard him say that he would never drink a beer.. Perhaps he did, I just never heard it.

But all of this is moot as I am not constantly trying to crucify him, claim he is a reptile or out to be a dictator....


Semper

I don't really care either way. Having one beer is far from going back to being an alcoholic. But, it's clear he's drinking something else than the others, so I find it highly probable that he is indeed drinking ultra low alcohol beer.

Did he have one beer or was he seen drinking a few? Cause if he only had one, what type of alcholic gets a hangover from one beer?

Could someone put an end to the question of what type of beer it was, and enlarge and enhance the picture of the label? I don't have any programs to do this myself, but would like to know exactly what it was.