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reply posted on 17-7-2007 @ 01:30 PM by Hagbard Celine


You're welcome, mate. I've finished it now. I've given it to a friend of mine at my Spiritualist church.

I enjoyed it all, but the last few chapters are probably the best. There's one bit where you talk about the church and ask, in words to the effect of: "You'd think that the church would be right behind the Phantom or Fraud project because it could prove that there is life-after-death which is exactly what they want us to believe in. Why are they so discouraging?"

The answer is that the church doesn't want proof of life-after-death. This is because the truth is that there is no such place as heaven and hell, no judgemental God who'll smite you for all eternity if you commit a sin: not paying the priest for instance. Everyone's has a soul and that soul survives death. The churches power comes from doubt, not proof. They want people to doubt that they can achive eternal life because they're sinners. Seeing as the priests can forgive sin then the priests hold the keys to heaven. This gives them enormous power. Power automatically attracts wealth and the church is so wealthy that it can roof the buildings of the Vatican with gold! Ross, what you seek will rob the churches of their stranglehold on us. I say "good on ya!", but the Pope will not put your name on his birthday card list!



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reply posted on 17-7-2007 @ 01:34 PM by Hagbard Celine


Come to think of it, it's not only the church which has a vested interest in there being no proof of life-after-death. If L-A-D were proved to be true then it would cause a paradigm shift that would blow the whole of our society wide open and cause a revolution in every aspect of the human world.

I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.



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reply posted on 17-7-2007 @ 07:21 PM by Allah the moon god


Very interesting thinking.

What would happen to those prisoners of religions and belief, if it were proven that the afterlife existed and was for all, regardless of whether or not you follow the rules of any religious belief system or not?

Organised belief and religion has always been about power imho. Whether it be Boris Johnsons, head hunting priests in Papua New Guinea, Druids, abrahamic doctrine or whatever the latest crackpot new age "belief" is.

Most seem to control the ignorant with protected "priests eyes only" knowledge. Blind faith and belief that someone else has the answers and "must know what they're doing" is why people walked towards machine guns in WW1, fly aircraft into skyscrapers and believe that England will win the world cup!!

I have thought for sometime that there is more than this ruddy awful world. I have commented a few times, smugly, with some amusement that regardless of how you live, you get the same level of afterlife. So a person that spent their hedonistic life indulging in drugs, smoking, drinking and shagging Olympic style for their country gets to go to the same place as a Monk who never drank, smoked or had sex

I get an amusing vision of what Ghandis face was like when he got to the other side and saw in a bar Hitler, Caligula, Vlad The Impaler being serviced by the greatest whores of history, while in a drug infused ecstasy. "Bugger, I wasted my life!!"

I bet Jesus was pissed off too, when he saw the Roman that speared his side, large as life at the bar saying "A pint of heavy....and whatever the messiah is having!!!"

Humanity, or some of it, is reckless enough now with the one life they know they got. Who knows what the hell they would be like if they knew they had another?



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reply posted on 18-7-2007 @ 03:38 PM by nomadrush


I'm glad the book has stimulated this discussion because I feel it is time that the church got that long-overdue kick up the ass!

Now don't get me wrong, I DO believe in God, I think we are far too complicated to have just "evolved", but I believe we can have spirituality and a closeness to that "God" without having to attend a building with a pointed roof and be tied into some form of religious contract.

For me, God is that omni-present consciousness we all tap into every single day and is a part of us as we are of it. The more we learn about our "sub-conscious" the more we begin to understand.

OK I guess i've now just earned myself a Fatwah! lol

Ross



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