Originally posted by Daedalus3
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There are very few primary air-superiority platforms I can think of that come in only two-seater variants. Only one off the top of my head is the F-14, but that's more interceptor-ish than I think PAK-FA is intended for. All the Flanker and Fulcrum series have 1-seater variants, if you want to replace those then you might try a single-seater given that it will be what the pilots are used to.

But a trainer is not all of it right? It got me thinking.. does the F-22 have a two seater trainer? Interesting question for me since I never bothered to think about it.

It is my personal suspicion, and I can't back this up for sure with sources, that the Lockheed-Martin was well-aware that F-22 was not going to get bought in large quantities. Nothing near the amounts of the F-15, anyway. With this in mind it made more sense to do a single variant, a single-seater, to fulfill the needs of the Air Force. A double-seater would only have incurred more development costs, taken longer to field, and still would have been bought in very low numbers. This doesn't make much business sense, and it didn't appear to be a requisite of the replacement anyway. Ergo the two-seater version wasn't realized. Simulators and whatnot can give you a good feel for where the stuff in the cockpit is, and if you have a reasonable estimate of how to handle the aircraft you can probably do a few cautious solos.

And so why doesn't the F-22 have a 2 seat version? Or better yet.. why isn't the F-22 2 seat? Is it purely to reduce the lifted payload that is replaced by computing power?

See above for my own suspicion on the subject. Again, I have no documents or sources to really back it up, but it just keeps going around inside my brain.

and so why wasn't it a part of the original program with or w/o the Indians?

Given how little information has come out about the design involved in the project, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was and we just hadn't heard about it. Alternatively, they may have wanted to get the single-seater up and running before starting serious work on the double-seater. Again, I don't really know for sure.

What I understood why there is no twin-seat F-22 was simple: many jobs could be given to computer that equiped on F-22.
Concerning to quantities of the F-22's, I think US has been aware sth from recent crisis at Caucaso.

The F-22 is like the A-10. They only built one seaters for both. They use simulators for all the training in them. Your first flight is your solo flight. The simulators are so realistic that they don't need a two seat version for training.

Originally posted by emile
What I understood why there is no twin-seat F-22 was simple: many jobs could be given to computer that equiped on F-22.
Concerning to quantities of the F-22's, I think US has been aware sth from recent crisis at Caucaso.

Off topic maybe.. but from reports I've heard/read, the Russians have lost ~100 troops in the Georgia invasion?
Isn't that too many for this kind of overwhelming force superiority?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
The F-22 is like the A-10. They only built one seaters for both. They use simulators for all the training in them. Your first flight is your solo flight. The simulators are so realistic that they don't need a two seat version for training.

Well.. I can imagine why the A-10 one seat configuration would do very well for the roles the A-10 was designed for.
In the case of a F-22 Raptor?

Awesome catch, C0bzz.

No probs...

LOL.

It was truely Emile who uploaded it, just the link was broken. Thanks Emile.


And for #s & giggles... I'd really appreciate it if anyone could PM me accurate values for weights / thrust ratings for fighters.

[edit on 27/8/2008 by C0bzz]

The FSWed F-22 made me headache. It looks much detailed than any other layouts we have seen up to now, but why it's seemed like Russ was zealous FSW so much just forgot that Su-47 did nothing better than X-29???

BTW, I don't know that only Code was needed for inserting video.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by emile]

Pause at the right time of the video this comes up:


*Cropped, contrast enhanced / resized.

Enhanced by me:


It & S-37 side by side.



Where do you get these pictures & videos from Emile?



[edit on 30/8/2008 by C0bzz]

Double post. :S

[edit on 30/8/2008 by C0bzz]