Due to member demand, the 9/11 forum is now under close staff scrutiny., page 3
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reply posted on 8-6-2007 @ 02:35 AM by twitchy
"The opening posts of all "TV Fakery" threads will be modified to direct users to this thread."
Isn't this the usual policy regarding recent repeat subjects on ATS?
Why single this particular subject/member out?
What's the big bru ha ha?
I've read the threads and while I'm not defending the multiple postings (which were indeed excessive) or the language used, I do however hope the same logic is to be applied to some of the Extremely rude replies garnered by these threads by many of our resident skeptics here. Some of the members replying to these threads have gone beyond skeptical right on to beligerant.
Personally I believe there was indeed some fakery in the coverage of 9-11 and I applaud the efforts to bring them to our attention, but calling the fellow trollish and throwing in the 'handful of supporting characters' bit, well that just sounds kind of Censoresque to me there staff.
Remember the Titor threads? How many of those things were allowed? Take some points, make some post bans, close the extra threads and redirect them, but I really don't understand why is this particular subject is being treated different than any other.

On a somewhat related side note, I've seen some really rude crap being spewed and apparently allowed lately, mostly from what I would consider debunkers, or skeptics. Yeah we might be nut job conspiracy theorists, but if you came all the way here just to tell us that, then you might just have some problems of your own.


reply posted on 8-6-2007 @ 03:00 AM by Fett Pinkus
While we are at it here my post from another thread on Hoaxes:


Unfortunately, all too often, the purveyors of the theories causing the most schismatic discussion also tend to push the boundaries of our Terms & Conditions, often to the breaking point.



Why is it that Jack Tripper is allowed to spam his dvd that he is peddling on the internet and also gets his whole own forum as well?


Clearly it's all too complex for your simple mind so I will explain it to you yet again.



You have basically put on a show for everyone that perfectly demonstrates your naive and simplistic mindset.



Just THINK about what a slimebag you truly are for THAT being your contribution to 9/11 truth.



You do realize what a repugnant tool that makes you if our information is valid don't you?



Well guess what? As long as you keep up that illogical, uninformed, badly written, off-base, ignorant, transparent, deceptive, out of control hit-piece on us you have exposed yourself as an attention starved irrelevant traitor who has the blood of countless 10's of thousands on his hands.



Source

And someone like that has his own forum to peddle a Dvd? Using ATS to make money? Against the T+C isnt it? Or are some people more equal then others?

This may be a post about hoaxes but after reading the OP post i think this close scrutiney should apply to Jack Trippers forum as well. Ive read somewhere that Jack Tripper mentioned the word shill (as stated in the OP Post) against someone else and apart from that his group also seems to be ganging up on people when obvious flaws in there DVD are specifically mentioned.

Again if nothing is done about this then it begs the question :

Or are some people more equal then others?


reply posted on 8-6-2007 @ 03:01 AM by Majic
All Opinions On 9/11 Are Welcome

This is not a new policy, but a reminder that all discussions on ATS are subject to the same rules, including discussions of 9/11.

Every member has already agreed to post honestly, refrain from abusive behavior and cooperate with the staff.

Having strong opinions about 9/11, regardless of what they may be, is not disruptive and sharing those opinions in a civil manner was, is and forever shall be welcome here.

Claims or insinuations to the contrary are false.

On the other hand, tactics such as spamming, baiting, name-calling, derailing threads with off-topic nonsense and refusing to cooperate with the moderators are not welcome.

Why? Because that's how logical discussion of 9/11 is shut down.

Those who use such tactics should take notice and consider a more appropriate way to express themselves.

Those who share their opinions in a courteous manner while staying on topic don't need to change a thing and are welcome to ignore this thread altogether.

We are not asking anyone to change their opinions on 9/11.

We just ask that these opinions be expressed in accordance with our terms & conditions.

To everyone who has already been doing this, please accept my heartfelt thanks, because by doing so you are truly acting to Deny Ignorance.







P.S. All T&C violations are actionable, regardless of what forum they may occur in. If you should see a violation and are concerned that the staff hasn't acted on it yet, please be sure to submit a Complaint/Suggestion. We get a lot of these, so we can't promise a response to every one of them, but we do review all of them and take action if we deem it necessary.



reply posted on 8-6-2007 @ 05:03 AM by Il Papa
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Actually, the 9/11 forum has been falling in popularity for some time.

If you look at our
stats (down the page), you'll notice that 9/11 conspiracies is our 9th most popular forum... with Paranormal being 7th.

Also, according to our survey of over 21,000 people, only 4% picked 9/11 conspiracies as their favorite topic, and it ranked third among least-favorite topics.


Could that be because its the boring same ol', same ol'.

Enough time has passed now and I believe that the story has got as far as it can. Sure a few new recruits for or against the 911 CT will occur but generally I feel its played out.

People have their own perception / belief of what happened. There is polarisation but it isn't balanced. The majority of the worlds population do not believe in any of the 911 CT's (indeed they may not have heard of them). The same majority don't visit ATS, so anyone posting here thinking they will change world opinion is delusional.

Just because ideas that would have you ostracized or locked up in the real world, can be discussed here doesn't mean that those ideas own the truth.

Originally posted by AboveTopSecret.com
And calling ATS members who disagree with their position "shills" lacks the required decorum.


Name calling isn't just down to them...the 911 CT'ers have been insulting people by calling none believers "sheeple" for ages and this seems acceptable by ATS. Insulting people will not make a theory, a story or a fairy tale the truth. It just reinforces the belief that CTer's are people obsessed to a point of almost cult like obedience.

Personally in my short time here at ATS I feel that the 911 CT('s) have more protection here than none CTer's. That may be just a feeling.

Originally posted by AboveTopSecret.com
And before we hear potential complaints of an uneven approach to moderation, YES, long-standing members will indeed be favored over the new participants who have shown no respect.




This I feel is another problem here at ATS. The older members have ownership of the right to be right. Challenge the status quo of a forum, try to rock the safe little boat at your peril. I remember a while back a post saying that all 911 CT deniers should be banned and account locked. I felt then that one should be wary of what you say, don't cross the hallowed CT ground.

Is that really an open forum, if a member can post such a thing and not be banned themselves? Although I suppose that some would say that not to be able to say it could be considered censorship. But is that the mindset of the "oldies"? Without new membership ATS will die. New members do feel like they want to have a voice here but without being called sheeple or being treated like a third class member.

My time here has me believe that there is an elitism at ATS, some members do get preferential treatment. You guys and girls on the inside have difficulty seeing things from the outside. I do have friends that I showed ATS to, who gave up because of the protectionist attitude in some forums. Other things like the fact that a one line question is usually followed by a page long response full of graphics, video and opinion. They query one or two lines of the respondent text and get the come back "sheeple" or a dodgy link to a website. We don't all have time to sit down and research everything. A few indisputable facts is all they need. If those facts exist I am sure someone would have been prosecuted by now though. 911 CTer's are their own worse enemy, they are alienating more people than they are converting.

Guys and girls, ATS is just a talking shop, it won't change the world. But I suppose if you are delusional enough to believe that it will then you are in the right place.
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