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reply posted on 7-6-2007 @ 02:33 PM by Aldo Marquis
10. “I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the Pentagon.”[127]

[127]Susan Carroll


Really?

She was on the Reagan Metro platform.

Please explain how she saw the plane hit:

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Then you have Allen Cleveland and Meseidy Rodriguez as witnesses who were on a train, just pulling onto the reagan platform with their back to the Pentagon.

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Yet here is what "Arabesque" states as their account:

Allen Cleveland: “He saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA.”[57]

Meseidy Rodriguez: “[it was] flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd.”[86]


The same account for both. Yet that statement is attributed to Cleveland referring to what his brother-in-law claims he saw.

Yet Arabesque not only attributes it to Cleveland, but to Rodriguez as well.

None of these three could see the impact, let alone the Pentagon.

You just lost 3.

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reply posted on 7-6-2007 @ 02:40 PM by Aldo Marquis
58. “[the plane flew] fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon.”[175]

[175] Henry Ticknor


Ironically, the ariticle is called "He Who Steals My Good Name"...

Henry Ticknor

"Recently I went on-line and did a search on my name. Not too many surprises, lots of sermons, a couple of newspaper items about my days with the Fairfax County Public Schools, a few references to my name in the Winchester Star. But the most interesting was a 9-11 conspiracy theory site that quoted me as an eyewitness to the attack on the Pentagon. Comments, attributed to me, but printed without my knowledge or permission were used to support the notion that it may not have been a plane that struck the Pentagon, but rather a missile. The web page says, "This is the only witness statement that seems to have caught the white smoke which would agree with a missile being fired. Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and truck the Pentagon. "There was a puff of white smoke and then a billowing black cloud."

Where did that come from? No idea, unless it was lifted from a UU World Magazine article for which I was interviewed at some length as an eyewitness. You see on the morning of September 11, I was driving down Rt. 50 on my way to work at the Arlington UU Church when I saw a plane dive below the tree line and an immediate explosion. I did tell the World Magazine about the smoke; I never said the plane came in fast and low over my car, as I was five miles from the point of impact. Where is my right to privacy?"

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You just lost another one. (Note he said dive also)


reply posted on 7-6-2007 @ 02:48 PM by Aldo Marquis
“[the [plane flew] over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building.” [27]

[27] Tom Hovis


Gentlemen,

On this day of prayer I went to the Pentagon and prayed for those Americans that died at the hands of those evil monsters.

My office is 8 miles from the site. The recovery teams working 18 hour shifts are just now getting to the body of the aircraft that went right through the outer ring at full power according to eyewitnesses.. Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time.


As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me. Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircraft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage. They are just now getting to the passengers today. The nose wheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring. Right now it is estimated that it will take two years to repair the damage. Ironically, the area had just been remodeled with most of the area was still blocked off and some offices were empty.

[...]

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Note that he places the plane over the capitol also. Which is in DIRECT contradiction to the NTSB flight path, but curiously arab did not cite this.

Tom Hovis is NOT a witness AT ALL. You just lost another one.



reply posted on 7-6-2007 @ 03:46 PM by Aldo Marquis
“It was no more than 30 feet off the ground.” [58]

[58] Dan Creed


"He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.

There is only one place he could be stopped in a car near the Navy Annex.

Right here:

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But his view is obstructed by the treeline on Columbia Pike.

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Most improtatntly his account does not make mention of even seeing an impact-just the plane, nor does it state which side of the annex /Citgo the plane was on, because Arab never contacted him to confirm it.

In fact, Isabel James who he also cites as a witness to the impact was on the same part of Columbia Pike.

“[It went] inside the side of the Pentagon. Obviously, it was going in the Pentagon purposefully. I told my husband ‘he’s going into the Pentagon.’ We heard the direct hit—huge crash, saw this fireball, flame and smoke.” Reporter: ‘so you actually saw the plane impact the side of the building?’ [Isabel:] “Yes I did.”

[195] Isabel James




She also said she was on Columbia Pike. The reporter also asked her if she only saw 1 plane.(Exactly our point about the flyover plane confusing reporters/people, being called a second plane). She reinforces "So you actually saw the plane enter the building?" Why is that? Because the reporter is confused by people who said it did not hit the building.

Most importantly, the reporter asked if she saw any markings. She says...

"we were driving down Columbia Pike and it just shrew right over us... I didn't see any markings...the trees...the treeline (blocked our view).

Here is the bend on Columbia Pike to the left, with the treeline:

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Here is the rest of the treeline:

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Clearly she is speaking figuratively, and didn't clearly understand why the reporter was asking if she "actually saw it enter the building". She saw a plane, saw the explosion through trees and DEDUCED that it hit. And said "Why yes , I saw the plane hit the building".

You just lost two.

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