It is probably being moved to or near Sandia, an underground facility built on the northern edge of the Pahute Mesa. Sandia was built between 1980 and 1987 and has been operational for about 20 years.

It is a huge underground complex and there are 5 (probably more) separate underground facilities built about a mile deep. The original 'holes' were blasted with a 'clean' nuke. A descending tunnel was then built so that construction material and supplies could be driven down a descending circular roadway built around each shaft.

It was my understanding that each of the 5 facilities could hold 15,000 combat troops (can't remember exact number, and 1500 (can't remember exact number) officers.

These underground facilities were started in 1986 or 1987. I don't know when they were completed. I suspect that all of this ties in with the proposed move of the Cheyenne Mountain facility. The Nellis Range/Nevada Test Site would be a very secure location.

Originally posted by johnlear
It is probably being moved to or near Sandia, an underground facility built on the northern edge of the Pahute Mesa. Sandia was built between 1980 and 1987 and has been operational for about 20 years.

Interesting yes I agree, if the goal is to move "somewhere else" and wanted to keep that location secure (secret), a cover story with all the bells and whistles would be created. But if thats the case, why werent the others clued in on the thing...Watch the video, it has the base commander interviewed, he seems all gung ho for the move...

Originally posted by johnlear
It is probably being moved to or near Sandia, an underground facility built on the northern edge of the Pahute Mesa. Sandia was built between 1980 and 1987 and has been operational for about 20 years.

Uh-huh. and of course you have some proof that this Sandia place exists right.... Oh wait. You dont need it. Your John Lear.

The shut-down of Cheyenne Mountain isn't new. I remember posting something about the closure a few months back on a thread about what was down there. While there might be a Deep, Dark Secret behind the closure, I can also think of several reasons that aren't conspiratorial at all.

One is age...it's not a new facility, and it probably shows it. Even if you can update the computers and other hardware (and I'm pretty sure that they have ), the complex itself is going to start showing its age sooner or later...upkeep costs will skyrocket (and they aren't low to start with), and space will be running low...we wouldn't want to accidentally launch a nuclear strike because somebody put their coffee mug on The Button, would we?

There's also the vulnerability problem. While Cheyenne Mountain was very well protected against the nuclear weapons of fifty years ago, increasing accuracy means that it's now vulnerable to a multi-warhead shot...as is just about anything else that you care to take such a shot at. If you're going to be vulnerable anyway, why *not* go to a 'less secure' facility that's more flexible, more modern, and less expensive. I'm not saying that they should set up shop on a card table in the local park, but being a mile or so underground might not be worth the effort any more.

Or, of course, there could be something going on...

Cheyenne mountain makes a nice cozy replacement for the White House.
wink wink

Makes it also real suspicious that the CIA and NSA are also moving to Colorado.

If anything happens to DC, they've got to go somewhere....

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist

Uh-huh. and of course you have some proof that this Sandia place exists right.... Oh wait. You dont need it. Your John Lear.

Thanks for the post CT, its always nice to hear from you. When you have time please check out my thread "Sandia Base: Does It Really Exist?"

If you have any questions I would be delighted to answer them. Thanks again for the post.

OK, maybe it's just me, but this seems like too much info. It's late at night for me, and maybe my brain is buzzed, but it seems strange that one of the most secret units in America would just freely hand out all this info.

I was stationed at Ft. Carson at one time, and I can tell you that they took security, in every form, real serious at 'The Hole". And now they're just going to walk away? Not only that, they're telling the world where they are going to next? Can you spell disinfo?

And they are not worried about update costs. Those people spend money like they print it. And they were not in danger of much in the 60s, and they still aren't. They have 'blast doors' that would stagger your imagination. Hell, the best we can put out can't dislodge Osama in Afghanistan, so who has the power to get into this place?

Somebody is not telling the whole story here.

Cheyenne Mountain isn't that secret. You used to be able to walk up and take a tour of the place. They had scheduled public tours just about every day, several times a day.

Ok the command center moves to Peterson AFB. The Missile warning mission moves to Schriever. The Space control center moves to Vandenburg.
The estimated financial reports were analyzed and studies were conducted by Sandia N.L. , NORAD, USNORTHCOM, Lockheed Martin, USSTRATACOM, and Air force space command.
In determining security implications of relocation of all 'functions', risk assessment all of the above including the Joint Staff.
There has been no assessment of the operational affects to date.
The findings were of no benefit financially as first reported. And the tremendous amounts required for the move will be astronomical.
This move will begin June 2007-December 2007.
According to the documents listed below in the link provided it appears there will be at least 24 months of vulnerability as the new locations are completed for security of all functions. This includes completed electromagnetic pulse hardening requirements.

Here is a link to the report by the GOA-
Be sure and read bottom of page 3. Also most interesting is the conclusions given on page 9.

I think you forgot your link.

Zaphod, you are so right. Guided tours. And you never saw a tenth of the place. You can get schoolboy tours of the FBI offices too. Or the Pentagon.

That's not everything, or near everything.

And since we're just talking about a 'bat cave' anyway, why would it be harder to upgrade to the 21st century than some place you build somewhere else?

But what better way to draw eyes away from it than to 'move' and just leave a skeleton crew behind?

Because one of the things they would have to replace is the super computer running the facility. That would entail them shutting the place down while the old system is removed, and the new one installed. Including all the networking cable upgrades, and everything for it.

Z, I can't provide the evidence, and so your logic could be right. But, the people I knew back then assured me that there was enough room down there to put half of Ft. Carson in. And they wouldn't have enough room to build a whole new system and run the needed cables?

Even the public info back then had this place as huge. It was so big that they had roads in there, and rode from place to place on golf carts because it was to far to walk.

Does that sound like a place that doesn't have enough room to upgrade hardware?

I don't know the answers to what is going on with all of this, but I can still smell the scent of B.S. in the morning air.

I know they have the room to upgrade hardware, but unless they wanted to build new cable pathways through the mountain, then the easiest way to upgrade is to use the existing cable runs.

Z, what I'm trying to say is that they have all the room they need to do any damn upgrade they want right there. Unless you've been there, and taken their little tour,you have no real idea how huge this place is. And then when you realize, from their own sources, that a greater part of it is not disclosed to the public for security reasons, it becomes downright strange that they couldn't rebuild in place.

Just what I saw, on a public tour way back when, there is enough room in that place to put a small city. Now how many cities get moved to a new location because it is too hard to upgrade them to the 21st century? We're not talking a few old buildings on a decrepit base here; we're talking about a place as big as some Eastern US counties, on several levels. And the whole thing more secure than Ft. Knox.

You consider that, and then tell me what is a rational reason for all of this?

Me, I'm off to bed.

No I think it's more of a re-alignment of organizations, which ones in which places. Move NORAD out, put the continuity stuff in Colorado, and NORAD goes elsewhere. Perhaps its a reorg, splitting off part of the Space command into two separate groups, one foreign concerns, one domestic concerns, kind of like the FBI and the CIA.